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Martin Scorsese Creating Airbus Documentary  
User currently offlineZone1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 7
Posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

Martin Scorsese, creator of The Aviator, is planning on co-directing a documentary on Airbus. I can't wait to see it because it should be extremely interesting!

http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,12589,1496096,00.html


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User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2283 times:

No disrespect to Martin Scorsese, who is undoubtedly one of the best directors around, but would not a documentary about a European company directed by an American be somewhat biased?


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User currently offlineZone1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2271 times:

José Luis López-Linares from Spain is the other director. I'm sure Martin Scorsese really could care less of A vs. B. I wouldn't expect a biased film.


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User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2084 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

Such a traitor. Let us boycott his films.  rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Axel



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5744 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

Quoting BCAL (Reply 1):
No disrespect to Martin Scorsese, who is undoubtedly one of the best directors around, but would not a documentary about a European company directed by an American be somewhat biased?

Uh huh? I'd like to hear an explaination for this comment. Just because he's an american automatically disqualifies him from doing a documentary on a European company because YOU think he's biased. I didn't know you were an expert on Martin Scorsese's A vs. B point of view!  sarcastic 



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User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2084 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2202 times:

Quoting BCAL:
No disrespect to Martin Scorsese, who is undoubtedly one of the best directors around, but would not a documentary about a European company directed by an American be somewhat biased?

Why?

Axel

[Edited 2005-05-31 23:41:55]


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User currently offlineAirfinair From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 667 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2183 times:

Quoting BCAL (Reply 1):
but would not a documentary about a European company directed by an American be somewhat biased?

Biased how? If you read the linked article, it says the film will draw a parallel between the building planes and cathedrals, with the contribution of a factory worker, engineer and architect. What does that have anything to do with being a European or not? I doubt Scorsese follows the aviation industry like we do, so I can't see him being biased. I highly doubt he could care less whether he's in an A340 or a 744 from LAX-LHR. And this particular production company also landed Oliver Stone to make a documentary on Fidel Castro and another about the Isreali-Palastinian conflict. I didn't see either, but it sounds like this particular company does a good job getting stories told by famous directors so that the story may get more attention than if it was directed by a lesser-known one.



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User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2170 times:

@NYC777

I never said he should be automatically disqualified just because he is American, but perhaps he might be biased in the same way a European director could be biased. Still he is only co-directing and therefore we should expect a balanced opinion so please let us not start this evening's A v B slanging match. I do not have any idea whatsoever about Martin Scorsese's A v B point of view, if indeed he has one.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5744 posts, RR: 47
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

Quoting BCAL (Reply 7):
I never said he should be automatically disqualified just because he is American, but perhaps he might be biased in the same way a European director could be biased. Still he is only co-directing and therefore we should expect a balanced opinion so please let us not start this evening's A v B slanging match. I do not have any idea whatsoever about Martin Scorsese's A v B point of view, if indeed he has one.

In your posting you assumed that he's biased because he's an American...that's a very far reach unless you know the man or can read his mind.



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User currently offlineNorCal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

This isn't Michael Moore we are talking about, so it won't be that biased or biased at all

User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

Come on...get your stereotypes straight. If there was any possibility of Airbus vs. Boeing or Europe vs. USA, one must remember that the Hollywood elite consider themselves to be culturally superior to most...check that...ALL Americans. They are part of a crowd that gushes over anything European for the sake of calling themselves sophistocated. Taking what may be an anti-US stand is viewed as a badge of honor by these people. So, if there was to be any bias, it would be the other way. Aside from that, it does not appear this film has any potential for this sort of thing. Likening aircraft manufacture to creating cathedrals? Well, there is the potential for some Eurosnobbery there, I guess. Apparently, we will all have to wait and see.


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User currently offlineAirfinair From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 667 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

I'll clarify what I said - Every documentary film or even every written article is biased somehow. Someone has an idea about something and goes about trying to prove that idea is true. That's a bias. They'll try to back up the idea with facts that prove their point - even if there are other facts that prove their point wrong. (I'm not saying Michael Moore is 100% wrong, but did you see his last film? What a bunch of biased shrivel. And no, Michael Moore is no Martin Scorsesse.) So no matter who directs this documentary about Airbus will be biased - in how it relates to building churches! No matter if its an American or Canadian or British or Isreali or Cuban or French or Chilean. And no A vs. B war here. And nothing against you, BCAL, either. I'm guessing you're just as curious as I am about how Scorsesse will shoot the A380! Should be interesting.


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User currently offlineNorCal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2065 times:

Quoting Airfinair (Reply 11):
but did you see his last film? What a bunch of biased shrivel.

Yeah his last one was a big stretch of the imagination. I did like Bowling for Columbine though and thought that was a pretty good documentary (still had some distortion of facts though)

This has to be the best role Michael Moore has ever had in the film industry:

http://www.unreel.co.uk/reviews/t/Team_America_World_Police/co3.jpg


User currently offlineJeffrito From United States of America, joined May 2001, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1923 times:

Quoting Airfinair (Reply 11):
What a bunch of biased shrivel.

That's what she said!


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6793 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1729 times:

Cool...

Scorcese's feature on the Blues was oustanding. He's got the chops to do great documentary stuff, so this should be good.


User currently offlineHEGAN From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1644 times:

It will be very interesting.

Let's hope it will be released in an International Film Festival. San Sebastian's one will be great because is where I live, and if part of the team is Spanish, there is always a chance!

Nowadays in the Film Festivals the documentaries are becoming very popular, and are a quite cheap way of expressing opinions and showing facts.

Agur
Hegan

[Edited 2005-06-01 18:14:48]


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User currently offlineDarthRandall From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 302 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1570 times:

Quoting BCAL (Reply 1):
No disrespect to Martin Scorsese, who is undoubtedly one of the best directors around, but would not a documentary about a European company directed by an American be somewhat biased?

Nah, being from across the Pond probably gives him a healthy professional distance from the subject. If the filmmaker were from Spain or Germany for example, I am sure it would be difficult for them not to get just a little patriotic about it.

Quoting Cwapilot (Reply 10):
Come on...get your stereotypes straight. If there was any possibility of Airbus vs. Boeing or Europe vs. USA, one must remember that the Hollywood elite consider themselves to be culturally superior to most...check that...ALL Americans. They are part of a crowd that gushes over anything European for the sake of calling themselves sophistocated. Taking what may be an anti-US stand is viewed as a badge of honor by these people. So, if there was to be any bias, it would be the other way. Aside from that, it does not appear this film has any potential for this sort of thing. Likening aircraft manufacture to creating cathedrals? Well, there is the potential for some Eurosnobbery there, I guess. Apparently, we will all have to wait and see.

Watch FOX "News" much?



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User currently offlineFlyPIJets From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 898 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1525 times:

Quoting DarthRandall (Reply 16):
Watch FOX "News" much?

...funny

Martin Scorsese has had his hand in such anti-American pro-European works as:

Lady by the Sea: The Statue of Liberty (2004) (TV)
The Concert for New York City (2001) (TV) (segment "The Neighborhood")

And those anti-American Hollywood elitist are responsible for creating movies like The Right Stuff or Apollo 13 - both towering monuments to superior European ingenuity.

Comparing Airbus to Gothic Cathedral building should be interesting. When a lot of those Cathedrals were built, the church had quite a grip on many of the governments. Not unlike the influence EADS/Airbus A350 wing issue to the UK now.



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User currently offlinePHXinterrupted From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1419 times:

Quoting BCAL (Reply 7):
I never said he should be automatically disqualified just because he is American, but perhaps he might be biased in the same way a European director could be biased. Still he is only co-directing and therefore we should expect a balanced opinion so please let us not start this evening's A v B slanging match. I do not have any idea whatsoever about Martin Scorsese's A v B point of view, if indeed he has one.

Hello? You're the one who started the potential A vs B fight by even bringing it up.



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User currently offlineBeauing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1406 times:

Quoting BCAL (Reply 1):
No disrespect to Martin Scorsese, who is undoubtedly one of the best directors around, but would not a documentary about a European company directed by an American be somewhat biased?

And since you're from the UK we must dismiss everything you say as BIASED too?


User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2087 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1362 times:

There are at least two sides to everything and Scorsese should be able to deal with it. He is an experienced documentary maker and pre-"Taxi Driver" he used to alternate between dramatic features and documentaries. Besides, the documentary is about Airbus and Cathedrals, not about Boeing vs. Airbus.

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