MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31106 posts, RR: 74 Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2385 times:
Spirit Airlines has place a docket today in response to Atlantic City's SCAD grant to subsidize Delta Connection service to Atlanta. Specifically, they claim that it would be unfair to give Delta the subsidies while Spirit would not have them, even though they would essentially be competing in the same market (Delta estimates that 62% of their ATL-ACY connecting traffic would continue to Florida). And they specifically refer to Delta's Witchita incident. Interesting read:
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6049 posts, RR: 25 Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2290 times:
The difference however is that the SCASD grant is designed only to cover the intial start-up costs for starting a new route. Regardless of connections, the ACY-ATL route is a new route.
DL's complaint with Airtran subsidies at ICT is that they have become long-term subsidies...not just to cover inital start-up costs. Let me put the next phrase in big type:
DL DID NOT COMPLAIN WHEN AIRTRAN RECEIVED START-UP SUBSIDIES IN 2002.
However, DL is now complaining because the initial start-up period is over and Airtran is still being subsidized. The subsidies have nothing to do with covering start-up costs....they are now just corporate welfare.
Srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16888 posts, RR: 51 Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2167 times:
Spirit, if you don't like it, start flying ACY-ATL, and ask for subsidies yourself. Spirit would have a point if they flew the route already, but since they don't, they should either put up or shut up. Spirit has 4 flights to Florida a day out of ACY, a majority of Spirit's flights out of ACY, but not worth making a Federal issue out of. There's no telling how many folks that live close to ACY choose to fly in/out of PHL for better connecting opportunities and nonstop flight to Florida.
Midway2airtran From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 864 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2073 times:
After all the ICT stuff being talked about all the time in other threads, at least time DL is defending its own subsidies. There is no regulation on them and the individual cities/airport authorities should have their own say in it. There is no need to regulate as the public still decides who is flying there. The individual cities would not pay them if they did not demand that carrier's service, leave it at that!!
Positiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 9 Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2063 times:
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31106 posts, RR: 74 Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2040 times:
I do agree wtih FlyPNS's statements.
Quoting Srbmod (Reply 2): Spirit has 4 flights to Florida a day out of ACY, a majority of Spirit's flights out of ACY,
No they don't. They have, during the slower summer season, six daily flights to Florida. During the winter, that doubles to 12, with PBI service added and one additional flight to each other city.
Srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16888 posts, RR: 51 Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1927 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
No they don't. They have, during the slower summer season, six daily flights to Florida. During the winter, that doubles to 12, with PBI service added and one additional flight to each other city.
I was going off of the ACY arrivals on Flytecomm, and just checked back, they list a few more Florida flights arriving that were not there earlier.
Nkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2543 posts, RR: 6 Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1580 times:
NK has never been subsidized by anybody in ACY. In fact, in the time NK has been there, DL has been subsidized (for CVG) and CO was subsidized TWICE (and they aren't even there anymore).
However, I don't agree with this either (and you can tell who I work for), as long as the subsidy is just for start-up only, and not a continuous thing like in ICT.
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