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A 777 Family Question  
User currently offlineIFLYDELTAJETS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (14 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1475 times:

It is an elementary question, but are there any exterior differences which distinguish a 777-200 from a 777-200ER and/or a 777-200IGW?

Many thanks!

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User currently offlineIahcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3467 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (14 years 7 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1263 times:
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In a word: No.


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User currently offlineGUNDU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (14 years 7 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1226 times:

There is no difference.The 777 are all the same in length.


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User currently offlineWorldTraveller From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 624 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (14 years 7 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1210 times:

Don't they get raked wingtips?
I heard that, but I may be wrong...

Regards


User currently offlineJaemz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 7 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1199 times:

WorldTraveller is right. The 777ERs have raked wingtip extensions.

User currently offline777x From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (14 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1181 times:

No, the 777-200ER (also known as the 777-200IGW) does NOT have raked wingtips, however the new 777-200LR and 777-300ER WILL have raked wingtips

The 777-200 is no longer produced, only 777-200ERs and 777-300's are currently in production, with the 777-200LR and 777-300ER due to start production soon.

Regards
777x


User currently onlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2750 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1158 times:

777x
I hate to contradicte you, but the -200 is definitely still produced. Currently, United has 5 coming down the line, Air China still has 5 to be delivered (4 so far scheduled) and both ANA (5) and JAL (5) still have some on order. These last two can obviouly be switched to other models, but that is how it stands now.

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineEg777er From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 1837 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1149 times:

Why when Boeing were first designing the 777 did they come up with the 'A' Market, 'B' Market, Stretch 'A' and Stretch 'B' vocabulary when calling them ER, ERplus etc. in line with other Boeing a/c?

Would have prevented a lot of confusion!


User currently offline777x From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1142 times:

Apologies, Hamlet69 is right about the 200's still being in production.

777x


User currently offlineYaki1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1134 times:

A and B market refers to interior configuration, international 3 class or domestic 2 class. These are not an officially different models of 777.

User currently onlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2750 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1111 times:

Boeing used the A, B and C designations as a means to identify which aircraft were going to be produced in which order. 'A' refers to the basic -200 plane designed for regional routes. 'B' of course came next, and referred to the -200ER now flying the long-distance sector. Technically, 'B' refers to the increased MTOW of the plane, so along with the -200ER, 'B' also refers to the -300, which uses that same belly tank configuration designed for the -200ER. Now the 'LR' planes are being designed, the 'C' market (ultra-long range) is finally becoming a reality. Basically, the A-C designations were the steady increases in MTOW as the plane matured. Each serving a different need.
Yes, it is definitely confusing. I won't even mention that the 777 was originally designated the 767-X, with various variations.

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineEg777er From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 1837 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1091 times:

Thanks for that informative reply, Hamlet69. I have a book called "21st Century Jet" by Karl Sabbagh - the book of the TV series they made about the 777, but it still confuses me!

In the book the author says that Boeing wanted an aircraft that could end up flying Hong Kong-Europe, over the Pacific, America and Atlantic. Is this now a reality?


User currently onlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2750 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1074 times:

Do you mean taking off from Hong Kong, and flying EAST to go all the way to Europe? I can see no advantages to that, as it would mean flying more than half-way around the world. I'd be really curious as to why an airline would want to go that way. As far as the 777, it can't quite do that, yet.  

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineBacardi182 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1057 times:

the 777-200 and 777-200er are almost the same aircraft except the er can fly a bit further then regular. the 777-300 is a strech of the 777-200 by adding a few plugs somewhere.

a stumpy 777-200

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a streched 777-300

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count the windows if you like, or even the doors  


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BTW- the 777-300 is the 3rd longest airplane in the world, not far behind the 747


User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1053 times:

Hello,

Hamlet67 could you please join me by e-mail to alain.mengus@wanadoo.fr

Could you please tell us more about the former 767X plans?

Best regards,
Alain Mengus


User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1051 times:

The 777-300 is longer than the current 747-400, by about 10 feet I believe.

User currently offlineBacardi182 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1047 times:

but is the 747-400 the longest version of the 747? i think i read that the 747-200 is longer then the 777-300

User currently onlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2750 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1045 times:

Alain,

That will take a little researching. Give me a couple of days, and I'll get back to you on this forum, or on the orders forum, if you wish.

Bacardi182,

Except for the shortened 747-SP, all 747s have the same fuselage length. Only the upper deck length, changed between the variants.

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineYaki1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1040 times:

The fueselage length of the 747 variants is 231' 10" wingspan changed from 195'8" to 211'5" for the -400.

User currently onlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2750 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1017 times:

I finally found the article that I was looking for:

767X Stretch:
Starting in late 1986 to mid-1987, Boeing looked at simply stretching the current 767. Two fuselage plugs totaling 21' 1" were put in. Total 2-class capacity was @ 300. NOTE: In 1997, Boeing went ahead with this aircraft as the 767-400ER!

767X Re-Wing:
Next, Boeing decided to add a new wing as wide as the 747's. Also, they more than doubled the stretch, making the aircraft 226' 8" long, only 5 feet short of the 747. 2-class capacity was @ 340. This design stayed on the boards from the middle of '87 until mid-1988.

767X Aft Double Deck:
Definitely the most radical design to come from Boeing in years, this plane was briefly considered in 1988. Using a modified 767 wing, designers added a simple 9' 2" forward fuselage plug. Then, they slapped a shortened 757 fuselage on top of the aft section of the '67 fuselage. This ungainly bird would have seated @ 355 people, but the design didn't really work.  

767X Stretch II:
Using the modified 767 wing developed for the previous version, engineers added fuselage plugs fore and aft to stretch the length to 224' 3". Again seating around 340 in 2 classes, this design stayed on the boards until late into 1989.

Starting in late 1988, Boeing also began designing a brand new aircraft in case the 767X designs didn't meet with customer satisfaction. By the beginning of 1990, it was decided that this new aircraft was the only viable option (at least according to what the airlines were telling Boeing). So all engineering work was turned toward the 777, and the rest is history!  

Hope this informs as much as it bored some!

Hamlet69



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