They also plan on flying to KOA and LIH. Will HP use 752s of their own or the 752s and 762s from US? I doubt they'll use the A332s. LIH is 752 worthy, but KOA can handle heavier aircraft. TZ has increased service to OGG and HNL from PHX on 753s, so maybe fares will drop when US (or HP?) enters the market.
PITA333 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 391 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2814 times:
Thats good news I think. HP/US might use the US 762s, if they have them. Don't forget, US uses a lot of those 762s on seasonal routes during the summer. As for the airbus, its an A333, not an A332 that US has. Anyway, I think it is good to see HP (prob. US) in the Hawaii market. I used United last year through US Airways Dividend Miles.
Flyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2776 times:
Awesome indeed. I'm sure the the routes will benefit from the merger with the increased amount of 757's. I guess this might see the end of some of the current 757 routes that HP flies. They will need them for the new routes.
Usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3096 posts, RR: 8 Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2744 times:
I highly doubt many 762's would fly these routes. Yes quite a few are used for seasonal European routes in the summer, but in the winter they also fly high demand seasonal routes to CUN, STT, NAS, MCO, and SJU.
WA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 172 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2682 times:
ANCFlyer, KOA of course can handle heavies as I saw a UA D10 in 1991 and know that Japan flies some in there as well. Lihue, on the other hand, is limited by 6,500 foot runways. I've seen D10s and L10s there, but they were charters that hopped over from HNL. All the nonstop mainland flights to LIH are on 757s. So, I bet the HP/US service to both KOA and LIH will be on 752s. Hooray for more 6+ hour, narrow body over water flights ! (not)
Byrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2140 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2655 times:
I thought US was returning all ten of their 762's.
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Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 89 Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2628 times:
I have seen no evidence of that. They did say they'd be transitioning to an Airbus international fleet, but not when.
PITA333 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 391 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2586 times:
Byrdluvs747: Where did you hear this? Down the grape vine or a report? Either way, the 762 does more europe routes, as US has more 762s than A333s.
Flyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2434 times:
Quoting PITA333 (Reply 9): Byrdluvs747: Where did you hear this? Down the grape vine or a report? Either way, the 762 does more europe routes, as US has more 762s than A333s.
Well they are supposed to be retired and replaced with the A332...but in the merger discussions they stated they were working with Airbus to transition the fleet to all Airbus more quickly. I do agree they do have some use still, but they are getting quite old. Does anyone know if they are completely paid for yet?
Usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3096 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2398 times:
The 332's don't arrive until 2007 and i doubt they will arrive anytime sooner.
A330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 48 Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2396 times:
I do agree they do have some use still, but they are getting quite old.
They're exactly the same age as HP's 757s.
Does anyone know if they are completely paid for yet?
US owns 4 of them outright. The other 6 are leased.
I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
UA2162 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 480 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2372 times:
HP in KOA! Add yet another carrier to KOA. Talk about airports on the rise. This gives the state yet another reason to update and enlarge the terminal.
Flyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2302 times:
Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 11): The 332's don't arrive until 2007 and i doubt they will arrive anytime sooner.
Yeah that's coming around pretty quick.
Quoting A330323X (Reply 12): They're exactly the same age as HP's 757s.
Hehe..yes and ours are old too!
Quoting A330323X (Reply 12): US owns 4 of them outright. The other 6 are leased.
Wow, cool....might be wise to keep them flying for a bit longer. The good thing about the 757/767 is the commonality between the two. I can't imagine much parts commanility, certainly not engines. But they might not want to keep them around because of the small fleet size.
UA747400 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 31 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2206 times:
Could US/HP fly from ONT to Hawaii or would the loads be to light?
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Drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2183 times:
Quoting UA747400 (Reply 15): Could US/HP fly from ONT to Hawaii or would the loads be to light?
Why would they--they don't have a hub at ONT. That flying will be left for HA and/or AQ to do.
HPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3661 posts, RR: 8 Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2147 times:
The flights to Hawaii would most definitely be from PHX and probably LAS.
I recall some misled A.netter talking about how any Hawaii service would be useless because it would full of nonrev-ers.
Need I remind everyone that nonrev-ers fly standby. In fact it would probably be difficult to nonrev to Hawaii because loads are generally full.
Azul320 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 278 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2106 times:
Isn't Hawaii a low yeilding market and most of the passengers that travel there use their free reward miles? Why would two broke airlines want to jump on that? Good PR for investors? Who knows...
Neilalp From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1034 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2086 times:
I don't think Hawaii is that low yielding, but if so just don't offer that many reward seats. Do what most airlines do offer 10 or so. (I know they offer more but it feels like unless you book a year in advance you can't get it)
Flyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2001 times:
Quoting Neilalp (Reply 19): I don't think Hawaii is that low yielding, but if so just don't offer that many reward seats. Do what most airlines do offer 10 or so. (I know they offer more but it feels like unless you book a year in advance you can't get it)
Yes it's very difficult to book reward tickets to HA these days. I found one a while back out of TUS...had to go to DFW first then to LAX then to HNL...lol...yeah ok....
Hawaii is not a low yielding as many think. It can be for tour operators who get seats really cheap. If you are buying a ticket yourself...which a lot of people do...you're gonna pay pretty good. I posted before that the normal fare out of PHX to HNL is around $600 roundtrip. Not very cheap.
WA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 172 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1859 times:
the article at the start of the thread says tourism to Hawaii is up 12% or so. I flew HA PHX-HNL R/T in February and both flights were full. Perhaps non-revs are down and paying pax are up. Hence, the increased service.
Bluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3139 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1780 times:
Quoting UA2162 (Reply 13): Too bad HP couldn't bring back their 747s!
I can't imagine a 742 in the current HP colors.
More seats to/from Hawaii is a good thing. Will be curious to see how many flights HP/US actually adds.
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StevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1626 times:
Quoting WA727 (Reply 5): Lihue, on the other hand, is limited by 6,500 foot runways. I've seen D10s and L10s there, but they were charters that hopped over from HNL.
Right. UA used to operate a daily scheduled flight from HNL using DC-10s. I rode on it in Feb. '90. Some time after that, probably after retiring the DC-10, they started nonstops from SFO and LAX, using 752 ETOPS.
25 WA727: I flew the 752 ETOPS LIH-LAX overnight on January 31, 2003. It was dark when we took off, but we used most of runway 3 on departure. I flew the 742s
26 Gigneil: AA has said time and time again that Hawaii is a real money maker for them. ATA obviously thinks so too. N
27 Dutchjet: Yeilds on flights to/from Hawaii are average, at best, its mainly a tourist destination, therefore lots of passengers shopping for the lowest fare and
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