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ORD "Plan Weird" And "Plan Strange"...  
User currently offlineIlovenz From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 149 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4538 times:

I read a few years ago about arrival and departure runway assignments at ORD. It was in an article describing funny ATC terms and jargon (Squirrels, Flibs, Mad-dog bang right, etc.) Apparently two of the arrival/departure layouts are called "Plan Weird" and "Plan Strange". Are these the only two layouts ORD ATC uses, or are they abnormal layouts that are seldom used?

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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4397 times:

I don't know any of the specifics about what you've described. There are patterns that are very uncommon, such as arrivals on 22L, because of the long taxi to the terminals, and arrivals on 32L, which involves an intersection with 9L/27R and flying over 4R/22L about 2000 feet from the end of the runway.

It usually takes very gusty winds to get either of those runways into use for arrivals.


User currently offlineOrdpark From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 574 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4360 times:
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Plan 'weird' is the name of the arrival plan that includes arrivals on 4R and the Parallel 9R/9L with departures on 4L/9L/32L....

Plan strange I can't shed any light on....sorry...


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22910 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4261 times:

Plan "weird" is, in fact, not very weird then as they use it a lot.


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User currently offlineSLUAviator From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 357 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4169 times:

If you want to check out the various runway configurations and conditons when they are used at O'Hare, check out www.bigairport.com. Its a pretty cool website with all kinds of info on the airport. I don't think they give the name of the actual plans, but it does give the runway numbers.


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User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1471 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4040 times:

There is also some good information on the FAA's OIS page.

Here's a link.. http://www.fly.faa.gov/ois/west/zau/ord/ord_aar1.htm

I have to admit, I'm a big fan of plan RODNY  Smile



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User currently offlineAirfinair From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 667 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3944 times:

RDUDDJI: Cool FAA link. Thanks. Can you or anyone else help me decifer some abbreviations and/or codes on that chart?

What is "AAR"? Is it something about arrival rates?

What is "TRIP"?

What are the meanings for these weather minimums?
700-2, 1000-3


Thanks in advance.



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User currently offlineSLUAviator From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 357 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3888 times:

AAR is Aircraft Arrival Rate.

No idea what TRIP means.

700-2 means 700 ft. ceilings and 2 miles visibility
1000-3 means 1000 ft ceilings and 3 miles visibility



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User currently offlineCWAFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 669 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3881 times:

TRIP is the use of a third arrival runway. It will typically give an
arrival rate of 96-100 an hour depending on the configuration.
When gusty winds or wet runways preclude the use of a third
arrival runway, the rate goes to 80 (less with wet or certain
configurations) and then watch out...here come the delays.


User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1471 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3831 times:

You can use the AADC (Aircraft Arrival Demand Chart) to see what major airports are currently posting as their AAR and how many flights are scheduled.

AADC:
http://www.fly.faa.gov/Products/AADC/aadc.html

FAA's OIS (Operational Information System, shows current and planned GDP's and GS's)
http://www.fly.faa.gov/ois

That is a very useful tool to plan down the road for a GDP or GS (Ground Delay Program or Gorundstop).

There are some cool tools on the FAA's website fly.faa.gov

[Edited 2005-06-03 23:37:55]


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