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Onur Air Incident... Again!  
User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2491 posts, RR: 25
Posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8867 times:

according to the dutch TV channel a Onur air plane is leaking fuel....


will this take Onur Air down for sure?

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User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8813 times:

Well, let's be careful with this message and other similar ones coming up in the near future. For sure, the medias are waiting like hungry lions for another Onur Air incident. I think best and most objective will be to wait and see, what the authorities are going to communicate about Onur Air.

User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4277 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8788 times:

It seems to be a flight from EIN to AYT, with an Airbus A321! Passengers all disembarked the plane while engines were already running... Dutch authorities now investigate this case

On board 138 pax + 5 crew

Rgds
Eric

[Edited 2005-06-01 15:03:56]


"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2491 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8757 times:

It seems to be a flight from EIN to AYT, with an Airbus A321! Passengers all disembarked the plane while engines were already running... Dutch authorities now investigate this case

ouch!!! didn't they just recenly received an award from airbus for being the best A321 operator?


User currently offlineAirKas1 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 4030 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8597 times:

I was in the car when I heard the news on the radio... I was like "Oh no, not again".

I know this kind of thing can happen to every airline, but Onur Air seems to have a lot of "bad luck" recently. I hope they'll keep on flying to Holland, but they can't afford more mistakes I think.

Kas


User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8571 times:

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 3):
ouch!!! didn't they just recenly received an award from airbus for being the best A321 operator?

I doubt they are the best operator of any aircraft  Wink



Not drinking, also isn't a solution!
User currently offlineCanberra From Denmark, joined Apr 2004, 310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8556 times:

Big deal, safety procedures in place and everybody OK.

It is amassing even aviation enthusiasts participate in this media campaign (supported by Dutch authorities and Dutch charter airlines?) against Onur.

Would fly them any day without any worries.

All the best, Michael



It takes courage to push things forward . . (Mo Mowlam)
User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8521 times:

Quoting AirKas1 (Reply 4):
but Onur Air seems to have a lot of "bad luck" recently

Er...funny how all the "bad luck" only happens to the airlines who are getting done for slack safety standards.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineGVBIG From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8466 times:

Err...this happens to every airline. Should all airlines be grounded then?  Yeah sure


Booked it, Packed it, f*cked off!
User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8449 times:

Quoting AirKas1 (Reply 4):
Onur Air seems to have a lot of "bad luck" recently.

Safety is not achieved by "luck", it is achieved by having good maintenance, a no-blame safety culture, and efficient crew resource management...

...ok ok, and maybe a very teensy weensy bit of luck Big grin

[Edited 2005-06-01 16:34:40]


Not drinking, also isn't a solution!
User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8410 times:

This is just "sensationalist" journalism... they are waiting like a hungry Lion for a prey, like Legacy135 said.

We should chill down. All aircrafts have spills. Even the Concorde. Are airplanes grounded for leaking lav "liquid" (greenish stuff)? I think not. So let's wait for more news to come. I guess this will be a big smack for Onur Air, since their public reputation will become even worse. - GP (general public) will feel bad and authorities, will obviously rush to ban Onur again, not to lose their supporters.  no 


Cheers! wave 
Gastón - The MD-11 Junkie



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3188 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8404 times:

Every airline sometimes has incidents. While having good maintainance, well-trained crews, etc., there is always a risk for an incident. All airlines have them. However, with Onur air, thse incidents seem to occur quite often. There has no real accident been yet, but the frequency of incidents is evidently above average. When the line between "incidents" to "regularities" has been crossed, should you just wait for a fatal accident? Some say that it's all about politics - but isn't it all about safety and human lifes?

User currently offlineGVBIG From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8397 times:

Maybe they dislike the Dutch  Wink
I havent heard of incidents with OHY flights to/from the UK personally, anybody?



Booked it, Packed it, f*cked off!
User currently offlineMD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2661 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8390 times:

I agree, big deal!

So it is leaking oil.....which is essentially what jet fuel is when it is NOT in the high pressure, high temperature environment inside a jet engine's compressors.

 banghead 


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8388 times:

I hope Onur look carefully at what is being suggested/implied by these Dutch journalist. I hope a member of Onur's legal team is watching the words of journalists very carefull and is ready to mount legal action if needed.

User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8363 times:

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 14):
I hope Onur look carefully at what is being suggested/implied by these Dutch journalist. I hope a member of Onur's legal team is watching the words of journalists very carefull and is ready to mount legal action if needed.

How can Onur deny that the report is inaccurate? The incident at EIN happened

Quoting Legacy135 (Reply 1):
I think best and most objective will be to wait and see, what the authorities are going to communicate about Onur Air.

They've send a team of three IVW inspectors to EIN and informed the Turkish CAA about the incident. Onur seems to have send their own technicians to EIN.


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3188 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8319 times:

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 14):
I hope Onur look carefully at what is being suggested/implied by these Dutch journalist. I hope a member of Onur's legal team is watching the words of journalists very carefull and is ready to mount legal action if needed.

What are you talking about?? What should Dutch journalists imply or suggest? What article? What TV emission? Please, share it.

The articles I read about it, are all just mentioning facts. Nothing to mount er sue about.

Some parts of the article on nu.nl: ( http://www.nu.nl/news/534677/10/Weer...blemen_met_vliegtuig_Onur_Air.html )

they state that:

- again problems with Onur - yes, the word 'again' can be used.
- a part of the fuel tank inlet connection was broken, according to inspection
- the cause of the error hasn't been determined yet
- no danger for passengers
- no panic on board
- director of EIN saw the incident happen

Next to that, they have quotes from Onur manager Aksak:
- bad maintainence is not an issue

And an Onur lawyer:
- the airplane was subject to strict italian inspection - it is also under strict inspection there
- The airplane returned from heavy maintaince on the 8th of may

A Volkskrant article ( http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/1117605212313.html ) is almost the same, it all comes from ANP (press agency)

Where do you see a suggestion about something?

And why do so many people think it's just a political move? Should the inspection just cease it activities? And: is safety less important to politics?

By the way, the inspection is publishing the lists of problems found during inspections on-line on www.ivw.nl. So everybody can draw it's own conclusions wheter to fly the airline.


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8272 times:

Well I like Onur and would love to ride on their MD88s. I trust the airline more than i trust the EU and many of the people of certain EU countries who are voting no in referendums partly to keep the lovley Turks out the EU.

I mean Turkish has felt it had to buy 321s, they deserve to be let in the EU for adding 321s. I mean in a hot/high environment like Turkey is the 321 really a good performer?


User currently offlinePlanespotterx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8201 times:

Im not familiar with Onur Air, why does this airline have such a bad reputation?, ive never heard of any crashes by them or incidents on the news.
Could someone enlighten me to any past incidents.


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8136 times:

Quoting Planespotterx (Reply 18):
Im not familiar with Onur Air, why does this airline have such a bad reputation?

Didn't you watch the forum in the past few weeks? Onur Air was banned in several European countries because of "safety problems".

Look here:

Last Warning For Onur Air (by OO-VEG May 7 2005 in Civil Aviation)

Onur Air Banned In Switzerland (by RootsAir May 14 2005 in Civil Aviation)

Onur Air Banned In France (by FlySSC May 14 2005 in Civil Aviation)

Belgium Is Also Banning Onur Air A/C (by FraT May 19 2005 in Civil Aviation)

Onur Also Banned In Germany? (by LJ May 12 2005 in Civil Aviation)

Patrick


User currently offlineVirgin744 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8128 times:

Quoting Joost (Reply 16):
- a part of the fuel tank inlet connection was broken, according to inspection

So, for argument sake, if a foreign airport operator brakes something on an Onur plane, throws the broken piece away so s/he doesnt get in trouble and on a later routing that the plane is found to be faulty, what then? Where does responsibility lay? Obviously all airlines have to mend their broken planes but they will obviously want to recoup costs especially when its an airport worker to blame and NOT the airline....

So, regardless of which airport worker damages a plane they will obviously not bother about it if its minor damage and will probably be advised by their bosses about the possible load of paperwork and insurance claim forms that will need to be filled in, so I can easily understand how people dont report these incidents and wait for someone else to spot and raise it instead.

virgin744


User currently offlineN774UA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 8076 times:

Well I like Onur and would love to ride on their MD88s. I trust the airline more than i trust the EU and many of the people of certain EU countries who are voting no in referendums partly to keep the lovley Turks out the EU.

I smell some political frustration.  covereyes 

N774UA



...follow his instructions, switch off at the stand.
User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days ago) and read 8003 times:

Quoting N774UA (Reply 21):
I smell some political frustration.

Please come on..... some politically motivated activists drilling holes in the wing to make them leaking the fuel???
As I wrote in a former post, let's no wait and see what the experts are going to find out. There are so many possibilities for fuel spilling out of the wing. It does not need to be Onur Airs fault at all...... it can be their fault...... it can be coincidence.... We should now relay in serious reporting with facts and there are quite a couple of them in previous posts.
Bye the way, what does it the EU help if Onur Air goes down the drain? I am sure they want them to go on flying and sell them more Airbus's. If you think that the EU wants to drive some Turkish carriers out of business, then they should attack all the Boeing operators, but they don't. So?


User currently offlineN774UA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days ago) and read 7944 times:

Please come on..... some politically motivated activists drilling holes in the wing to make them leaking the fuel???

No, that is not what I meant. I was referring to Virgin744's statement.

Regards
N774UA



...follow his instructions, switch off at the stand.
User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7862 times:

The pax on the aircraft are/have been bussed to AMS to catch a flight to Antalya (probably flight OHY 300).

25 Prok : Only incident I'm aware of: June 17th 2003 they overran the runway at EHGG. Probable cause: Stabilizer trim not set for take off but trimmed nose dow
26 Post contains images BoogyJay : I was thinking the same thing. Like Legacy135, I think we have to wait the investigations and to be very careful until people have been found to be g
27 Post contains links 1stspotter : A movie showing jet fuel coming out as a stream from the righthand wing can be seen here http://www.omroepbrabant.nl/resource...ewsfolder=38&news=4543
28 L410Turbolet : Is this some sort of infection of naivety spreading through the a.net or is it just that the pro-Airbus cheerleading prevents you from sane thinking?
29 Pilotaydin : I'd like to read something in English about this, first. NEXT, i'd like to wait until something official as to the cause is announced. It could have
30 HR001 : This proves what a lot of people said on the other thread that things cannot change in a few days, If Onur had changed procedures, things like this sh
31 Post contains images Canberra : As Pilotaydin said, lets see if it is Onur's fault before we start blameing /Michael
32 LJ : Maybe if some Turkish charter airlines try to get out of the media and start thinking about how to prevent receiving warnings from the IVW (this week
33 AirKas1 : I know, I just didn't want to bring up the maintenance issue because I thought I would get flamed for it.
34 HR001 : Thanks for the info, I stand corrected.
35 IsuA380B777 : Hi all Any photos of this leaking air craft?? Regards Isu
36 AMSSFO : " target=_blank>http://www.omroepbrabant.nl/resource...=1408 Why do you need a picture if you have a movie? It's an amateur video, so not very stable
37 AirxLiban : What kind of BS is that? does MEA deserve to be in Europe doo, or US Airways for that matter? Even if Onur Air added A321s for the sake of sucking di
38 Post contains images A3xx900 : LoL... errrrr? Well, I had the pleasure to ride on some of their planes (A321, A320, A300, if I remember correctly). I never had the impression that
39 Post contains links BuyantUkhaa : This page shows photos of the fuel spill: http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2...roblemen_met_toestel_Onur_Air.html Click on the pics to enlarge them
40 Icelandair : Don't know about the safety issues but I flew Onur Air four times now, and two of the flights had unscheduled stops. One was for technical reasons (no
41 OHLHD : Well, to be honest, they receive much more attention d/t the latest probelms they had because everybody has an eye on them, but i do not defend them.
42 An225 : I wonder what this would do to their business in Israel. After the incidents in Europe a leading Israeli newspaper (Yediot Ah'ronot) splashed the stor
43 An225 : Not for sure, but this is not giving them any credit either This looks bad. I wonder what they will find after the investigation
44 7LBAC111 : Orion is oft' incapable of sane/methodical and rational thinking. 7LBAC111
45 Post contains links and images AMSSFO : Aircraft involved is TC-OAP, recently leased from ILFC, MSN 604 last flown for Pacific Airlines (Vietnam) View Large View MediumPhoto © Anthony C
46 MD11Engineer : Ok, I wouldn´t fly with MNG. I´ve seen the guys in action (maintenancewise) and it scared the hell out of me. I will not go into details due to lega
47 Virgin744 : Maybe thats the reason for the leak - if the electronics were faulty, the plane could have been overfilled by the ground staff and the crew were not
48 Bennett123 : Clearly there will need to be an investigation. However, Onur Air seems to be very unlucky at present. Also bear in mind that whilst they may have les
49 HAWK21M : Hows that possible.The Step ladders/Aerobridge is positioned after Shutdown. regds MEL
50 Diesel1 : David Peach Air wasn't an airline in the strictest sense, and never failed or went bust. The 737s were operated by Sabre Airways, and the Tristars by
51 Post contains images MD11Engineer : I once heard a funny story from an old instructor during my B737NG course. He told us that back then he was working as a MX supervisor for a not long
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