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ONT: Why So Big For Such A Small Operation  
User currently offlineUA747400 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 31 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4388 times:

Since ONT was modernized around 2000 the amount of traffic through the airport has seemed to decrease significantly. Why is this happening? It does have a large population around it. Since I live near it, I sometimes need to go to LAX just to get the LAX-PHL flight when there used to be a direct UA flight using a 727 during the '90's. It just doesn't seem as if the traffic is growing as it once was. Any help would be useful. Thanks

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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6003 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4352 times:

It was 'modernized' in 1998 with the opening of the new terminals. UA all but moved out of ONT when they shut down their shuttle operation, and the ORD flights in 2001, which hurt a lot of passengers. Many of those passengers now fly ONT-LAX instead to catch their ORD flights.

The amount of traffic has grown immensely over the years. Look at DL. When I started doing cargo, all they had was 1 757 per day to ATL. Then they added a second. Then they changed 1 757 to a 767-300. Then they added a second, and now a 3rd 767. UA is doing quite well with their TED flights, WN is growing steadily, HP is growing steadily, and even UPS has grown by leaps and bounds.

Occasionally, HP has a ONT-PHL direct flight every so often, so you could always do that. I believe CO has one occasionally as well.



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6603 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4275 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 1):
Look at DL. When I started doing cargo, all they had was 1 757 per day to ATL. Then they added a second. Then they changed 1 757 to a 767-300. Then they added a second, and now a 3rd 767.

But DL hasn't grown as much as you think. While ATL flights have grown, SLC and DFW have seen cuts.

Here's DL's ONT schedule in June 2001:

2x daily ONT-ATL (2x757) = 360 seats
2x daily ONT-DFW (1xMD90, 1x733) = 272 seats
3x daily ONT-SLC (2x727, 1xMD90) = 448
Total daily seats = 1,080

Here DL's ONT schedule in June 2005:
3x daily ONT-ATL (1x762, 1x757, 1x763) = 630 seats
0x daily ONT-DFW = 0 seats
6x daily ONT-SLC (1x733, 1xMD90, 4xCRJ) = 472 seats
Total daily seats = 1,102

That's a net gain of only 22 seats...plus you have one less hub to connect through. IIRC, DL had even more capacity on the ONT-SLC and ONT-DFW route in the late 90's.

On a side note, it looks like DL will be adding a fourth daily ONT-ATL flight starting in July.


User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4254 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 1):
Occasionally, HP has a ONT-PHL direct flight every so often

You mean US Airways?



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6003 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4249 times:

Compared to many other airports of the same size, the airport as a whole has grown immensely.

Quoting September11 (Reply 3):
You mean US Airways?

Perhaps now, but even then, would there be a nonstop to PHL from ONT? Probably not.

HP256 used to do it for the longest of time. It was the 12:30 departure.

[Edited 2005-06-01 03:37:54]


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User currently offlineUA747400 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4207 times:

When you look at these photos it makes it seem as if there is barley any traffic at all. Do these flights all leave at the same time or what?


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User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4172 times:

It wasn't necessarily built for current traffic, but was built with future traffic in mind. San Bernardino/Riverside is currently the fastest growing area in Southern California (and one of the fastest growing areas of the nation). It's a bit like buying your kid pants that are a couple of sizes too big. He'll grow into them. I have no doubt traffic will continue to increase at ONT.

User currently offlineAdipasqu From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4155 times:

AFAIK, ONT is owned and operated by LA World Airports, who also own LAX. Before the expansion/renovation, ONT was purchased by LAWA as a diversionary airport, large enough for anything that flies into/out of LAX to land and take off there safely if (and when...I believe it's happened a handful of times since LAWA took over ONT) LAX is completely fogged in (i.e CLOSED). ONT is also the west coast air-base for UP, which uses 741F and 742F out of there for their pacific op's as well as runs to/from LEX, their main air-base. So, big jets do use the airport regularly, but the main reason for the expansion/upgrades was its alternate airport status for LAX.


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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4133 times:

Look at this way....Ontario has room to grow into their airport...Not a bad position to be in. The current state of affairs will not last forever.

Quoting September11 (Reply 3):
Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 1):
Occasionally, HP has a ONT-PHL direct flight every so often

You mean US Airways?

Maybe he meant "DIRECT" as in via Phoenix.



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User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1844 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4133 times:

It's rather surprising that most here don't know how important ONT is for UPS.


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User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1078 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4122 times:
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User currently offlineUA747400 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4113 times:

Quoting Adipasqu (Reply 7):
which uses 741F and 742F out of there for their pacific op's as well as runs to/from LEX, their main air-base. So, big jets do use the airport regularly, but the main reason for the expansion/upgrades was its alternate airport status for LAX.

Yes, but when will United, Air France, or any one else send their 747's to ONT, when was the last time an actual passenger 747 landed at ONT?



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User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4107 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 8):
Maybe he meant "DIRECT" as in via Phoenix.

That's right...direct means one or more stops...nonstop is just that. Passengers get this confused ALL the time...they think direct means nonstop.


User currently offlineAdipasqu From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4094 times:

Quoting UA747400 (Reply 11):
Yes, but when will United, Air France, or any one else send their 747's to ONT, when was the last time an actual passenger 747 landed at ONT?

Unless there is a ginormous population boom in San Bernadino County or LAX falls of the face of the earth when "The Big One" comes, never. However, flights get diverted there quite regularly, and I wouldn't be surprised if ONT has seen one or two pax 747's this year (most likely just tech stops or the like, but that counts, right???)



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

Quoting UA747400 (Thread starter):
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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6003 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4047 times:

The current terminals weren't designed to handle 747's. They can barely fit a 767-300. When UA brought a 747-400 in on the terminal's opening day, it went out 20 feet past the control boundary.

Unless LAWA goes with plan B and opens a south terminal, I highly doubt that a regularly scheduled passenger 747 will fly into ONT.

1500 local time is a dead time for the airport. It's a changing of the shifts. Terminal 2's airlines have flights every few hours or so -- except for the EMB-120's to LAX. Terminal 4 is ALWAYS busy, except at 1500, since Southwest focuses there.



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User currently offlineSonic67 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4012 times:

I think Ontario is a great airport fly out of. Lines aren't long and you can fly to most places in the U.S..

[Edited 2005-06-01 05:30:15]

User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4048 times:
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Quoting Stirling (Reply 8):
Look at this way....Ontario has room to grow into their airport...Not a bad position to be in. The current state of affairs will not last forever.

Exactly, much better then to be in SNA and BUR's shape. The airport is still fairly underutilitalized. Snap shot of today's arrivals:

Flights arriving in:
Ontario, CA
(ONT-Ontario International Airport)

San Francisco, CA 12 07:33 PM Arrived
Guadalajara Aeromexico 458 10:31 PM In Flight
Seattle, WA Alaska 474 09:10 AM Arrived
Seattle, WA Alaska 504 03:15 PM Arrived
Seattle, WA Alaska 448 11:27 PM Scheduled
Phoenix, AZ America West 646 08:42 AM Arrived
Phoenix, AZ America West 647 11:54 AM Arrived
Phoenix, AZ America West 638 02:27 PM Arrived
Phoenix, AZ America West 644 05:30 PM Arrived
Phoenix, AZ America West 639 08:17 PM In Flight
Dallas, TX American 2025 11:37 AM Arrived
Dallas, TX American 1649 01:11 PM Arrived
Dallas, TX American 1286 07:23 PM Arrived
Dallas, TX American 1027 09:36 PM In Flight
Dallas, TX American 1989 10:52 PM Scheduled
Burbank, CA Ameriflight 1942 05:33 AM Arrived
Tijuana Ameriflight 6631 05:56 PM Arrived
Bakersfield, CA Ameriflight 1947 06:46 PM Arrived
Visalia, CA Ameriflight 1945 06:47 PM Landed
Santa Barbara, CA Ameriflight 1929 06:53 PM Arrived
Lancaster, CA Ameriflight 1901 06:54 PM Landed
Palm Springs, CA Ameriflight 1953 06:59 PM Arrived
Long Beach, CA Ameriflight 1937 07:26 PM Arrived
San Diego, CA Ameriflight 1959 07:30 PM Arrived
Los Angeles, CA Bombardier Business Jet Solutions 249 05:24 AM Planned
Houston, TX Continental 1731 10:53 AM Arrived
Houston, TX Continental 150 06:47 PM Arrived
Houston, TX Continental 5221 10:25 PM In Flight
Goodyear, AZ Corporate Wings 815 02:21 PM Arrived
Atlanta, GA Delta Air Lines 275 11:30 AM Arrived
Salt Lake City, UT Delta Air Lines 873 11:54 AM Arrived
Salt Lake City, UT Delta Air Lines 720 07:23 PM Arrived
Atlanta, GA Delta Air Lines 1414 10:15 PM In Flight
Atlanta, GA Delta Air Lines 391 12:47 AM In Flight
Santa Barbara, CA Empire Airlines 693 06:39 PM Arrived
Dallas, TX Executive Jet Aviation 996 01:16 PM Arrived
Los Angeles, CA Federal Express 2816 07:27 PM Arrived
Portland, OR Horizon Air 2511 08:51 AM Arrived
Portland, OR Horizon Air 2459 02:21 PM Arrived
Portland, OR Horizon Air 2515 07:32 PM Arrived
Portland, OR Horizon Air 2517 08:00 PM Arrived
Portland, OR Horizon Air 2519 11:01 PM Scheduled
New York, NY Jetblue Airways 177 09:58 AM Arrived
New York, NY Jetblue Airways 89 12:39 AM In Flight
Las Vegas, NV Mesa Airlines 531 10:40 AM Arrived
Las Vegas, NV Mesa Airlines 533 05:55 PM Arrived
Phoenix, AZ Mesa Airlines 534 07:28 PM Arrived
Minneapolis, MN Northwest 1031 11:01 AM Arrived
Minneapolis, MN Northwest 1029 10:37 PM In Flight
Los Angeles, CA Sky West 6098 07:04 AM Arrived
Salt Lake City, UT Sky West 3947 08:58 AM Arrived
Los Angeles, CA Sky West 6099 09:02 AM Arrived
Los Angeles, CA Sky West 6100 11:15 AM Arrived
Los Angeles, CA Sky West 6101 01:39 PM Arrived
Salt Lake City, UT Sky West 3818 04:17 PM Arrived
Los Angeles, CA Sky West 6102 04:19 PM Arrived
Salt Lake City, UT Sky West 3813 05:28 PM Arrived
Los Angeles, CA Sky West 6103 06:49 PM Arrived
Los Angeles, CA Sky West 6104 08:26 PM In Flight
Salt Lake City, UT Sky West 3849 09:54 PM Planned
San Diego, CA Skyway Enterprises 1955 08:19 PM In Flight
Phoenix, AZ Southwest 1899 06:55 AM Arrived
Oakland, CA Southwest 1714 07:08 AM Arrived
Sacramento, CA Southwest 623 07:48 AM Arrived
San Jose, CA Southwest 825 07:48 AM Arrived
Phoenix, AZ Southwest 1082 07:59 AM Arrived
Las Vegas, NV Southwest 212 08:07 AM Arrived
Oakland, CA Southwest 2624 08:19 AM Arrived
Phoenix, AZ Southwest 2307 09:03 AM Arrived
Las Vegas, NV Southwest 319 09:14 AM Arrived
Sacramento, CA Southwest 1058 09:48 AM Arrived
Phoenix, AZ Southwest 1184 10:05 AM Arrived
San Jose, CA Southwest 526 10:33 AM Arrived
Las Vegas, NV Southwest 2073 10:38 AM Arrived
Oakland, CA Southwest 1717 10:51 AM Arrived
Sacramento, CA Southwest 698 10:53 AM Arrived
Oakland, CA Southwest 1007 10:58 AM Arrived
Oakland, CA Southwest 2731 12:08 PM Arrived
San Jose, CA Southwest 1877 12:21 PM Arrived
Sacramento, CA Southwest 1634 12:23 PM Arrived
Phoenix, AZ Southwest 501 12:24 PM Arrived
Las Vegas, NV Southwest 2198 01:09 PM Arrived
San Jose, CA Southwest 1902 01:43 PM Arrived
Oakland, CA Southwest 1719 01:55 PM Arrived
Phoenix, AZ Southwest 1865 01:57 PM Arrived
Sacramento, CA Southwest 1417 02:08 PM Arrived
Las Vegas, NV Southwest 2980 02:50 PM Arrived
Sacramento, CA Southwest 626 03:00 PM Arrived
Oakland, CA Southwest 1720 03:17 PM Arrived
Phoenix, AZ Southwest 1585 03:20 PM Arrived
San Jose, CA Southwest 1275 03:41 PM Arrived
Las Vegas, NV Southwest 1241 03:52 PM Arrived
Phoenix, AZ Southwest 2561 03:53 PM Arrived
Las Vegas, NV Southwest 2781 04:43 PM Arrived
Oakland, CA Southwest 309 04:47 PM Arrived
Phoenix, AZ Southwest 1118 04:53 PM Arrived
Sacramento, CA Southwest 2451 05:08 PM Arrived
San Jose, CA Southwest 2143 05:19 PM Arrived
Phoenix, AZ Southwest 394 05:32 PM Arrived
Sacramento, CA Southwest 248 05:38 PM Arrived
Phoenix, AZ Southwest 377 06:12 PM Arrived
Las Vegas, NV Southwest 2899 06:15 PM Arrived
Oakland, CA Southwest 425 06:23 PM Arrived
Sacramento, CA Southwest 963 07:08 PM Arrived
Nashville, TN Southwest 1382 07:12 PM Arrived
Oakland, CA Southwest 1493 07:16 PM Arrived
Sacramento, CA Southwest 2565 07:52 PM Arrived
San Jose, CA Southwest 2808 08:05 PM Arrived
Oakland, CA Southwest 1344 08:21 PM In Flight
Oakland, CA Southwest 763 09:03 PM In Flight
San Jose, CA Southwest 1772 09:20 PM Scheduled
Phoenix, AZ Southwest 2325 09:31 PM Scheduled
Las Vegas, NV Southwest 1356 09:50 PM Scheduled
Phoenix, AZ Southwest 2092 10:06 PM Scheduled
Oakland, CA Southwest 727 10:19 PM Scheduled
Sacramento, CA Southwest 541 10:35 PM Scheduled
San Jose, CA Southwest 451 10:46 PM Scheduled
Las Vegas, NV Southwest 360 11:00 PM Scheduled
Sacramento, CA Southwest 2083 11:15 PM Scheduled
Bakersfield, CA Union Flights 1147 06:36 PM Landed
Santa Maria, CA Union Flights 1143 06:40 PM Arrived
Santa Barbara, CA Union Flights 1133 06:45 PM Arrived
Denver, CO United 1437 10:48 AM Arrived
Denver, CO United 1439 12:48 PM Arrived
Denver, CO United 1441 08:07 PM Landed
Denver, CO United 1443 10:22 PM Scheduled
Louisville, KY United Parcel Service 6908 03:58 AM Arrived
Louisville, KY United Parcel Service 912 04:58 AM Arrived
Louisville, KY United Parcel Service 2910 08:03 AM Arrived
El Paso, TX United Parcel Service 914 08:16 AM Arrived
Seattle, WA United Parcel Service 8230 10:20 AM Arrived
Honolulu, HI United Parcel Service 2904 06:10 PM Arrived
Fresno, CA United Parcel Service 927 07:09 PM Arrived
Denver, CO United Parcel Service 9602 08:43 PM In Flight
Salt Lake City, UT United Parcel Service 833 09:14 PM In Flight
Sacramento, CA United Parcel Service 897 10:28 PM Planned
Seattle, WA United Parcel Service 983 10:40 PM Planned
Oakland, CA United Parcel Service 961 10:47 PM Planned
Denver, CO United Parcel Service 805 11:03 PM Planned
Phoenix, AZ United Parcel Service 849 11:07 PM Planned
Portland, OR United Parcel Service 971 11:09 PM Planned
Anchorage, AK United Parcel Service 6927 11:14 PM In Flight
Rockford, IL United Parcel Service 928 03:31 AM Planned
Santa Maria, CA Westair Industries 7683 06:03 PM Arrived
Santa Maria, CA Westair Industries 7682 06:11 PM Arrived
Bakersfield, CA Westair Industries 7653 06:20 PM Arrived
Inyokern, CA Westair Industries 7654 06:20 PM Landed
San Luis Obispo, CA Westair Industries 7694 06:26 PM Arrived
Victorville, CA Westair Industries 7666 06:41 PM Planned
Bakersfield, CA Westair Industries 7652 06:48 PM Arrived
San Luis Obispo, CA Westair Industries 7688 06:50 PM Arrived
El Centro, CA Westair Industries 7970 06:55 PM Arrived
Santa Maria, CA Westair Industries 7681 07:02 PM Arrived
Los Angeles, CA Westair Industries 7676 07:28 PM Arrived



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User currently offlineUA747400 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3942 times:

When will the days of transcon flights come back to ONT? because it is a lot easier to go there than it is for LAX


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User currently offlinePictues From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3920 times:

I belive Air Canada is thinking of flying to ONT from Canada in the furture when they get their new CRJ-705's and EMB-175/190's

User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3909 times:

Quoting UA747400 (Thread starter):
ONT: Why So Big For Such A Small Operation

Well, to people who use ONT, not too shabby of an operation…

Nonstop to Phoenix 15 times daily, Oakland a bakers dozen each working day, the other Bay Area airport a bunch of times (10ish), Arnold’s office another dozen times, some big city in the desert where they gamble a bunch of times, and that venerable non-stop to Nashville.

Of course those people could suffer cardiac arrest by not sitting in an assigned seat if they subscribe to a.net…


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6003 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3903 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 20):
Of course those people could suffer cardiac arrest by not sitting in an assigned seat if they subscribe to a.net

Why is that? When I jumpseat, I'm usually the last on the plane, and can still snag a window seat with a nice view.



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User currently offlineUA747400 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3852 times:

Does Hawaiian still send there DC-10 to ONT?


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User currently offlineSocal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3808 times:

No, Hawaiian Airlines stopped flights over a year ago. I had a thread a few weeks ago suggesting Aloha Airlines should have service from ONT. With the smaller 737-700s it would work out well for them. Alot of people in the Inland Empire fly to Hawaii for the weekends. They battle the freeway traffic, sometimes over a 2hr drive to SNA or LAX.  Cool


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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2087 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3789 times:

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 6):
It wasn't necessarily built for current traffic, but was built with future traffic in mind. San Bernardino/Riverside is currently the fastest growing area in Southern California (and one of the fastest growing areas of the nation).

It has little to do with the size of the surrounding population. The high revenue business travelers are concentrated on the west side of Los Angeles, not far from LAX. That is why there is a reluctance from airlines to fly there. Flights out of ONT are low yield.

However, it is the only viable airport in the Los Angeles area (even though it is 40 miles away) that has significant capacity to spare. BUR, SNA and LGB are capped. If an airline wanted to make Los Angeles a focus city, it will either have to wait for UA to die or go to ONT. The city of Ontario is actually fearful of overflow from other LA airports swamping them.

ONT is mostly a LCC airport, dominated by WN and B6.


25 Ikramerica : don't see why not. no bridges. lot's of room around jetways. maybe runways are too close to taxiways, but I doubt it.
26 N1120A : Actually, the city of Los Angeles bought ONT as much more than just a diversionary airport. It has always been their intent to operate ONT as a relie
27 LongHauler : Air Canada used to fly YYZ-ONT-YYZ daily with an A319. This service was cancelled with the downturn in demand in the last few years. I recently read
28 Goldenshield : Technically, there are bridges. There is a drainage channel that goes right under the center of the airport. Don't believe me? Go look on Google. Con
29 Travelin man : That's true, for now. For instance, in two weeks I fly to DEN out of ONT because it was $300 cheaper than BUR (Ted vs. UA Express). However, you are
30 Boeing7E7 : We'll see if this question is asked again in about 10 years. My hunch is the question will be... Why is ONT so busy.
31 AADC10 : Huh? What is B6's twice daily ONT-JFK? The transcons are already back. LAX has been socked in on rare occasions and passengers have to make the rest
32 D950 : One of the reasons I stopped using ONT was that the rental car firms started adding a "surcharge" to the daily rental fee, no thanks.
33 Goldenshield : This is LAWA's indirect way of telling you that it's cheaper to fly into and out of LAX.
34 LACA773 : What was the reason HA eliminated their HNL-ONT-HNL service? How is AM doing at ONT?
35 Goldenshield : From what I understand, LAWA wanted to up the rates to some exorbatant amount, and HA couldn't afford it with the loads they had.
36 UA747400 : It just seems that UA in particular has only TED which flies to DEN and LAS, plus the connection flight to LAX, however these are the only flights ava
37 Goldenshield : Just DEN. Plus 8 flights a day to LAX
38 Ha763 : Plain and simple, the loads were very low. HA went from daily service to 4x weekly. They even moved the LAS tag on from LAX to ONT, but still couldn'
39 PROSA : Rather surprising ... on my one and only trip to the area a couple of years ago, I noticed a huge number of businesses in the ONT area. And it's cert
40 UA747400 : Yes, I understand that there are two daily JetBlue flights to NYC, but that is only one destination, what about places such as BOS, or PHL. Couldn't U
41 HPRamper : Will the Riverside Airport ever be expanded? From what I've read they have plenty of room for more traffic and tenants. Right now I understand it's ma
42 Lightsaber : Welcome! It wasn't that long ago I started. Good point Travelin man. The "rule of thumb" is that an airport should be built for the expected growth 1
43 N1120A : You can easily land and take off the A380, and there is ramp space for it too. ONT will very likely see the aircraft over at the UPS ramp BOS and PHL
44 Coronado990 : Bonanza Air Lines flew F-27s into RAL back in the 1960s. However, I think you will see RIV (March) developed into a commercial airport before RAL, wh
45 Junction : Bingo! I'm glad someone else noticed this. A lot of business travelers are undoubtedly taking note of this and just using LAX or SNA to be done with
46 Post contains images N1120A : Of course I realize that, but that was never ONT's primary purpose. I agree that LAX needs the West gates, more cargo facilities and a fifth runway d
47 UA747400 : Wasn't UA planning to fly direct to SFO from ONT, are they going to still go through with that?
48 Goldenshield : I haven't heard anything. As far as I know, it's just an idea by us on A.net.
49 RampRat74 : TED will have two nonstops starting in September. One 7am, and one 7pm.
50 SFOMEX : I don't see Azteca Airlines MEX-ONT flight in your list. I thought it was a daily one, but I may be wrong.
51 LACA773 : How is AM doing out of ONT? Any chance they may increase service? Anyone know if AQ has thought about picking up HA's dropped route? Have a good day e
52 Sonic67 : Any one know why the two terminals aren't linked together with a bridge or tram? I know you can catch a shuttle bus or walk but it still seems unusual
53 Post contains links Goldenshield : They are planning on building a terminal 3 and 5 in the future. Here are some interesting concepts: http://www.ontmasterplan.org/publications.cfm
54 UA747400 : It states in one of the slides of the plans that there is to be an International Terminal, does this mean that flights to Europe, Asia are expected, a
55 Goldenshield : If you are talking about the existing conditions, yes, there is already an international terminal. Currently, it is used for inbounds only. The outbou
56 Post contains links UA747400 : Yes, I know that there are plenty of flights to Mexico and that there is an international but it is part of Terminal 2, however, in the plans for the
57 Goldenshield : Seperate terminal, yes, but for international flights, it does not say; however, the base design for it would prove useful for sticking customs under
58 UA747400 : If you look at the bottom of the slide and look under terminals it states the International Terminal as T3, on the map it is yellow and slightly to th
59 Goldenshield : That is the existing international terminal.
60 UA747400 : What is the largest aircraft that the International terminal can handle?
61 Goldenshield : I've seen it used for 747's, L-1011's, DC-8's, A300's, and DC-10's, to name a few, when Evergreen was doing it's Christmas mail contract.
62 UA747400 : Are any airlines looking at adding flights to ONT, domestic or international. Any plans for Europe or Asia?
63 Apodino : I remember growing up as a kid and using ONT often with relatives who lived in the area in places like Chino and Rialto. One of the things I found uni
64 UA747400 : No, What I said was that there was a nonstop 727 flight from ONT-PHL on UA Thanks
65 N1120A : It is no big deal, as they are not far apart No, that is the rhelm of LAX. Mexican carriers seem to have found ONT useful lately. AC is rumored to be
66 Apodino : I know that. It was actually a separate terminal IIRC. I never used it and never flew Delta in there, so all my memories are of the old terminal at H
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