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European Charter Airlines- Whatever Happened To...  
User currently offlineAirEuropeUK733 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 976 posts, RR: 11
Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10650 times:

Being a child of the 80's I always look upon this decade as the best for charter airlines. Many of them in number, lots of different liveries, lots of different equipment. Listed below are the airlines I remember and what became of them. Help with the blanks or others I have forgotten would be gratefully received:

Orion Airways - merged into Britannia when Thomson bought out Horizon

Dan-Air London - suffered huge losses and debt - bought by BA for £1

Air Europe (UK) - Ahh my baby!! Parent company went bust taking AE with it

Air Europa - still around!

Hispania???

Aviaco???

Spantax????

Universair??

BIA - name bought from the then Air UK - went bust?

Cal Air International - became Novair then ceased trading

Paramount Airlines??

Air UK Leisure - became Leisure International - then ???

Airworld???

Air 2000 - became First Choice Airways

Aviogenex - still around?

Monarch Airlines - still around

Britannia Airways - who know what they call themselves this week?!!

Excalibur????

British Airtours - became Caledonian then merged with Flying Colous to JMC, then to Thomas Cook Airlines

More...............

I'm sure the likes of Orion737 and BCAL could help me our here.

Thanks

AE733


It's nice to fly with firends
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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10611 times:

Oh my favourite topic! The ones on your list I know about:

Excalibur - ditched their 320s and was bought by Globespan the long haul tour operator. EXC purchased a DC10 which suffered from highly publicised mechanical problems causing long delays for passengers. It then sank without a trace.

Airworld - was set up by Sunworld holidays to fly its customers to the usual package destinations. Dont know what happened?

Paramount - went bust/ceased trading. Shame loved them MD83s

Dont forget these little beauties: Ambassador, Inter European, AmberAir, Airways Int Cymru, All Leisure, Air UK Leisure and Peach Air.

What a lot of colourful variety of airlines we had in the UK charter sector. Much different now!


User currently offlineAirEuropeUK733 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 976 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10599 times:

What about Air Europe SpA - didn't this get tied up with Volare?

AE733



It's nice to fly with firends
User currently offlineLeej From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10586 times:

Another 'odd' operator was TBG - I suppose although they were on the Irish register we should include them as they did a lot of capacity flying here in the UK. I had the pleasure of taking my one and only L1011 trip with them - great bird!
Air Europe - my all time favourite too - many many trips, including their first into FNC back in '79

Hey AirEuropeUK733 - you in Chichester too?


User currently offlineAirEuropeUK733 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 976 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10554 times:

Leej

Yep - contact me through intant messenger and we'll chat about how great (not!) the city is!

AE733



It's nice to fly with firends
User currently offlineFLYtoEGCC From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 947 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10526 times:

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 1):
Airworld - was set up by Sunworld holidays to fly its customers to the usual package destinations. Dont know what happened?

Airworld's parent company Sunworld was bought out by Thomas Cook shortly after it became JMC. Their A320s (registered in the G-BXK*) range then flew for JMC alongside the ex-Caledonian ones.



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User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10506 times:

Quoting AirEuropeUK733 (Thread starter):
I'm sure the likes of Orion737 and BCAL could help me our here.

From BCal's memory:

  • I believe that Iberia acquired Aviaco and brought in their operations under the IB umbrella
  • Spantax I recall went bust but were also under investigation for breaches of regulations and safety issues
  • BIA like other names in British aviation folded (about 1986/88 I think) but the name was not brought from Air UK. It was a separate company but possibly established by former AirUK directors.
  • CalAir was jointly owned by British Caledonian and The Rank Organisation. BA took over British Caledonian and Caledonian became the name of the BA charter subsidiary. Cal Air was surplus to their requirements so they sold it to Rank who was left on their own and renamed the airline Nov Air. After a short period Rank pulled out from tour operations and the airline was wound up.
  • Monarch are still around and going strong, although their principal activity is fast becoming that of a LCC. In fact, they are now the longest established UK charter airline still operating under the same name and owned by the same company.
  • Britannia - TUI are thinking up another new name to ensure that nothing remains of the Britannia brand, and details will soon be announced.
  • You forgot Laker Airways who not only operated Skytrain across the Pond but also had a very active charter arm, operating principally for Laker Holidays and Arrowsmith. Laker folded in February 1982.
  • Court Line, Channel Airways and British Eagle were probably before your time. Monarch was formed by former British Eagle directors, who left the company before its collapse.
  • Another airline was Sabre that went on to become Excel. I believe that former Dan-Air directors were among Sabre's founders.


I will check my records and see if I can dig up any further information about other UK charter airlines.



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User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10489 times:

Quoting AirEuropeUK733 (Thread starter):
Hispania??? Aviaco??? Spantax???? Universair?? Aviogenex - still around?

Hispania was born out of the remains of another famous name, TransEuropa, but went bust after it added a couple of 757s to the fleet. Aviaco reverted to domestic scheduled ops in Spain then merged back into Iberia. The legendary Spantax collapsed, sadly. Universair went bust I think, and Aviogenex still exists although it seems to only lease out a/c now rather than operate in its own right.

I remember a few other Spanish charter operators too - TAE (Caravelles, DC-8 "Sunshineliners"), Air Spain (Britannias, then DC-8s - I personally don't remember the Bristols, but I do the DC-8s), TransEuropa (Caravelles), CTA / Canafrica (DC-8s, then MD-80s), NortJet (737-400s), Viva Air (737-300s, merged into Iberia)...

Andy


User currently offlineAirEuropeUK733 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 976 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10485 times:

Thanks for the info - With regards BIA what I meant was that the name was used with the permision of Air UK as Air UK came about by a merger of the original BIA and Anglia (I think) amongst others...

Also Inex-Adria Aviopromet (Yugoslavia) became Adria Airways - the national airline of Slovenia.

AE733



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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10463 times:

Quoting AirEuropeUK733 (Thread starter):
Air UK Leisure - became Leisure International - then ???

Taken over by Air 2000 I think.



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User currently offlineAirEuropeUK733 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 976 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10461 times:

Didn't some former directors of Sabre form Cougar Leasing after Sabre became Excel? Then Cougar went bust?

And TEA (became easyjet Switzerland?) - just like Air Europe they tried to put a charter airline in each country - just like Thomas Cook and Tui (or whatever stupid name they want to call Britannia this hour!) are doing now. Both TEA and Air Europe were ahead of their time!

AE733



It's nice to fly with firends
User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10446 times:

Quoting AirEuropeUK733 (Reply 10):
Didn't some former directors of Sabre form Cougar Leasing after Sabre became Excel? Then Cougar went bust?

Correct 100%



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10429 times:

i loved Cougars 'quiet' 727s best bird ever.

User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10373 times:

Quoting AirEuropeUK733 (Reply 8):
With regards BIA what I meant was that the name was used with the permission of Air UK as Air UK came about by a merger of the original BIA and Anglia (I think) amongst others...

I suddenly remembered the name of the chairman of British Island Airways (Peter Villa) and did a goggle search which brought up the following information about BIA:

In 1980 BIA merged with Air Anglia to form AirUK, which went on to become one of the principal domestic UK carriers

In 1982 Peter Villa arranged a management buy out of BIA from AirUK. The new BIA initially started as a charter airline using a handful of BAC1-11s (or perhaps Rambacs?). The airline acquired MD83s and started a scheduled service between LGW and Catania. The airline folded and was forced into liquidation in the late 1980s.

Interestingly, Peter Villa is named as the operations director of FlyFirst, an airline proposing luxury 48-seater flights between London and New York, beginning in November 2005.



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10321 times:

Just remembered the lovley Novair with its DC10-10s and what about those bananas Virgin Sun.

User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10302 times:

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 14):
Virgin Sun

Virgin pulled out from European inclusive tours selling their outfit to another major tour operator. Their planes were not needed and most ended up in storage in the desert until put back into service with other airlines.



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User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2074 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10280 times:

Quoting BCAL (Reply 6):
Spantax I recall went bust but were also under investigation for breaches of regulations and safety issues

They lost already 4 or 5 aircrafts. In the 70th also here in Cologne one CV 990 landed without landing gears, which was later written off. I still have some little pieces of the wreck.

Axel



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10269 times:

I heard Novair's DC10-10s included one flown by Laker years before.

User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10255 times:

Here's a few more for you:

Viva Air
Oasis International
Centennial
Air Columbus
Air Atlantis
Air Sul



Like a fine wine, one gets better with age.
User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10244 times:

Ahhh, Peach Air, how I remember them Smile! Those were different days!

Airtours and Caledonian, two of my favourite charters are also no longer around. Well Airtours turned into MYT in one of the worst rebrands in aviation history Wink

Sam



Despite the name I am a Boeing man through and through!
User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10211 times:

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 17):
I heard Novair's DC10-10s included one flown by Laker years before.

British Caledonian acquired from Laker's liquidators the leases on 3 ex-Laker DC10-10s which were immediately assigned to BCal Charter that went on to become CalAir and then Novair.



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User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10207 times:

Quoting A340600 (Reply 19):
Well Airtours turned into MYT in one of the worst rebrands in aviation history

And Britannia into tui - just as bad!



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User currently offlineGoldcrest From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10172 times:

Translift took over All Leisure, then renamed transAer

User currently offlineBananaBoY From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1573 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10162 times:

Quoting A340600 (Reply 19):
Ahhh, Peach Air, how I remember them Smile! Those were different days!

Peach Air were 'interesting!' - even sprayed Peach Air freshener around the cabin after the doors were shut!

Quoting BCAL (Reply 6):
Britannia - TUI are thinking up another new name to ensure that nothing remains of the Britannia brand, and details will soon be announced.

Really? Where did you hear this? Another rebrand from thomsonfly?

Quoting BCAL (Reply 6):
You forgot Laker Airways who not only operated Skytrain across the Pond but also had a very active charter arm, operating principally for Laker Holidays and Arrowsmith. Laker folded in February 1982.

Didn't they come back in the 90's for a brief spell? I am sure I remember them returning to UK-Florida market.

Also, there was an airline called "fly Europa" which operated 737-200's and were going in 2001. Used to see them occasionally in Pula.


Mark



All my life, I've been kissing, your top lip 'cause your bottom one's missing
User currently offlineBananaBoY From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1573 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10140 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 9):
Quoting AirEuropeUK733 (Thread starter):
Air UK Leisure - became Leisure International - then ???

Taken over by Air 2000 I think.

With regard to Leisure International and Air UK Leisure, they were actually operating simulataneously.. using the codes UKL and LEI respectively.

They were seperate brands as I believe they wanted to differentiate between the short haul product of Air UK Leisure and the long haul operations of Leisure International.


Mark



All my life, I've been kissing, your top lip 'cause your bottom one's missing
25 BCAL : No rumour, just me being sarcastic about the killing of a leading name in British Civil Aviation! Correct, Sir Freddie Laker did start another Laker
26 BananaBoY : Hahahaha. I seem to remember a reason behind them foundering was the demands of high commision from the major travel agents in return for brochure ra
27 Post contains images Cgnnrw : Anybody remember Condor of Germany? Condor was one of Germany's leading charter airlines with a very devout following in Germany. It was a brand that
28 Jmc757 : Just to give a bit more detail on the whole Excalibur story. Globespan bought Excalibur in November/December of 1995 wanting an in-house airline. At t
29 Orion737 : I remember Air Columbus, they operated 727-200 and 737-300sfor tour operators to Madeira and the Algarve.
30 GVBIG : Leisure International = ULE Air UK Leisure = LEI Both combined = LEI Hope that helps
31 Post contains images BananaBoY : I know it says that on airline codes website, but I beg to differ. Never did I sell a flight on Leisure International with an LEI code. Weird. Mark
32 GVBIG : BananaBoy, well I flew on a Leisure International A320 to Mahon. Think the flight number was LEI8811 or something.
33 BY188B : I remember the Rich international DC-10 at GLA on the orlando charters, What happened to them?
34 Orion737 : I flew EMA-TFS on Air Uk Leisure 737-400 series flight number UKL****
35 BananaBoY : Ooops. My bad. What I meant to say was that I never saw the ULE code associated with Leisure International. I think that Orion737 is correct... Air U
36 FLYtoEGCC : Are you sure about that? It was my understanding that when the airline was under the control of Air UK, an independent airline at the time before it
37 Orion737 : Code for Air UK Leisure was definitley UKL back in the days of the 737-400 fleet anyway.
38 BananaBoY : ... yup, to differentiate from the rather good scheduled services of Air UK ("UK") Incidentally, why don't BA use different flight codes on their cha
39 FLYtoEGCC : All the BA ones I've seen have a BA prefix and flight number 9xxxC. I would suspect that the reason they don't have a separate code is because they d
40 Orion737 : I remember in the early days of Caledonian its code was plain old KT no C just like British Airtours
41 BananaBoY : They used to do regular charters from LGW to FAO if I remember correctly. Is that not still the case? Thanks for the "C" thing too - had forgotten ab
42 Post contains links and images SignalOne : Hi, Well, they are still here, and are growing stronger all the time, as well as improving, there new meals are award winning! I think the MyTravel br
43 Post contains links and images Crosswind : A little bit of history... Air UK Leisure was formed as the charter division of Air UK in 1988, initially operating a pair of second-hand B737-200s bu
44 Post contains links and images AirEuropeUK733 : More nostalgia! I have spent time finding the below. Lets wallow! View Large View MediumPhoto © Pedro Aragão View Large View MediumPhoto ©
45 Post contains links and images BCAL : Quoting AE733 View Large View MediumPhoto © John Myers This is the former Laker DC10 "Southern Belle" View Large View MediumPhoto © Paul Rob
46 JumpJet : I used to love Paramount. We used to fly from Bristol to Faro with them every couple of months until they finally went out of business. The flight tim
47 Post contains links and images SignalOne : In Pictures: Airtours International Airways 1990 View Large View MediumPhoto © Frank Schaefer 1991 View Large View MediumPhoto © Pedro Arag
48 Diesel1 : Wouldn't have been a Paramount aircraft, as they commenced operations in 1987, and the British Airtours accident was August 22nd 1985. I can remember
49 JumpJet : Diesel1, thanks for putting me right, my mistake! Can't honestly remember what we were on that day in 1985 then! We used to go out so often on such a
50 Post contains images Orion737 : Maybe one of DanAir old 727-100s
51 Post contains links and images Diesel1 : Great thread... (This is my second attempt at writing this reply as my PC crashed part way through last time...grrr ) The history of European charter
52 Orion737 : Amberair operating 737-200s. They were very short-lived.
53 Diesel1 : If it was a summer flight, and back to BRS from FAO, then it could have been Airways International Cymru as they did a fair number of flights from BR
54 Post contains images Diesel1 : Formed from the ashes of Airways International Cymru, I remember their first visit to CWL and training before they started operations with these two
55 BCAL : A great reply Diesel1. You mentioned many charter airlines that I had forgotten or never heard about. Many smaller UK airports had their own charter a
56 Orion737 : Thought of another one, Princess Air who operated 146s from either Southend or Bournemouth as I recall. Anyne have a photo to put up of Princess Air i
57 Post contains links BCAL : There is a photo in Reply 51 but here is the link http://www.airliners.net/open.file/147158/M/
58 AirEuropeUK733 : I'll do the Air Europe companies!!! AE733
59 Sk945 : For all of you missing Britiannia, you are welcome to Sweden. Britannia Airways Sweden will keep the Britannia name. At least for now. I do miss the o
60 Orion737 : I thought of some more Spanish charter airlines that were frequent visitors to the UK operating on behalf of the tour operators: Canafrica with MD83s
61 Post contains links and images AirEuropeUK733 : What about Inter-European Airways - weren't they based in Cardiff (?) Didn't they get taken over by Airtours when they bought Aspro? (or am I complete
62 Orion737 : Your not wrong. IEA were owned by Aspro and flew from many UK airports on behalf of Aspro Holidays but primarily from Bristol and cardiff. Loved the c
63 Diesel1 : You're completely right. Orion737 is right about where their primary operations were from As they grew, they also operated from BFS (AFAIK Aspro was
64 Orion737 : I remember in the days of the Aspro brochure, prior to Airtours take over, it had 2 or 3 pages at the front dedicated to its airline Inter European. t
65 Post contains links and images AirEuropeUK733 : Not quite charter but anybody remember Highland Express? They operated a 747 across the pond with aptly registered G-HIHO! They didn't last long eithe
66 Diesel1 : Inter European AW prided themselves on their inflight service - no IFE (no one had it on narrow body flights at that stage) but hot meals were the nor
67 Orion737 : Yes, the charter airlines did much to improve service levels in the 80s. now look today, we have come full circle with no complimentary meals, no more
68 BCAL : I remember them and seem to recall that they were a sort of Laker Skytrain - cheap Transatlantic fares but not quite a LCC! Holiday brochures are not
69 Orion737 : very true BCAL. I used to get mum to rush to the travel agents for all the tour operators Sumer and Winter brochures when they came out and then get t
70 AirEuropeUK733 : I'd forgotten the BY* - thanks Orion737. I used to do exactly the same thing - and then put together a collage of the plane I thought I was going to
71 Post contains links and images Diesel1 : Another couple... GB Leisure - part of GB Airways and using ex Britannia 737-200s View Large View MediumPhoto © Juan Rodriguez - Iberian Spotters
72 Post contains images SignalOne : Hi there, I hate to mis-quote you Orion, but MyTravel are now including Complimentary Meals   Ah yes, you all do exactly what I did when I was younge
73 AirEuropeUK733 : Yes but in my day it was Intasun, Horizon and Blue Skies!! AE733
74 Orion737 : I am of the same era os my friend AirEuropeUK733, remember Lancaster, Falcon, Enterprise,Global and Wings. Do you remember Intaun always had a sort of
75 Post contains links Diesel1 : At the beginning of the 1990s, the big two were Thomson and Intasun. In March 91 Intasun failed (the day after I had arrived in Lanzarote on a fortni
76 Orion737 : A little memory. I was on a 737-200 of Britannia and had the skyshop page open at the model of the 737-200 as the hostess came round with the duty fre
77 Post contains images SignalOne : Orion, I can remember playing with my newly acquired Britannia 767 on the balcony from the outbound flight when I was younger. We must have things in
78 Post contains images Bwaflyer : To follow on from Diesel1's reply, British Air Ferries rebranded as British World, operating Viscounts, ATR 72's 1-11s, and finally a fleet of ATP's (
79 Post contains links and images AirEuropeUK733 : Thought of another one - LTS in Germany, a subsidiary of LTU View Large View MediumPhoto © Alastair T. Gardiner - WorldAirImages View Large View
80 Post contains links and images BlueShamu330s : Ahhh, the smokey O. Imagine gate 26 at Manchester, Air 2000's first ever flight to Arrecife. Back then the 757 positioned up from Luton (AMM757M) for
81 BCAL : I do not think Arrowsmith "disappeared". Originally a private company they were brought out by Lord Brothers (i.e. Laker) and traded under the Arrows
82 Post contains links and images A321fly : This is a fond memory of the recent JMC Air. I always remember working onboard this aircraft back in 2000 newly painted in the Green livery. View Larg
83 BCAL : I had always thought that Monarch was the first UK Charter Airline to introduce Premium Cabins on long-haul flights when they added the A330 to their
84 Orion737 : I try and book the Monarch Plus service when taking a Cosmos holiday. As BCAL says this is just what we used to take for granted as standard charter f
85 WhiteHatter : No, British Caledonian was BR. British Airtours used the KT code. Laker Airways used GK first time round for charters and scheduled flights, includin
86 Orion737 : Sorry WhiteHatter your wrong. I now BCAL was BR and I know British Airtours was KT. I also know Caledonian was CKT but when British Airtours first cha
87 Post contains links and images SignalOne : Here is a bit of comparison on the brochures; (Click for a large version of the AIH one, the FCA is not working!) Airtours 1992/1993 First Choice 2005
88 BCAL : Sorry to be a nit picker, Whitehatter, but Orion 737 is correct. Caledonian (without the British) was the BA charter subsidiary previously called Bri
89 AirEuropeUK733 : I beleive it was Inspirations but I could be wrong? They then merged with Flying Colours Airlines to form JMC and then Thomas Cook Airlines? Maybe so
90 Orion737 : Yes, Inspirations. That is affirmative!
91 WhiteHatter : "in the early days" That to me doesn't exactly mean "at the end", which the Caledonian charter outfit was with regard to British Airways/British Caled
92 A321fly : Premium Cabins on Monarch, Airtours and JMC when they were introduced were very casually brought in, no big advertising complains (like now), Thomas C
93 WhiteHatter : The whole IT premium cabins thing started off when airlines like Britannia started selling exit row seats off for an additional payment as they offere
94 SignalOne : Can anyone remember Airtours International Airways having a Premiair Gold Cabin in their Boeing 767s? Have a look at the Summer 2005 brochures in the
95 BCAL : These comments might upset some former BCal/Cal Air employees and I think it might be best to put the record straight (again)! BCal at one time had a
96 Pilot kaz : I have 4 lines to say...... Bring Back Britannia!, Bring Back Airtours!, Bring Back JMC!, Get Rid of the Crap we have today!.
97 WhiteHatter : Can you please tell me exactly what is wrong with my comment in particular? I can certainly remember there being acrimony, including crews who were n
98 BananaBoY : Yes. I remember the first season Britannia started doing them, for ridiculously low prices, especially on long haul flights. They also used to do Twi
99 A321fly : Did Airtours International have PremiarGold in their B767, if they did there couldnt have been PTV's. Signal One Sorry I meant their Premium Cabin, it
100 Post contains links and images SignalOne : Hi, O.K You noticed! I did too, in the First Choice Brochure, a selection of the Pictures have been poorly edited, look at the one that says "G-OOAS",
101 A340600 : Hey, It is sad that it has come to the stage where you now pay £10 for meals on long-haul with a charter! FCA have gone the right way, but have you e
102 Orion737 : I loved the old charter carriers. I was happy then, a kid with no worries and a lovley couple of weeks bunking off school and as many ice-lollies as I
103 Post contains links SignalOne : Being as though that source I was talking about on my last post is not working, here is the Website I got the information from: http://members.tripod.
104 Post contains links and images Crosswind : Air 2000 were the first airline to introduce a premium cabin of the type that is common today, it was announced at the same time as the initial B767
105 Post contains images BananaBoY : Remember Britannia's 360 service? (sorry about naf pictures) Yes. Right down to the quirky cocktail stirrers! "Bold" colours all over the cabin, but c
106 SignalOne : I remember them! Should of checked, but it looks so computeristic with that font. Better than nothing! Who takes these Photos anyway? First Choice?
107 A321fly : I remember what ClassicPremium was offering from that time, - Three Menu system. - Personal Tv System Handheld - Increased Leg Room and Size. - etc..
108 Post contains images SignalOne : Nice sum up there A321fly, Thomas Cook seem to offer a very similar product to MyTravel Airways now I think about it. More or less same Long-Haul cabi
109 A321fly : Air Scandic, it will be a B757 with 227 seats. Deary me, althought it wouldnt be too bad if you were on a budget. At least space, width is something B
110 Crosswind : If anyone's interested here is the current May/June selection for the :Skytime IFE system on the 767s; Films The Incredibles (P) Ray (P) After the sun
111 Post contains images SignalOne : Hi, Yeah, that's what MYT are showing at the moment. Classic Panasonic has got to be one of the best brands around today, I have never had any bad stu
112 Post contains images FLYtoEGCC : Yes - last summer. I wrote a trip report on it. It obviously wasn't as good as the Airtours A330s I flew on a few years previously (no seat-back IFE/
113 Post contains images SignalOne : Yes, its not serious, it is to do with the service on-board MyTravel Flights.  [Edited 2005-06-03 01:47:28]
114 Post contains links and images AirEuropeUK733 : Ahh me too! Going back to the original thread topic I've thought of another one... Flyjet Saw them in Menorca last year - are they still around? Are
115 A321fly : Yes FlyJet are still going, operating from Manchester and Gatwick on two B757-200. Saw it last week on its way to Larnaca.
116 BananaBoY : the question, why isnt Britannia doing anything about its Long Haul service, standards have lowered since Thomsonfly rebrand How have the standards l
117 Post contains links and images BananaBoY : Grrr. Wouldn't let me edit.. not sure why. Just found flyEuropa. http://www.flyeuropa.com They were founded to operate from Stansted to Gibraltar and
118 Vasu : Anyone know what kind of state the Flyjet 757s are in? They look nice and shiny from the outside, but I saw reviews somewhere that said the interiors
119 Post contains links and images Diesel1 : Are you sure you were on an Omega 707? Zairean airline Scibe flew many subcharters for UK carriers - I can remember seeing them at CWL flying a subch
120 Post contains links Diesel1 : That link doesn't give flyeuropa... try this one http://genesis.eur.to/~fly-europa/fly/non-use%20files/ I don't believe they ever really started opera
121 Post contains links BananaBoY : Oooops! Try http://www.fly-europa.com Not started operations. Quite probable given the press release on their website... mentions "plans for scheduled
122 A321fly : BananaBoY In general though they have fell, you have to pay for inflight meals, no more free headphones, general things like that you used to Get on B
123 AirEuropeUK733 : Has Fly-Europa any connections with the old Air Europe? Same typeface and similar livery? Thanks AE733
124 Diesel1 : Just plagiarism I suspect...
125 Post contains images BananaBoY : A321fly I take what you are saying but those things are determined by the company who charters the aircraft, not the airline, in this case, Thomsonfly
126 Post contains images AirEuropeUK733 : How dare they!? My beloved Air Europe AE733
127 A321fly : Do miss Britannia. Your Holiday Your Choice was introduced in 2002 if my memory served me correctly, because in 2001 i went down to Lanzarote and that
128 BananaBoY : Your Holiday Your Choice was introduced in 2002 if my memory served me correctly, because in 2001 i went down to Lanzarote and that service hadnt star
129 Diesel1 : You're right in this, and the comment would carry considerable wight if you were referring to an independant airline like Astraeus / Flyjet (or as th
130 BananaBoY : However... the main user of Thomsonfly charter operations is TUI UK, and therefore it could be argued that the service (or perceived level) is the res
131 Post contains images Schooner : Well the latest news from the powers that be is that TCX are increasing the size of the longhaul fleet by a huge 50%.....yes we are getting a third A3
132 Orion737 : Just booked my holiday. Flying 22nd June to Kos from Manchester. Yes, I have booked an in-flight meal! Hope its a 757 and not one of those 321s
133 BananaBoY : Just booked my holiday. Flying 22nd June to Kos from Manchester. Yes, I have booked an in-flight meal! Hope its a 757 and not one of those 321s Flying
134 Orion737 : Oops missed that bit. First Choice. Im hoping for a 757 and not another blooming 321
135 Post contains images SignalOne : It won't be a A321, they are only based at East Midlands, Bristol and Stansted. Regards, Ryan
136 Crosswind : We don't have any A321s in Manchester this summer, only 320/752/763. All MAN-KGS flights on Wednesday are operated by B757. Regards CROSSWIND
137 Orion737 : Hooray! Thanks Ryan mate. Might have to get a First Choice model off the plane!
138 Post contains images SignalOne : Crosswind, any idea what A321 is to be based at East Midlands this Summer? Both my 2003 and 2004 flights were on G-OOAH, but every week I have been to
139 Crosswind : All aircraft rotate regularly between bases for maintenance or operational requirements, so no specific aircraft for a specific bases. The only except
140 A321fly : Just mentioning the small fleet of A321 aircraft, i hope they never decide to change the A321 for B757's because the A321 is a nice little run around
141 Orion737 : Yes the short haul premium cabin on board the 321 is a plus. I didnt have the option to book that so I suppose that confirms the 757. I am not a fan o
142 A321fly : Monarch's new premium seems very promising, 48 seats at 34" seat pitch on all their fleet avaiable to book from just £15. The short haul premium is g
143 SignalOne : Yeah, it really is worth the money the FCA Premium Upgrade, mind, the economy class as very good aswell. Will these new Monarch Premium class seats h
144 A321fly : No, its just the shorthaul aircraft, if they cant manage them throughout their long haul whats the chance of short haul.
145 Orion737 : Ive booked a meal and there are 5 of us going so I may ring up and pre-book seats as well. FCA are one of the better charter airlines. Much better tha
146 Post contains images A340600 : Glad to see you got your 757 Orion . However, I find the A321's superior in comfort to the 757's with FCA, Sam
147 Jmc757 : Good news! Any idea of when and where its coming from? Thought the A330 order boom was rather full at the moment? or is it a second hand aircraft? An
148 Brons2 : After flying on Hapag Lloyd last week and their 271 seat, 3-3-3 configured A310-200, I'm not sure I want to know what happened to the other European h
149 Schooner : I don`t think there is any airline we dont give our business to! Not sure about the where from. The when, the airline has been instructed to source an
150 Orion737 : LOve Hapag Lloyd A310s. Soon we will have no Hapag Lloyd (Hapag Fly) and no A310s (replacing them with 738) shame on TUI
151 Jmc757 : All good then Schooner, like the A330. Going a bit off topic, and may be an odd question I know, but does anyone (Crosswind?) know why First Choice ha
152 Crosswind : Not all flights on the A321 are sold with a premium cabin, it's down to the tour operator to decide whether to offer it or not. If the tour operator
153 SWISSER : Wel the Belgian scene changed completely in 20 years! TEA went to EBA sold to Virgin Express in 1995/96 (733-734) Air Belgium, seized operations in 20
154 Post contains links and images Crosswind : The C/D flight number haven't been dropped, but passengers just don't see them anymore! The Navitaire booking system used for the flexible, ticketles
155 Sausageandmash : Shame on you, Crosswind! Just like the latest edition of One, the FCA inflight mag, you have forgotten Belfast. How rude! Belfast/Dublin/Ireland fligh
156 Post contains images Jmc757 : Crosswind, thanks for the interesting info as always. Shame Navitaire doesn't like alphanumeric flight numbers, for some reason I prefer them, just se
157 Post contains images CalAir : I remember those TBG Tristars, and I also remember one of them being at the centre of a newspaper expose, in 1998 or 1999. It was a 3 or 4 page spread
158 Orion737 : TBG, Peach Air and Air Ops all received bad publicity due to the age and tech delays suffered by the Tristar and dont forget Peach had the oldest 732
159 Brons2 : That's quite a capacity drop, from 271 in the A312 to 189 in the 738. I rode STR-AYT in the 738 and AYT-DUS in the A312. Honestly, due to the 3-3-3 c
160 Orion737 : I agree about the 738 being a big drop in capacity compared to the 310s and I have made that exact point myself on this forum before Brons 2. As for n
161 Post contains links and images Cornish : Damn - missed out on this thread thanks to being off-line in KUL for most of last week. Thought of one airline that seems to be missed (or did my jetl
162 AirEuropeUK733 : In this month's edition of Airliner World there is an article on Laker Skytrain for anyone who's interested. AE733
163 BCAL : An interesting article but it was inaccurate in parts. Having read the article, I am still unsure if the author was attempting to cover the entire La
164 Mandala499 : AirEuropeUK733, Air Europe Group/Airlines of Europe if I remember correctly set up Air Europe in UK, Spain and Italy. After the parent company and Air
165 AirEuropeUK733 : Does anyone know what happended to Air Europe Norway (ex Norway Airlines) and NFD in Germany. Were they fully owned or did they emerge from the ashes
166 Post contains links and images SignalOne : Hello, Without starting a new thread, here's some MyTravel news: I have read that This Week the future of MyTravel Lite is going to be decided. There
167 AirEuropeUK733 : or should that be Britannia, or Thomsonfly or Thomson.co.uk or Thomson Suncream!!!!!!! Maybe they'll change the name every week? Sound familiar AE733
168 Post contains links CKT789 : Norway Airlines carried on after the collapse of ILG, but they folded in the mid-90s. They did some schedules to LGW and charters. http://images.airli
169 Post contains links SignalOne : Hello, MyTravel are looking to be back on track here: http://www.travelmole.com/stories/104284.php Judging by that, I doubt MyTravel Lite will be goin
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