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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3576 times:

From ATW daily news, link:
http://www.atwonline.com/news/other.html?issueDate=6%2F1%2F2005

Jet Airways of India is in final talks concerning an order for up to 15 long-haul aircraft to replace and supplement three A340s leased from South African Airways and four new A330s that will be leased from ILFC beginning next April. Jet is evaluating aircraft such as the A340-600 and 777-300ER and availability of delivery positions in 2007 is a key criterion, CEO Wolfgang Prock-Schauer told ATWOnline in Tokyo at the IATA AGM. "Our priority is to expand our long-haul operation," he said. Jet will increase its daily London flight to thrice-daily as soon as possible; "We just bought two more slots at London Heathrow, one from United," Prock-Schauer revealed. The airline also plans to add cities such as Manchester or Birmingham and swap widebodies for the 737s currently being operated on some Asia routes, such as to Singapore. Prock-Schauer prefers to open new routes to China instead of Japan, along with routes to Africa such as Durban and Nairobi. Services to France and Germany are desired as well. But the next step, he said, is to launch nonstop flights to New York as soon as possible. "We start with six weekly flights via Brussels to New York on June 23. We have not decided if we will go to JFK or Newark," but Jet will codeshare on the flights with Continental Airlines, which has a hub at Newark. He would not confirm reports that Jet will lease two A340-500s from Emirates, but sources close to both carriers confirmed to this website that Jet is in talks about the deal and aircraft should be available for the coming winter.


THREE FLIGHTS TO LONDON AND LOOKS LIKE THEY HAVE THE GATES.
NONSTOPS TO NEW YORK ASAP.
NEW ROUTES TO CHINA( POSSIBLE GIVEN THE NEW BILATERALS)

I am impressed with what Jet plans to accomplish in a short period. My best wishes and lots of luck to them.

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User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1740 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3464 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
"We start with six weekly flights via Brussels to New York on June 23. We have not decided if we will go to JFK or Newark,"

The service starts in 3 weeks, and they havent decided which airport yet??



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User currently offlineShawnnyc From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3452 times:

Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 1):
The service starts in 3 weeks, and they havent decided which airport yet??

I doubt it on local Indian tv, like Namaste America, here in NYC there are tv ads for lufthansa and I think AI but nothing about Jet starting.


User currently offlineOurboeing From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3387 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
Jet is evaluating aircraft such as the A340-600 and 777-300ER and availability of delivery positions in 2007 is a key criterion, CEO Wolfgang Prock-Schauer told ATWOnline in Tokyo at the IATA AGM.

Is this guy the CEO of 9W?


User currently offlineJoyA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3306 times:

I wish that all this would happen as soon as possible...
Regds
JOY



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineSchipholjfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3200 times:

Quoting Ourboeing (Reply 3):
Jet is evaluating aircraft such as the A340-600 and 777-300ER and availability of delivery positions in 2007 is a key criterion, CEO Wolfgang Prock-Schauer told ATWOnline in Tokyo at the IATA AGM.

Is this guy the CEO of 9W?

Yes he is. He is a German national.



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3121 times:

Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 5):
He is a German national.


Austrian.


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3097 times:

I am just curious 9and I know this will end in an A vs B):

Will 9W probably go for the A34X series as opposed to the B77X, as they have leased A343s from SA and will probably lease A345s from EK?


User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3073 times:

Interesting points.

The codeshare with CO allows CO to have the help of a known player in the Indian market help fill seats. What this does to the EWR-BRU service remains to be seen, but at least from the CO side, guaranteed seat fill ex EWR on a flight that already had good yields to begin with. For 9W, this means the ability to fill seats from practically every corner of the USA in a market which has good O/D to India anyway.

BRU wins because this is new service altogether to a potentially huge transit market.

How the 9W product performs will go a long way to deciding if they become a future Skyteam partner.


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

Quoting N77014 (Reply 8):
BRU wins because this is new service altogether to a potentially huge transit market.

How the 9W product performs will go a long way to deciding if they become a future Skyteam partner.

Two good points! Even I prefer BRU to AMS (no direct competition, and good proportion of ethnic population in the Antwerps area, plus diplomatic city), but I am in the minority.. they could really build on 5th freedom in addition

I hope 9W keeps their standards and - should they join SkyTeam in any future - be the premium airline within! Hope they do not surrender their quality in the context.

What I want to know: has anyone taken 9W to LHR? Is their international product as good as the domestic one? i guess it is very difficult to maintain the standards


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3036 times:

I hope 9W opt for the 346, we need some more 346 operators! Big grin

Rob!


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3034 times:

If the News is reliable  Smile
Good days ahead for 9Wbigthumbsup 
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2892 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3043 times:

Newyork non-stop will be great, but does that mean they will stop BRU-EWR and go via BRU--SFO/LAX/IAH/BOS etc....

User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3023 times:

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 9):
Quoting N77014 (Reply 8):
BRU wins because this is new service altogether to a potentially huge transit market.

How the 9W product performs will go a long way to deciding if they become a future Skyteam partner.

Two good points! Even I prefer BRU to AMS (no direct competition, and good proportion of ethnic population in the Antwerps area, plus diplomatic city), but I am in the minority.. they could really build on 5th freedom in addition

BRU has got to be the largest/underutilized airport in Europe. It has an ideal location, excellent rail links, good terminal, etc. If they were smart (a question to be decided), they would go all out to ensure 9W was welcomed with open arms.

Will the CO codeshare be exclusive to BRU-India, or all the way to EWR if EWR is the intended airport?

Will Indian pax prefer JFK or EWR?

Will the BRU stopover go away if the A346's are acquired?

How important will Skyteam membership be to 9W once this service is in place?

[Edited 2005-06-02 12:14:00]

User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2801 times:

Quoting N77014 (Reply 13):
Will the BRU stopover go away if the A346's are acquired?

I think they are planning to take two A345s, and there is no reason they can not have both a one stop and non stop to New York area. I hope they use the A345s to offer non stop service to SFO or LAX.

Quoting N77014 (Reply 13):
Will Indian pax prefer JFK or EWR?

EWR is a bigger market from BOM.


User currently offlineLumumba From Belgium, joined Mar 2001, 369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2535 times:

Hi everybody.
Talks with SN Brussels airlines are under way to have a code-share on the Mumbay-Brussels track.
Regards
Patrice


User currently offlineTnsaf From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2511 times:

9W's service level is something that Skyteam should aspire to. 9W could teach Delta, NW and CO a few lessons in service!


700 hours and counting...
User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2498 times:

So, possibly a BOM-BRU (SN codeshare) and a BRU-EWR to compete with CO.

Or is the possibility of codesharing both sectors with CO there?

My point of view:
Codeshare on both sectors with each carrier, permitting maximum ability to feed pax.
Make EWR the gateway for North America.
Utilize the availability of slots to make BRU their principle stopover point the way AI uses FRA.
If extremely successful, perhaps CO could consider capacity/frequency upgrades to BRU. (It has already happened in AMS).
As for SN; a great way to feed their BRU hub, but since they have no North American destinations, I feel they are missing on the lion's share of revenue that this cooperation could bring.
Minimal risk for all involved.


User currently offlineHanginOut From Austria, joined May 2005, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2447 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
delivery positions in 2007 is a key criterion, CEO Wolfgang Prock-Schauer told ATWOnline

Delivery slots will probably be the determining factor, although price always plays its part. Jet is in a rush to get aircraft before someone other than Air India starts operating these routes. Being both an Airbus and Boeing fan I can't wait to fly on Jet, as I'm planning on going to India for holidays later this year.

Also, concerning alliances, why Skyteam and not Star or Oneworld?



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User currently offlineGuyBetsy1 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 840 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2421 times:

9W doesn't even fly to the US yet, and you can already issue an E-ticket on 9W on their entire route network through any SABRE equipped travel agency in the USA.

That's because 9W probably uses an interface for Sabre in India.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

Quoting N77014 (Reply 17):
Make EWR the gateway for North America.
Utilize the availability of slots to make BRU their principle stopover point the way AI uses FRA

New India-BRU bilaterals allow 21 weekly flights, which may not be enough to cover all of North America using BRU as a scissor hub, as LH does with Frankfurt. I think the bilaterals can be easily revised to increase frequency.


User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2360 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 20):
New India-BRU bilaterals allow 21 weekly flights, which may not be enough to cover all of North America using BRU as a scissor hub, as LH does with Frankfurt. I think the bilaterals can be easily revised to increase frequency

Silly when SN does not even serve India.


User currently offlineSunnyb From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
Jet will increase its daily London flight to thrice-daily as soon as possible

Thrice daily?? Is there such a demand? Just curious.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

Quoting N77014 (Reply 21):
Silly when SN does not even serve India.

There is hardly any O&D traffic from BRU to India. Perhaps in future when SN is part of a bigger EU Airline, we might see some service to India, but with LH using FRA, AF using CDG, and NW/KLM using AMS, it seems unlikely.

The recently revised bilaterals with UK, France and Germany provide for more seats than the demand for India/EU and India/USA sector.

IMO, Jet may use BRU as a temporary hub and look to buy more gates at LHR and serve both India/UK and India/USA markets. Using LHR as a scissor hub is more logical than any other EU point, as LHR has more O&D traffic from India than all of EU put together. They currently have gate rights at LHR to accommodate three daily terminator flights from India.


User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2325 times:

9W can live off LHR O/D alone. It might be worth settling on the BRU expansion idea since there is no competition in that sector, SN is eager to codeshare with them, and the terminal is well setup for transit.

25 LHRCS : Yippee.. More work for us.. Been on 9W ck-in for a week now at LHR and yes from what I'v seen they do have a very good product. As for going thrice da
26 LAXDESI : Possible one stop connections through India from UK: NRT,HKG, BKK, KL, SIN, and SYD. Many of these locations are served non stop currently, but Jet c
27 Karan69 : Except for SYD, i really dont see anyone flying on 9W to the other cities mentioned by you. Who in the right mind would fly 10 hrs first from LHR/UK
28 Mrniji : If the price is OK, people will do it (provided the GOI decides to blow up these shabby pisspots of airports soon and replaces them with "state-of-th
29 Shawnnyc : Why doesn't Jet use MAN for their North American hub? MAN has O&D to India. With BRU Jet will not be able to fill many of the seats emptied by US pax
30 LJ : Why??? They can offer more connectiones ex AMS (on KL) than from BRU. Moreover, i would guess CO would prefer any service to run via AMS as they don'
31 Nimish : Hi LHRCS, do keep us updated on the 9W news ex-LHR. It would also be great to hear views of pax who've flown 9W internationally.
32 N77014 : That doesn't stop the many passengers who travel, say IAH-LGW on CO, then choose EK to DXB for onward connections. While these are likely driven by c
33 LAXDESI : You are correct on NRT, and HKG, but BKK, SIN, and KL are possible candidates as the flight time is increased by only 3-4 hours with a good connectio
34 LAXDESI : As I understand, the limit of 56 flights per week applies to LHR on UK side, and BOM/DEL on Indian side. Does it mean there are no limits to LGW from
35 N77014 : Really, I think the aim here is North America bound Indian pax, who crave the convenience of same plane service, a chance to stretch their legs, and p
36 LAXDESI : True, but from an Airline's perspective, during off peak season, the load factors will be much higher if the stop on the way to North America is LHR/
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