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Now Airbus Wants To Reverse The AI Express Order  
User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5790 posts, RR: 47
Posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10387 times:

I guess they are attempting to grow some balls after all the defeats that they've been handed. Doubt that this one will be overturned as well. Boy what a bunch of cry babies!  cry   hissyfit 

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1128480.cms


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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11752 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10357 times:

They really need to let this go already. This isn't the way to do business.

User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3705 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10301 times:
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Jesus let it go already. You lost the order. Move on, stop bitching and try to win the next one. Babies.  crying   hissyfit 


I'd say the the same thing if Boeing was pulling this crap



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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10286 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):
Boy what a bunch of cry babies!

Well said, Boeing have clearly won the order so move on Airbus!!!!  banghead 

Rob!


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10261 times:

Give me a break. Airbus has the argument: 'all our planes are better so anyone choosing a boeing must be doing it for other reasons.' There is no way anyone could choose the 738 over the A320, or the 739 over the A321, or the 73G over the A319, according to A.

That is a stupid argument based on pride, not reality. I guess all the other 73x carriers are throwing money away too. We all know how businesses love to throw money away for fun. Somehow WN and B6 both do well despite competing planes. And WN uses those 73Gs on many of the same kind of routes AI Express will use the 738.

Airbus has the air of a desperate company all of a sudden. It's gone from confident to cocky to fearful in the span of one year.

edit: fixed typo on WN models.

[Edited 2005-06-01 21:27:43]


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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10216 times:

The Airbus communication highlights how the airline started off by evaluating Boeing B737-900 and Airbus A321 for selecting 160-seater aircraft. The A321 was seen as a clear winner in this category... However, A-I decided to go in for B737-800 with 189 seats, far more than what the first configuration envisaged...A-I subsequently started a new evaluation calling bids for aircraft with 150 seats and more and the race was between the A320 and B737-800. While the A320 would have won on a cost-based analysis, the airline chose to place emphasis on additional seats of the B737-800.

I can see why Airbus is not letting go  sarcastic 

Looks like the airline doesn't know what they want themselves!!

But yes it's getting embarrassing, I agree  embarrassed 



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User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9644 posts, RR: 68
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10159 times:
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The A321 was seen as a clear winner in this category (small capacity short range or SCSR) in terms of profitability, performance and overall specifications...

Those LCC's are just flocking to the A321, aren't they?


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 984 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10131 times:

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 5):
While the A320 would have won on a cost-based analysis, the airline chose to place emphasis on additional seats of the B737-800.

Is that not a legitimit reason for AI-Express to choose the 738? It's a bigger airplane by several seat-rows, and if that gives them their jollies, what are you gonna do about it?  Confused


User currently offlinePipoA380 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1594 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10117 times:
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I think that Airbus managers are quite some guys, especially when they sepak in the public. I remember April 27th for the A380s first flight, As CEO Noel Foreard was saying some words to the press like "bullshit" or whatever when talking about B.
Though I prefer Airbus, I have to agree that this story is annoying, and that they'd better be concentrating for the Paris airshow and towards their future potential orders rather that making fools of themselves....



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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10092 times:

Airbus has a point. When you ask for an aircraft with 160 seats then you select one with 189 seats then the whole deal stinks especially if the government is so heavily involved.

Although I don't think they should raise it now as the governments never admit to anything so there is no way this deal will be overturned.


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10073 times:
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I never like to get involved in A vs B threads, but for heavens sake, IMMHO Airbus is really humiliating itself in the business community.

If a client does not want to make use of my products or services, the last thing on my mind is going to be to yap like a freaking dog on heat at the client.

Yeez guys have some pride and keep on going to win over other potential clients. You win some you lose some.

Rgds

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User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10055 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 9):
Airbus has a point. When you ask for an aircraft with 160 seats then you select one with 189 seats then the whole deal stinks especially if the government is so heavily involved.

So a airline can't change it's mind?



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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10039 times:

Quoting PipoA380 (Reply 8):
As CEO Noel Foreard was saying some words to the press like "bullshit" or whatever when talking about B.

Any credible source?


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11752 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10039 times:

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 5):
Looks like the airline doesn't know what they want themselves!



Quoting Danny (Reply 9):
Airbus has a point. When you ask for an aircraft with 160 seats then you select one with 189 seats then the whole deal stinks especially if the government is so heavily involved.

Is it really Airbus' judgement to make, though, about why or how AI changed its requirements and specifications? Note to Airbus: things change, so move on and get the h*ll over it already! (And, by the way, before I get flamed, I would say the exact same thing if tables were turned and Boeing was basically ambulance chasing from airline to airline all over the world trying to turn Airbus orders into Boeing orders.)

I challenge anyone to name a single airline RFP for aircraft where the original specifications did not differ, at least somewhat, from what the airline finally took delivery of. Things change. That's reality. If Airbus doesn't like it, sorry, but that is business -- and SA7700 is exactly right, Airbus is really making themsleves look very difficult to do business with.


User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10034 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 7):
what are you gonna do about it?

Ummm... nothing! Unlike some people I couldn't give the slightest s***

The reason why it was bold is because that was quoted from the article. They were not my words.

Quote:
Is it really Airbus' judgement to make, though, about why or how AI changed its requirements and specifications?

You are right, it's up to the airline, and not the manufacturer. But I do understand why airbus is getting wound up about it. They ask for something for which they have the better option. Then they consider something else for which they also offer the better option (again, not my words, the article stated it was the clear winner), yet then the airline leans to the other side which offered the less suitable option for both scenarios that the airline considered.

As a manufacturer, I would also get really wound up about this. However I would certainly not make a fool of myself like airbus is now. Just really embarassing that they keep "expressing" their views in this way. As some have said, you lose some and you win some. If they don't get this deal, they'll get another.

[Edited 2005-06-01 21:58:41]


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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10008 times:

Quoting Dragon-wings (Reply 11):
quoting Danny (Reply 9):
Airbus has a point. When you ask for an aircraft with 160 seats then you select one with 189 seats then the whole deal stinks especially if the government is so heavily involved.

So a airline can't change it's mind?

It is not the airline - it is the government (Air India is not a private company).
The process of making big purchased by government is very different than by private companies. To avoid corruption government have to specify what they want and how they will asses offers. That is what they did but they selected a winner not based on their own criteria - and that is very fishy.

Although I agree that Airbus should rather shut up or it may have a problem to sell anything to India over a couple of years.


User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9984 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 15):
It is not the airline - it is the government (Air India is not a private company).

Oh ok I did not know that.  smile 



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User currently offlinePipoA380 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1594 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9952 times:
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Quoting Danny (Reply 12):
Any credible source?

It was during the live broadcast from the airbus webpage on that day, about 2 or 3 hours into the flight. The press asked his poinion about the big order Boeing got the day before ( for AC if I remember well ), and he said something like "let's not talk about this, we're here to talk about the A380, this is bullshit". I quote that from my memory... so no real source, sorry.



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User currently offlineMagyar From Hungary, joined Feb 2000, 599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9831 times:

Methink, the Indian goverment just wanted
to have a cozier relationship with the
present US administration, so tilted the
playground a bit in Boeing's favor.

That is how governments work, and
Airbus should accept it. There will be
time when the Indians want to coze
up with the EU, and that is the time
when the bill should be handled to them
(with the proper interests of course).


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9757 times:

Let it go - nothing's going to change anyhow...

... and by that, I am not only addressing Airbus in regards to the order, but the people who have and will be posting on this thread...

Regards,
Frank



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9755 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 15):
It is not the airline - it is the government (Air India is not a private company).
The process of making big purchased by government is very different than by private companies. To avoid corruption government have to specify what they want and how they will asses offers. That is what they did but they selected a winner not based on their own criteria - and that is very fishy.



Quoting Magyar (Reply 18):
Methink, the Indian goverment just wanted
to have a cozier relationship with the
present US administration, so tilted the
playground a bit in Boeing's favor.

Actually, the AI Express order always seemed more like a sop to the US to cover up the travesty of AI making an order for A343s in 2003 despite the fact their technical committee had recommended the 777. After the technical recommendation leaked out, Airbus and the French government worked overtime to ensure that the widebody order would go to Airbus for political reasons using various inducements, despite the original recommendation. Airbus might have gotten the narrowbody order to begin with if they hadn't gotten the politicians involved in trying to win the widebody order. Now they are crying about the narrowbody order loss years after the fact and after the planes have already entered the fleet. They really only have themselves to blame.

Quoting PipoA380 (Reply 17):
It was during the live broadcast from the airbus webpage on that day, about 2 or 3 hours into the flight. The press asked his poinion about the big order Boeing got the day before ( for AC if I remember well ), and he said something like "let's not talk about this, we're here to talk about the A380, this is bullshit". I quote that from my memory... so no real source, sorry.

I saw something similar quoted elsewhere. I think he was calling the study about the A380 costs, market and profitability "bulls%&@."



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User currently offlineVEEREF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9731 times:

Sounds like somebody needs a timeout!

User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9674 times:
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Okay, I may be way off here, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

SAA is also government owned and invited both Airbus and Boeing to make presentations and demonstrate their proposed aircraft at JNB International a few years ago. This was when SAA put out tenders for the replacement of their B747 Classic fleet. This only included the 74L’s, 742’s and 743’s.

Embarrassingly enough the B777 had a engine malfunction or blow-out, I can’t remember the exact specs, but the long and the short was that the Airbus presentation went far better than Boeing would have wanted to. Next thing we hear, as South African taxpayers, is that SAA and the SA Government has decided to become an all Airbus operator and would be replacing both short-and longhaul equipment over a period of more than 10 years. At no stage was it indicated that SAA was open for an entire fleet renewal, yet Boeing had to take the punch.

Toulouse was laughing all the way. Why now this childish fuss when the same type of thing happened with Boeing a few years ago at SAA? Please, this is just an example and I equally like both Boeing and Airbus products, but as I have said business is business. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Airbus should cut their losses with AI and move on; they are making fools of a reputable company. Let it go.

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User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9586 times:

This part of the article caught my eye:

The Airbus communication says A320 is the preferred choice of a majority of low-cost airlines across the world and evaluation of SCSR on an all-economy configuration would have provided a different result.

Really? I mean, really? More popular than the Boeing 737? I have a VERY difficult time believing this.


User currently offlineJohnStevens From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 43 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9511 times:

Let it go? Why should they? Put yourself in their position you've just lost out on a big money order and you feel you weren't treated fairly, even more so you feel there is a great deal of government/political influence (possibly some corruption somewhere along the line) that caused you to lose that deal, trust me you would want to make a song and dance about it. You may not get the deal reversed but at least you've highlighted something that concerns you and have therefore shown you will not stand for it should it happen again. Airbus won't get bullied by anyone let alone AI or any government that wants to impress the current occupants of the White House.

Lets try and be fair about this shall we, some people come across as far too biased.


25 Jacobin777 : Don't get your knickers in a twist.....this is just bad business behaviour (I would say the same thing if Boeing did this)......it doesn't matter who
26 ContnlEliteCMH : Airbus feels that the entire process was biased against it favouring Boeing. Awwwww. Poor little muti-billion dollar Airbus. They obviously went to an
27 Commavia : Have you ever heard the saying, "shooting yourself in the foot?" If Airbus wants to have any chance of developing future business relationships in In
28 Post contains images Soaringadi : lol..... Man its amazing what bullsh*t people will say just to sell their airplanes. Thats why there are way more 73's than 320's....... b/c. the 320
29 FlyAUA : While politics obviously played a bigger role in this than economics, I still think they should let it go. They are making themselves look desperate
30 SA7700 : Airbus is a supplier of aircraft and has therefore, to my knowledge, absolutely no say in an airline’s ultimate order. They can make recommendation
31 Brons2 : Meethinks sarcasm is lost on Soaringadi.
32 FlyAUA : Not because it's better, but because B737s have been around much longer than A320s. They are both one of the best-sold aircraft, but you are not comp
33 N79969 : I agree with the consensus that Airbus should drop it and move on. Calling your customers dishonest and unfair after the deal is done is not how to ge
34 PA110 : If Airbus is to be criticized at all it should be for their appalling naivete when dealing with Indian carriers. Most Indian members of A.net would pr
35 ContnlEliteCMH : Your emotion is understandable, but expression thereof would still be over the top. It's just whining. Question: How many business owners on this for
36 Post contains links and images Nirvarma : Yeah LOL since 17 out of the top 20 LCCs last year operated a 737 fleet.   according to this[Edited 2005-06-02 02:49:14]
37 Travelin man : Heh. Nice find Nirvarma. That's what I assumed, although I didn't want to go look up all the data. It looks like Boeing anticipated this Airbus "argum
38 ETStar : Aaah yes folks, this is exactly what your congressmen did too when China Airlines ordered a fleet of Airbus aicraft a few years ago... They wrote let
39 AirTran737 : I wonder why FL wasnt on that list. We ordered 50 firm with 50 options of the 737.
40 Nirvarma : Actually this was posted on the boeing website in January (i think) but yeah looks like the Airbus guy was bending the truth a bit... Cheers NV
41 Iakobos : You are talking about a government tender here, not a private rfp. The government sets extremely strict and usually a lot of unnecessary but time and
42 Shawnnyc : Maybe. I think they really underestimated how the Indian aviation market was changing with bilateral liberalization as well as increased affluence of
43 Post contains images Stirling : And to the others that have brought up the "Politics" issue, what exactly does India hope to gain from impressing the Bush Administration? Is it so h
44 ContnlEliteCMH : Nothing's wrong with it necessarily. But is this really how it is? So what if the government creates a lot of red tape? That doesn't entitle Airbus *
45 Magyar : At first look Airbus' action seems childish, however, what if the target is not the Indian but the US and Boeing? Maybe this is part of the "WTO settl
46 M404 : Actually, I see this as a demand by Airbus for India to get it's act in order and use the same standards to order aircraft as the rest of the world. S
47 Post contains images DfwRevolution : You would be correct I dunno, it isn't computing that way in my brain. The WTO case involves (among other things) the financing for the launching of
48 Atmx2000 : Of course, the original widebody tender would have had Boeing winning according to the evaluation criteria, before Airbus snuck in. The question peop
49 JoyA380B747 : Why does Airbus or Boeing try to poke their nose when Smaller airlines(like AI) come out with a Huge a/c order? Take AF for example, Airbus does hardl
50 Atmx2000 : Because that would be a sure fire way of starting a trade war and losing access to the US market. Likewise, if the Boeing did something political to
51 Jacobin777 : exactly..look at how many United States air carriers fly Airbus 1)NW 2)UA 3)US 4)HP 5)B6 6)F9 7)AA
52 Galapagapop : I'd would cross AA off that list as they are certainly unsatisfied with their A300's and are going Boeing from here on out.... A should really give it
53 Post contains images Schipholjfk : Yes... SOUR GRAPES! Give me a break on all this government talk... there is no corruption involved here. Politics did play a role and it happens in e
54 Post contains images Schipholjfk : Yes... SOUR GRAPES! Give me a break on all this government talk... there is no corruption involved here. Politics did play a role and it happens in e
55 777ER : OMG Airbus must be so stupid if they think they can over turn these orders. AI Express choose the B738 because they believe its better then the A320 s
56 Jacobin777 : those A300's are money making machines for AA on their routes (they are paid off for), but u're right, they won't be going to Airbus anytime soon..
57 Jet-lagged : Laterly Airbus is crossing the line from giving it the good fight with good planes, to reeking of arrogance and disrepect for others if things don't g
58 Grantcv : It seems that there are many cycles in the airline business. There is the boom to bust cycle that the airlines go through every decade. And there is t
59 Leskova : Your point being? It's not like the list of US carriers operating Airbusses is unbelievably large - and I think the consensus is that neither the EU
60 Ikramerica : are you addressing me? if so, learn to read the whole thread and the linked articles before commenting. the airbus spokes-hole stated clearly in the
61 Post contains images FlyAUA : Well then they better redefine what "believe" means. It was stated that the Airbus option was the clear winner in both comparisons when doing a cost-
62 Iakobos : Does this include bypassing their own laws, the ones they set themselves in the first place ? The least one can expect is for a government to play by
63 Longhaulheavy : Airbus is acting just like the EU officials after the referendums on the constitution this week. They think the people who voted "no" really meant "ye
64 Atmx2000 : Actually, you shouldn't be so naive to believe an article that is based completely on a Airbus internal communication. Their last point is a bit laug
65 Atmx2000 : I have said this before, that IMHO Airbus and France are mad that their previous scheming with regards to defense technology transfer and minor indus
66 Stirling : The comment was made in response to "The White House", which those beyond the borders might not realize as being home of the American President. (Not
67 FlyAUA : I hardly beleive that an article written by the Indian press (with a National carrier who has always had good connections with Boeing) is biased towa
68 HAWK21M : Why does an Indian order for Aircraft create such a confusion.As it is there is a lot of time delays involved in anything the GOI does,this just furth
69 Post contains links Atmx2000 : Many of these airlines chose the A320 over the 737 when the dollar was super high over the Euro, giving Airbus pricing power. Boeing's ability to res
70 Sebolino : And it's exactly the opposite situation now.
71 Jacobin777 : I was responding to the quote below, nothing more, nothing less............my point was that every country is open to both Airbus and Boeing...some c
72 DAYflyer : Airbus is really acting shamefully now. If I ever did this type of nonsense in my profession, I would be gone in a heartbeat. And you dont think ther
73 Post contains links Atmx2000 : If you mean the Euro and other European currencies are super high over the dollar, no. Look at the currency chart here: http://fx.sauder.ubc.ca/cgi/f
74 Iakobos : Miserable comparison. Btw, the rule of the EU game is: the Constitution will be rejected ipso facto if more than 5 countries disapprove.
75 Post contains images Shawnnyc : So basically if they say the deal was rotten several times, it becomes true? That is what Airbus is doing. Look Airbus is attacking the credibility o
76 Atmx2000 : Except if you have large aircraft you will get overcapacity in the market if your order the same number of planes. However, AI did not order 737s for
77 Abrelosojos : Let me say at the onset - I think Airbus needs to get over it and after readng some of the TORs in this evaluation, I do think Boeing aircrafts suit A
78 Do328jet : Airbus should forget the market in India as there are no chances to compete there due to political reasons and other issues with Indian state airlines
79 N60659 : I guess you are forgetting that there are a substantial number of Airbus aircraft flying in India. Indian Airlines, and Kingfisher have large fleets
80 Atmx2000 : What do you mean? Indian Airlines is an Airbus customer and has an order yet to be approved. Of course they might have been a B757 customer, except f
81 AirRyan : This is like when a new car salesman has say his Ford's to sell and the guy down the street sells Chevrolets. When a potential customer comes in and i
82 Abrelosojos : = Do328, do you really believe its sound business advice to forget the world's 2nd fastest market where aviation growth is consistently double-digits
83 Kangar : Guys, What way the order went is irrelevant at this time. What is known is that AI requested proposals based on a certain size of A/C, and then went a
84 Post contains images Jacobin777 : welcome to the board.... you sound a bit angry....any hidden feelings
85 Post contains images 777ER : It was stated that the Airbus option was the clear winner in both comparisons when doing a cost-benefit analysis Well obviously Airbus would say the A
86 Do328jet : I know, that my statement was quite provocative, but I have not any hidden feelings. The fact is, that Airbus lost the order from AI due to different
87 Schipholjfk : Name one law that was broken here?
88 Post contains images Mariner : Um - that is a very generous interpretation of Air India's relationship with the Indian government. cheers mariner
89 Post contains images FlyAUA : Erm... NO! Easyjet, Air Berlin, and FlyNiki all placed large (if not huge) orders for the A320 when the dollar was much weaker than the Euro. That's
90 Atmx2000 : Easyjet placed the order in late 2002 when the dollar was still high, with a euro still being worth under $1. The average value of the Euro or ECU fo
91 FlyAUA : Ok so easyjet placed the order a few months before the EUR overtook the dollar, how do you explain all the other low cost carriers? Not to mention th
92 Post contains links Atmx2000 : Look at this chart of the largest LCCs, and explain all of the 737s at these LCCs. http://www.boeing.com/randy/archives...otos/737_prefered_chart_lar
93 Mariner : That's the only part of the story you got wrong. According to Sam Addoms, the then CEO of Frontier, after Boeing, they went to Airbus - who showed th
94 Post contains images FlyAUA : " target=_blank>http://www.boeing.com/randy/archives....html Ok you were right! Apologies Didn't realise the imbalance was that large. Just to confirm
95 Post contains images Atmx2000 : I defer to your experience....   The A320 and 737 are closely matched, with each having minor plusses and minuses. In the end, the airlines choose b
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