BestWestern From Ireland, joined Sep 2000, 6431 posts, RR: 58 Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1380 times:
BD still cant get the concept of a common product to avoid confusion. They have now started playing with their regional product and introduced confusion. I feel sorry for the staff. Introduction date is today, different to the mainline date of August. Confusion reigns at BD - at least something remains the same.
Leeds Bradford - Cork Only
The business cabin/service is being removed from this route and will be replaced by a single economy cabin with a pay bar.
Edinburgh - Stornoway only
This route will continue with a business cabin product, however the economy service will now include a pay bar.
all other routes
Route will continue with a business cabin product, and a free bar / food in economy.
BestWestern From Ireland, joined Sep 2000, 6431 posts, RR: 58 Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1328 times:
Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 2): There is no point flying empty chairs or uneaten food on poor yeilding routes. But some others need that service bump.
If you fly BD you might know that they load business food according to number of passengers aboard, with no room for error. On my last BD business class flight they had no meal for me as I switched from an earlier flight. (only three passengers in business).
The marginal cost of a short haul business cabin is tiny. Its the fixed cost support that goes with it. BD will still have Business class from LBA, but only to Scotland. Wheres the cost savings compard to the (potential) drop in yield from eliminating the business cabin?
I argue that All BD short haul business should go on all routes.
Flighttime From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 65 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1304 times:
Quoting Orion737 (Reply 3): I dont see why a route like LBA-EDI is deserving of free drinks while LHR-BRU or LHR-EDI is pay bar/no food. Its nonsensical.
Maybe it's more to do with time constraints. Would you be able to serve all pax on a short domestic sector adding the extra time of having to charge for each transaction? Isn't this why IB, I think it was, stopped charging for f and b on shorter sectors?
Orion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1273 times:
On the ERJ145 they have 2 cabin staff!!! I fly Embraers from LBA fairly often and there has always been 2 members of staff for the at most 49 pax. Compare this with WW with 3 cabin staff on a fully loaded 737!
7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 43 Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1256 times:
Quoting BestWestern (Reply 8): Interestingly BD are still selling C class on ORK LBA.... what muppets.
BD 472 C4 D0 Y9 S6 H. Q. V. W. ORKLBA 1635 1745 ER3
They are, and will continue to sell the C inventory, AFAIK, in the same vain as BA sell J. It is so they can identify pax entitled to the lounges etc, and for through ticketing (not that their is much of this from LBA or EDI !)
Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
1 cabin crew member, and free glass of water for what is a 160 mile flight, with a airborne time of 33 minutes this morning. Those with status can raid the cookies and G&T at either end. (33 mins airborne = about 15mins to serve cabin)
FlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 1965 posts, RR: 3 Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1222 times:
I think some people have missed the point of the original post, i.e. that BD will not be offering a consistent product for its brand. It's all very well to say they're tailoring service to the route, but you should expect a consistent service level for what is offered. I'd imagine BA franchise carrier Loganair will be hoping to pick up some BD passengers on the EDI-SYY route now.
What is it with maintaining business class from LBA anyway? Are BD carrying a lot of Morrison's people to and from their Head Office in Bradford? The two companies could be made for each other!
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10189 posts, RR: 62 Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1154 times:
IMO, bmi has made a big mistake by differentiating their product, their service and their brand to the point that you may not know which you fly depending on the city you are flying to. bmi should standardize their entire shorthaul product on an all-Y, extra-legroom, middle way between Y and J, and use superior service and competitive pricing to combat BA at LHR in particular, but also in MAN, EMA, etc.
7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 43 Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1145 times:
I was at MAN yesterday, and noticed that BMI now have another hybrid scheme on one of their ERJs. It is in the old Blue, Grey and Red livery, with BMI written in LIGHT BLUE on the fuselage and the tail.
Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
JGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1134 times:
Time for Sir Michael to spin the Wheel of Random Service again ! What'll it be next week ?
- All Y on RUH routes, but free drinks for high-tier Frequent Flyers only ?
- Upgrade all ERJ's to full 3 cabin Business, Eco Extra and Economy with 2 crew per cabin, and free caviare and smoked salmon but only on INV-SYY ?
- C cabin on CAX-NWI but only on alternate Wednesdays unless the Moon is in Aries, in which case it will be 2 cabin service but no sandwiches.
Get a grip BD - it's only a few crap sandwiches and a g&t each - either give it or don't give it, would a decision either way be too much like work ?
Skymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1107 times:
Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 21): Time for Sir Michael to spin the Wheel of Random Service again ! What'll it be next week ?
According to the gossip, the next change will be paid access to the business lounges to be made available to the proles those travelling in pleb class (still free / included for full fare punters and those with Diamond Club and/or Star Gold cards). So instead of a quiet santuary for business travellers, the lounges will probably become opportunities for the chavs to get tanked up on "free" booze before they go off on their cheap "tiny fare" weekends away.
JGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1085 times:
Quoting Skymonster (Reply 22): the next change will be paid access to the business lounges to be made available to the proles those travelling in pleb class
Euwww - like those "First Class lounge" vouchers you can buy on your First Choice Holiday GBP99.00 special to Ibeefa, that get you into the Gatwick Handling "Edna Everage Suite" at LGW for free curly egg 'n cress sandwiches , a can of Vimto and a 3 week old copy of "OK!" magazine. How tacky.