AC7E7 From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 684 posts, RR: 20 Posted (11 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2927 times:
I remember when I used to take the 204 after school and go to YUL to watch the planes from inside the airport. I used to go upstairs to the A&W and buy a burger and watch the planes on the tarmac from my table. I was royally pissed off when I found out that they borded all the windows up and replaced the space with more ticket counters (downstairs). And the only stairs I have seen that go upstairs is the ones that bring you to the Air France lounge. Since the airport renovations, I have not seen any viewing areas unless you are past security and in the jetties. Hell, there was even a time when people could go outiside on the balcony!
Mark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2754 times:
AC7E7 -- I remember when I used to take the 204 after school and go to YUL to watch the planes from inside the airport. I used to go upstairs to the A&W and buy a burger and watch the planes on the tarmac from my table.
Well the upstairs A&W deal has been gone for ages now but yeah the (mid-90s-updated) food court tarmac viewing downstairs and also from the windows of the old W.H. Smith bookstore next to it has only been gone for 2 1/2 years now. Seems like ages though doesn't it, given that now there's nothing at all and from the public access standpoint it's like a big downtown bus or train station or something in there
Mind you, I think the expanded food and retail court that they put in instead of those last original windows is pretty decent overall now and even the lighting its not too bad and the public seating decor at least makes an effort to brighten the place up a bit and seems to accomplish the task to some extent. Still not the same for anybody who remembers the way it used to be only a short while ago though (or especially earlier as well).
And the only stairs I have seen that go upstairs is the ones that bring you to the Air France lounge.
With the 3rd-floor roof HVAC boxes over the retail court, even the view from the Air France and British Airways lounges has been mightily blocked for a good long while now too! Fortunately for both passengers and especially the staff who work there though --who I imagine have had to field mucho complaints from passengers about it-- the new International jetty and new boarding lounges are set to be up and running by about this time next week. Local CTV affiliate CFCF just had a "sneak preview" of the place on tonight's late news a few minutes ago so it seems like it's finally gonna happen. Those boarding lounge staff members really really can't wait.
Hell, there was even a time when people could go outiside on the balcony!
Yeah YUL was originally designed more for Super Connies rather than Stage 1 jets so when DC-9s and such went roaring by for takeoffs on 10-28 it was something all right, being outside on that there viewing terrace running along the length of the building. Unusable for adults but lots of fun for young kids especially (speaking from experience too )
I guess those days are over....
Definitely the outdoor part, yup. Though at ADM's annual meeting about a month ago Mr. Cherry was saying that there are plans to bring some form of glassed-in and panoramic viewing area back, incorporated into a possible multi-floor hotel atop a new U.S. pre-clearance area to be built just groundside of the new transborder pier. Apparently they're still negotiating with American authorities over what exactly they're going to end up building there but for the time being from ADM's standpoint that's what they're intending at least.
So in about 2-3 years time maybe there'll be something for public-access viewing again.
AC7E7 From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 684 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2674 times:
Even though I miss the old viewing areas, I still love what they have done with the airport.
Quoting Mark_D. (Reply 2): Well the upstairs A&W deal has been gone for ages now but yeah the (mid-90s-updated) food court tarmac viewing downstairs and also from the windows of the old W.H. Smith bookstore next to it has only been gone for 2 1/2 years now
Yeah, I would go into the W.H. Smith book store, grab a book, and just watch the aircraft. I didn't realize it has only been 2.5 years! The A&W has been gone for a while... too bad because the viewing from there was fantastic!
Hopefully there will be some sort of viewing area one day...
LongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 6070 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (10 years 12 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2504 times:
Great post AC7E7,
I recall doing the same at YYZ Terminal One (old). Not only was the parking garage a great place for viewing, but there were also several observation decks placed at gate level, between the gates.
I would pedal my bicycle out there and watch Viscounts and Vanguards loading and unloading all day. Yeah ... it WAS a few years ago.
We used to have a pairing I would bid a lot about 5 years ago. We would fly YYZ-MIA-YUL, then sit 3 hours before flying YUL-YYZ. I would grab a burger and watch planes for an hour or so at Dorval. I guess it never leaves you!
Just because I stopped arguing, doesn't mean I think you are right. It just means I gave up!
Dash8Pilot From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2346 times:
The good old days!!!!
Its funny I have more childhood memories of YUL than just about anything else in my life. I too use to take the 204 (or stop at the dorval train station and walk). There were they days of the A&W and just sitting aimlessly for hours staring out the planes from the upstairs lounge. I think ADM should have just kept the burger king and eggspectation and keep all the windows.
It was really YUL that inspired me to do what I really want in life and become an airline pilot. Staring out the window and staring at a dream. Talking to some great pilots and gaining the confidence to do what I wanted.
Although I'm happy that YUL is modernizing and become a beautiful airport. I will always miss the spotting inside. I guess for now sitting at the end of 24R will do.
Caribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1649 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (10 years 12 months 3 days ago) and read 2135 times:
Although I'm not 100% sure but Air Canada's facilities in the new international jetty won't be available at the opening. Some of the lounges will only be ready in the fall I believe. The whole wing though was impressive. The Air France A380 gate was nicely done. It should all be an effective addition for Montreal and a big relief to see the end of the old Aeroquay (circa 1950s or 1960s) which will be closed for good along with that ugly underground walk we all had to do countless times over.
Jean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (10 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2100 times:
Has it now been decided that the entire old Aeroquay will be destroyed?
It was previously my understanding that the portion currently used for domestic (LCC's) and regional flights would be retained, at least as a back-up (like the IFT at YYZ, I believe). No complaints from me if it is, indeed, to be destroyed, but I'm curious as to whether it might be wise to keep part of it over capacity concerns.
EurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (10 years 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2087 times:
YMX - Remember The Days..
Remember the days of those graceful Aerolineas Argentinas 747-200s?
Remember the days of those classy Royal Jordanian Tristars?
Remember the days of those warm IBERIA DC-10s?
Remember the days of those exotic VARIG DC-10s?
Remember the days of those beautiful Swissair MD-11s?
Remember the days of those friendly TAP A310s?
Caribb From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 1649 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (10 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2039 times:
Don't forget some classics like SAS' DC-10, Swissair's "bandit" 747s, Lufthansa's A310s, Sabena's 747s (I miss Sabena) and even Aer Lingus' 707s.... those were good spotting days..
Back at YUL prior to YMX I remember Aeroflot sending in TU-104s (I believe)... they had such a distinctive rumble as they came in over the city.. sounding like bomber aircraft. The massive double propellors chugging away... Then let's not forget BOAC's Super VC-10s... b-e-a-u-t-i-f-u-l ! then their was the first 747 I ever say.. Air France's 747-100 sailed over my friend's house and had me running into the street pointing at the sky.. it was one of the triggers that got me interested in airplanes...
Today however we still have a good list of interesting airlines and aircraft for a city with a smaller volume than most cities of similar size. We really can't complain. Plus with the occasional diversion you never really know what might show up on 24R on any day... there's often amazing surprises. (recently Virgin's A346, Emirates 773ER...)