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Qantas A380s Delayed Till 2007  
User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 35
Posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8426 times:

"DELIVERY of Qantas's new flagship double-decker super-jumbo will be delayed by at least six months because of problems at European manufacturer Airbus, damaging the carrier's aim to be the best on the Pacific route.

"The shock news comes less than two months after the Europeans trumpeted the successful maiden flight of the plane and two weeks before they go to battle with rival Boeing at the Paris airshow.

"Airbus representatives delivered the bad news to Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon during the International Air Transport Associations annual general meeting in Tokyo this week.

"The Australian understands delays apply to all aircraft in the A380 program and will also hit deliveries to Singapore Airlines and Emirates, leaving the manufacturer open to substantial penalties.

"We've expressed our disappointment to them," Mr Dixon said last night. "We now want to sit down and make sure the new timetable is met and our people work closely with them to meet this deadline."

"Mr Dixon said Airbus gave a variety of reasons for the delay, including difficulties in customising the A380 for individual airlines.

"Qantas has a tight contract specifying delivery times of aircraft, and Mr Dixon confirmed last night there were penalties for delays and Qantas would seek compensation."


http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au.../0,5744,15470824%255E23349,00.html

Can there now be any reasonable doubt that the A380 is a commercial disaster, and that EADS/Airbus are in serious financial trouble?

[Edited 2005-06-01 05:26:06]


"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards.." - Leonardo da Vinci
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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9633 posts, RR: 68
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8385 times:
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Can there now be any reasonable doubt that the A380 is a commercial disaster, and that EADS/Airbus are in serious financial trouble?

Yes, the program is delayed, same as other commercial flops like the 73NG, the 777, and A330/340. Sell all your EADS shares, the sky is falling.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8370 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Thread starter):
"Qantas has a tight contract specifying delivery times of aircraft, and Mr Dixon confirmed last night there were penalties for delays and Qantas would seek compensation.

from the given price from various media of the QF purchasing the The WhaleJet for $140-$160 million, maybe they are going to get them for $120 million each now....(ok..i'm being a smart alec), but it does seem like a problem for Airbus, and I think this weight issue problem is not going to go away for now...that being said, I'm quite positive Airbus will solve this problem.



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8368 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Thread starter):
Can there now be any reasonable doubt that the A380 is a commercial disaster, and that EADS/Airbus are in serious financial trouble?

Doubt will be only among those intent on believing what they want to believe. Among the reasonable, there is no room for doubt.


User currently offlineZeekiel From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8353 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Thread starter):
Can there now be any reasonable doubt that the A380 is a commercial disaster, and that EADS/Airbus are in serious financial trouble?

I wouldn't call it that, but it is a setback to the program. Airbus would definately be paying compensation for the delays, mainly due to the airtight contracts the airlines and Airbus signed.

Airbus better get its act together to:

1) Make sure that future customers do not get turned off potential problems with the A380.

2) Make sure they are not paying heavy compensation to airlines.

Damn, no A380 flights between MEL-LAX end of 2006.

Cheers

Zeekiel

[Edited 2005-06-01 05:32:08]

User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8312 times:

IMO, "PIP" are likely the letters which will be most closely associated with the A388.

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8289 times:

Quoting Zeekiel (Reply 4):
no A380 flights between MEL-LAX end of 2006.

MEL-LAX would be tough market for the WhaleJet anytime. UA pulled out because their break-even load factor was over 100%. That was when fuel was cheap. The B747Adv might be able to squeeze out a little profit on MEL-LAX, but the WhaleJet?? Most doubtful. The WhaleJet's CASM is too high. The only OZ-US route for which the WhaleJet may make commercial sense is SYD-LAX.


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8210 times:

I loved that bit about "We've expressed our disappointment to them...."

Translation into colloquial Australian available on request  Smile



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 977 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8192 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Thread starter):

Can there now be any reasonable doubt that the A380 is a commercial disaster, and that EADS/Airbus are in serious financial trouble?

They are in no danger, at this time, of losing solvency or the ability to field new products.

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 1):

Yes, the program is delayed, same as other commercial flops like the 73NG, the 777, and A330/340. Sell all your EADS shares, the sky is falling.

Don't kid yourself: Airbus isn't peaches and cream at the moment, they've more than proven mortal. The A388 will likely turn a profit, but not in anything of a timely matter. The bar of profitability keeps getting moved further back and now (2005) isn't a time for sitting around waiting for return.


User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8170 times:

I don't understand how this is news. We already knew about a roughly six-month delay in delivery to SQ and EK, so it was more than obvioust that there would be similar stories with other airlines. The only 'news' here is that Qantas have made some statements and shown that they intend to e re-imbursed which, again, we could already have concluded.

I'm not suggesting that there aren't problems with the A380, but it's beyond me how people on this board could think that this story is disastrous 'news'... There's really nothing new here, so what's the purpose of raising the alarm...again? I suppose we have our answer if we just look at who the thread poster is.



Next flight.... who knows.
User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3642 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8157 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 6):
MEL-LAX would be tough market for the WhaleJet anytime. UA pulled out because their break-even load factor was over 100%. That was when fuel was cheap. The B747Adv might be able to squeeze out a little profit on MEL-LAX, but the WhaleJet?? Most doubtful. The WhaleJet's CASM is too high. The only OZ-US route for which the WhaleJet may make commercial sense is SYD-LAX.

And QF has publicly stated that MEL-LAX-MEL would be the first routes for the 380s.



PHX based
User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8141 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 8):
They are in no danger, at this time, of losing solvency or the ability to field new products.

They're going to have to borrow big, though. At the rumoured price of $150M. for the first batch (say 50 frames) that's say $7.5 billion which won't be flowing in in 2006.

Or, in other words, about twice EADS' normal annual profit?



"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards.." - Leonardo da Vinci
User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8098 times:

Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 9):
I don't understand how this is news. We already knew about a roughly six-month delay in delivery to SQ and EK

Have to disagree, Jean. This story says the delay will be until 'at least' April 2007. So there are still no firm delivery dates.



"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards.." - Leonardo da Vinci
User currently offlinePlaneSmart From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 930 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8053 times:

The launch customer discount is a reward the manufacturer grants for increased risk, which is accepted by early customers. For example, most performance guarantees and delivery dates include tolerances. For launch customers, these tolerances are larger than for an aircraft in or close to production.

Not all launch customers will have the same guarantees or penalties. These are related to the size of the order, value of the customer connection and the skills of the negotiators. Singapore will almost certainly have a better deal than Qantas.

The problems for A are twofold. One, A & B are increasingly forgetting that launch discounts should be win win. They have tended to become deep discounts for customers, without the corresponding performance tolerances for the manufacturer. And second, many of the current 'orders' are more like options, with detailed contract negotiations still taking place. This places customers in an extremely strong bargaining position.

B fans shouldn't get too excited with A's plight. B has exactly the same exposure with the 787, with the exception of AirNZ, no airline will part with a serious deposit and finalise contracts until much closer to first flight.


User currently offlineQF744 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8047 times:

Here is an official statement from Qantas just released...

In the statement, Geoff Dixon said Qantas would "bring forward the delivery of other aircraft on order"...

What current orders do Qantas have that could be used for long-haul?

QF744


Qantas today confirmed that the delivery of its first A380 would be delayed by six months as a result of manufacturing issues at Airbus.
The Chief Executive Officer of Qantas, Mr Geoff Dixon, said the airline was now scheduled to take delivery of the first of its 12 new A380 aircraft in April 2007.
“This is disappointing, given that we have met all of Airbus’ deadlines for Qantas specifications, however we are developing contingency plans to ensure there is no impact on our schedules or available capacity during the six month delay.”
Mr Dixon said possible contingencies under discussion included deferring the retirement of a number of aircraft, redirecting capacity, and bringing forward the delivery of other aircraft on order.
Mr Dixon said that all airlines with early A380 orders were in the same situation, and that Airbus had advised that the deliveries would be made in the same sequence with the same time differentials.
“We will be working closely with Airbus to ensure the new deadline is met,” Mr Dixon said.
He said Qantas would also be seeking compensation from Airbus in line with the terms of its contract.



IT'S ALL ABOUT THE UPPER DECK
User currently offlineZeekiel From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8003 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 6):
MEL-LAX would be tough market for the WhaleJet anytime.

Not necessarily. MEL upgraded the runway for the A380 and Qantas on top of their daily QF93/94 services, they operate QF103/104 once weekly. I'm not sure if the lack of extra QF services is due to the lack of demand or lack of available equipment as their 744 fleet is stretched quite fairly.

Quoting 777STL (Reply 10):
And QF has publicly stated that MEL-LAX-MEL would be the first routes for the 380s.

Right on there mate.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 6):
UA pulled out because their break-even load factor was over 100%. That was when fuel was cheap.

I don't know where you got that information from. UA still operates the UA840/839 MEL-LAX service as a one stop service via Sydney. If you mean they pulled out of the non-stop service or the via AKL service then I understand. But more than 100% load factors required? I'm not sure if thats true either.

QF currently has a good advantage on this route operating a non-stop service using their ER and upgraded RB211 744 aircraft.

Cheers

Zeekiel

[Edited 2005-06-01 06:56:34]

User currently offlineDhefty From United States of America, joined May 2005, 599 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7916 times:

Quoting PlaneSmart (Reply 13):
B fans shouldn't get too excited with A's plight. B has exactly the same exposure with the 787, with the exception of AirNZ, no airline will part with a serious deposit and finalise contracts until much closer to first flight.

What are your sources for such a statement? Boeing is receiving standard non-refundable down payments upon signing of a firm contract. At that time they then list it as a firm order on their website. Progress payments are made as the delivery date approaches. Penalties could be imposed on Boeing, per contractual verbiage, if the aircraft does not meet its guarantees.


User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3523 posts, RR: 66
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7871 times:

Quoting PlaneSmart (Reply 13):
For example, most performance guarantees and delivery dates include tolerances.

Except Airbus has taken the tact of making zero tolerance guarantees in most of their competitions in an effort to win orders. They evidently look on the penalties for a missed guarantee as a cost of doing business.



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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 35
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7837 times:

Quoting QF744 (Reply 14):
What current orders do Qantas have that could be used for long-haul?

QFA744, bringing orders forward was only mentioned as 'possible'. If Qantas does have any longhauls on order they must be Airbus; Boeing's order site only lists 9X737s outstanding for Qantas.

Unless Qantas uses any longhauls on domestic or more local routes at present, and could switch things around if they got the 737s earlier?

[Edited 2005-06-01 07:22:52]


"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards.." - Leonardo da Vinci
User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7794 times:

 Yeah sure

Oh, I believe there are 3 outstanding A330-300's... or it might be 2. Not sure.



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User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7769 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Thread starter):
Can there now be any reasonable doubt that the A380 is a commercial disaster, and that EADS/Airbus are in serious financial trouble?

That's sarcasm, right? Otherwise one more proof for your desperate paranoia-like attempts to make everyone believe Airbus is close to death. But the only result from your continuous ridiculous comments will be a further loss of your credibility...  melting 

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 3):
Doubt will be only among those intent on believing what they want to believe. Among the reasonable, there is no room for doubt.

The question is who you are talking about...the guys who don't have any single piece of insider knowledge about a major aviation company but still think they are in a position to make smart judgements from what they read on a.net?  bigthumbsup 

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 6):
MEL-LAX would be tough market for the WhaleJet anytime. UA pulled out because their break-even load factor was over 100%. That was when fuel was cheap. The B747Adv might be able to squeeze out a little profit on MEL-LAX, but the WhaleJet?? Most doubtful.

And where do you get that from? Your imagination? "Most doubtful" is what your comments could advertise with...  thumbsup 

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 6):
The only OZ-US route for which the WhaleJet may make commercial sense is SYD-LAX.

*YAWN*

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 7):
I loved that bit about "We've expressed our disappointment to them...."

What should they have said? "We are happy?"



Regards
Udo


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 35
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7733 times:

Quoting Udo (Reply 20):
What should they have said? "We are happy?"

Just a JOKE, Udo old mate. It's a safe bet that, in Australian business circles, the actual language used was a fair bit more colourful than 'We wish to express our disappointment.'  Smile



"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards.." - Leonardo da Vinci
User currently offlineMark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7673 times:

NAV20--It's a safe bet that, in Australian business circles, the actual language used was a fair bit more colourful than 'We wish to express our disappointment.'  

As opposed to say "NAV20 wishes to express his utter glee on a.net"  Smile


User currently offlineZeekiel From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7651 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 21):
Just a JOKE, Udo old mate.

Waiting for the larrikin to jump out...

Cheers

Zeekiel


User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7481 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Thread starter):
Can there now be any reasonable doubt that the A380 is a commercial disaster, and that EADS/Airbus are in serious financial trouble?

Wayyyyyy to early to be predicting any gloom & doom for the A380, right now it is an airplane that is being delayed. Now, of course, if Airbus starts talking of additional delays on top of the already announced delays, that is another story. Also, the airlines are still hanging in there awaiting deliveries of the A380, when airlines start to talk of cancelling orders, once again, another story.



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25 Ikramerica : I get it, even if these hypersensitive blokes seem to be missing it. I'd just like to hear your take on what was really said. Aussies and Brits alway
26 777ER : *YAWN* Sounds like Udo needs some sleep
27 Sebolino : May I propose you as the financial analyst of the year ?
28 Post contains images Udo : Nothing's better than Zvezda's goodnight stories... Regards Udo[Edited 2005-06-01 10:28:02]
29 Aussie747 : There are only 8 x 738's and 3 x A333's all to be deliverd by DEC 2005 with the last A333 in MAR 2006. Perhaps we could see QF place an order for one
30 Carpethead : There will be knock on effect to customers taking A380s in early 2007 too. So the A380 will be at least 6 months behind, assuming a smooth test flight
31 PM : I'm afraid your problem is that people read a ludicrous statement like that, gasp, then see its origin and say, "Oh, it's only NAV20 again..." Elsewh
32 Antares : NAV20, Have a Bex and a good lie down. You didn't think the jet would take off at all. You seem terrified of the future. Hey I'm older than you. I've
33 Ikramerica : but it is like, 12 generations of fruit fly, more or less
34 Industrybuff : Antares has truely won my respect
35 Stall : Mine too !!!
36 Zvezda : If the runway at MEL has been extended, then I withdraw my statements. I was relying on old information. UA WHQ. I meant the nonstop. I apologize for
37 Post contains images Udo : Antares, one of the best posts I have read on a.net - and makes certain posters on this board just look silly. Regards Udo
38 MauriceB : wow antares making a usefull reply! lol
39 Leskova : Thank you for putting things into perspective... ... and I agree: your post is certainly one of the best I've ever read on airliners.net. Regards, Fra
40 Gigneil : What exactly is the A380's CASM, Zvezda? N
41 Post contains images Biggles : Amazing,uplifting post !! You deserve this...
42 Post contains images MrNiji : I join the choir.. amazing, Antares!
43 Antares : Thanks all, I started off loving boats and steam trains (and still do) and then came flight. I'm sure we all like that whatever our occasional disagre
44 PlaneSmart : 'Standard' in terms of the definition of an order in 1980 or 2005? B holds final, detailed contracts for all 'ordered' 787's, including delivery and
45 Post contains images Zvezda : Exactly 0.22784598037895474984875 LTL. Well, maybe not exactly, but rounded off to the nearest 0.00000000000000000000001 LTL. Of course, that may var
46 Monteycarlos : I would not go as far as to say that NAV20 doesn't know what he is talking about in the business arena, that I am certain that he does. Very true, wh
47 Post contains images FlyAUA : I already knew what this was about when I saw the thread title and poster! Anyways, here I go: If you really think it's a commercial disaster and the
48 NumberTwelve : Yes, there can. Sorry, NAV20, you're blind on one eye. Antares: "You [NAV20] didn't think the jet would take off at all. " Good one, Antares. Nav20,
49 QFA001 : However, QF did. Yet, their airplanes will be delayed by six months. Buyer Furnished Equipment doesn't prevent the delivery of an airplane to an airl
50 Post contains images FlyAUA : That's true, and I am happy for Qantas, but they are not the launch customer, and since this thing is a "group effort" on the airlines part, if aircr
51 WINGS : Lets not get carried away by a delayed delivery date. The important issue which Airbus has to face is meeting its performance targets, and a smooth in
52 RayChuang : I think Airbus is actually smart to delay the European JAA/US FAA certification of the A380-800 to early Fall 2006. After all, the A388 introduces a l
53 PM : I've no doubt you're right but they'll get over it if the end product is worth waiting for. What would seriously damage the A380 is if it doesn't del
54 Dhefty : Certainly there are escape clauses, and penalties for delays, penalties for performance shortcomings, as well as financing considerations. However, t
55 Thunder9 : Ray - I see that in your original post, you italicized 'lot.' What are some of the new technologies being introduced? I was under the impression that
56 Daedaeg : Oh my there are delays? This isn't surprising at all. Well look on the bright side. Now airports will have more time to make all the necessary modific
57 MidnightMike : Smart? That is a strange choice of words, Airbus is delaying the A380 because they have no choice. As far as introducing new technologies, none will
58 Zvezda : GLARE and higher pressure hydraulics. I think it's also the first to have a (partially) composite wing box.
59 FlyAUA : I think he/she meant the new technologies incorporated into the A380 that don't exist on other aircraft at the moment, NOT last-minute modifications.
60 Cedarjet : The Australian is the most biased, right-wing, anti-Europe, pro-America newspaper anywhere in the world. It's the Washington Times without the redeemi
61 B707Stu : True Antares. Nice posting. Now here's the cynical part of me. Scenario 1: 6 months is the outside timeframe. They'll deliver quicker and call it tre
62 MidnightMike : If that is indeed true, then I stand corrected.. Mike
63 AirFrnt : Guys, As shocking as it may sound, this is not completly surprising. One of the engine varients for the 777 had the exact same problem and caused a de
64 Gigneil : And how could you possibly know that? N
65 Sydscott : I dont think you'll see orders for new aircraft or anything of that sort. Geoffrey will need to potentially delay retirements of some aircraft but th
66 Post contains images QFA001 : If it was the A380 customer's fault for the delay then those same customers would not be demanding compensation from Airbus for the delay. Also, QF i
67 Ruscoe : In my opinion the delayed cash flow ( at what maybe $150 million, a piece) will be more important for Airbus than penalties or interest. Ruscoe
68 Brons2 : Wow, I am in awe of your skills. Will she be an FA, or a passenger? Anyways, back on topic, I think NAV20 is just trying to pull all your chains and
69 Antares : Hey Brons2...I wish. I meant to say Foxtel, which is a cable tv operator here who will provide the content to Virgin Blue. Antares
70 PlaneSmart : Before detailed contracts are finalised for an aircraft model not even flying yet, how much do airlines pay by way of deposit to support their order?
71 Post contains images QANTASforever : Would you just stop it? We've heard it all before MANY MANY times. (I do agree with you though ) QFF
72 Harry : this is so sad, i hope airbus will explain to the public what is going on...
73 Gigneil : The public doesn't really care and it is a matter between Airbus and the customers. Every major airliner to date has slipped in time just a bit. The 7
74 Post contains images NAV20 : I love you too, Cedarjet. In point of fact the Australian, as far as I know, is the only daily which has a full-time aviation reporter. I check Steve
75 Post contains images Jet-lagged : Sh** . . . I would be happy with just an aisle seat and nobody sitting next to me. Nice writing though. You are comparing cash flow and profit. If 50
76 NAV20 : Generally agree, Jet-lagged, I said they'd have to 'borrow big'. But the shortfall will probably be more - the delay is currently described as being '
77 Jet-lagged : Yeah, right. What they'll say: "Here's the deal. France and Netherlands just voted 'no'. What better display of Europe united than Airbus? And, by th
78 QANTASforever : "Mr Dixon said possible contingencies under discussion included deferring the retirement of a number of aircraft, redirecting capacity, and bringing f
79 Dynkrisolo : The 777 was not late. It was certified in April of 1995, delivered in May, entered into service in June. That's was on schedule as planned, less than
80 Leelaw : IIRC, wasn't there a significant delay with the introduction of the GE90 powered 772A, perhaps this is what Gigneil is referring too?
81 Dynkrisolo : IIRC, there was a two-month delay, but the delay was caused by the engine, not caused by Boeing's own problem. Also, IIRC, the Trent 800 powered 772
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