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MAN Announces Major Expansion  
User currently offlineDemoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 23
Posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4026 times:

This has been in the pipeline for years, but today Manchester Airport announced the start of its long awaited expansion project.

Here's the outline of the project:

  • Terminal 2 Phase 2 is set to begin this month which will see the capacity of the terminal more than double from its current 7 million to 18 million passengers per year. This will see the extension of the west pier of T2. There was also a plan to add a satellite pier on the west apron opposite T2, I assume this is also going ahead, with such a big increase in capacity.


  • Terminal 3 is due to be extended towards the end of runway 24R.


  • The airport is also investing in the airfield, with additional apron capacity around Terminal 1 and Terminal 2 to provide the equivalent of six wide-body or 12 narrow-body aircraft stands.


  • Over 49 new check-in desks across the airport. Twenty-two in Terminal 1, 15 in ‘The Station’ and 12 in Terminal 2.



  • This week saw the airport handle 22 million passengers in a year, an increase of 2 million in just over 12 months. The expansion of the airport will initially create capacity for an extra 11 million passengers a year and the airport is looking to handle 40 million passengers by 2015.

    Lets just hope they manage to attract some new services!

    Manchester Airport press release here

    Mark


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    User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
    Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3984 times:

    Great to see MAN expanding, a shame no BHX major plans as of yet  Sad

    Hopefully this will attract TG or maybe NWA!

    So still no additional long-haul heavies for MAN from BA  Sad!

    Rob!


    User currently offlineGVBIG From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 341 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3953 times:

    I believe the Viewing Park may also be moving location?


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    User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
    Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

    Quoting Demoose (Thread starter):
    Over 49 new check-in desks across the airport. Twenty-two in Terminal 1, 15 in ‘The Station’

    Yea, have you seen those new check in desks for Travel City just by the train station. How weird, I'd hate to be running late for a train and have to fight through a B743 load of people first!

    It's good news for the airport, this obviously means more jobs too. Win win, appart from if you live under the flight path.  Wink



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    User currently offlineA321fly From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3942 times:

    Why would the viewing park move location?

    Great news for Manchester, and Terminal 2 did need expanding with the amount of USA traffic it handles in a morning.


    User currently offlineEGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1712 posts, RR: 12
    Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3924 times:
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    Anyone know the plans for Concorde if the AVP does have to move?


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    User currently offlineDemoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 23
    Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3885 times:

    OK as for the viewing park, MAN's development strategy states that the land where the AVP is has been identified for development.

    "The preferred areas for apron extension will be to the west of Terminal 2 (including land currently used for car parking); to the east of Terminal 3 (requiring relocation of existing uses), in the vicinity of the current maintenance village and on land at Cloughbank Farm presently utilised as the Aviation Viewing Park."

    "Potential development sites for new hangars have been identified on land at Cloughbank Farm, presently utilised as the Aviation Viewing Park."

    "The existing viewing park will be displaced by the extension of the aircraft maintenance village. Permission has been secured for a new viewing park on the south side of the second runway but this in itself is likely to be insufficient to meet future demand. The preferred location for remote spectator facilities will be to the south of runway 24L-06R."


    Its anyones guess where Concorde will end up, the plan is to eventually have it inside its own dedicated building.

    Mark



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    User currently offlineEGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1712 posts, RR: 12
    Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3854 times:
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    South of 24L/06R So we will be even further away from aircraft taxiing to/from the gates then. Doesnt this kinda crap on the idea of it being a viewing park? People want to get close to the planes, they want to see them up close. Also, with the expansion of the aerodrome, where would the Concorde hangar end up?


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    User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6840 posts, RR: 11
    Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

    Quoting GVBIG (Reply 2):
    I believe the Viewing Park may also be moving location?

    According to manchesterspotters2 on yahoogroups, the AVP will move to the southside to be near the fire station there. Good for the sun being behind. Don't know how thay plan for people to get there. The old southern perimeter road still exists in part, but is gated off at the eastern end. Whether this will be opened and a new car park built remains to be seen. Others may have more info about the grand plan. There is some spare land that, I think, is at the end of the railway they built to move all the building materials in/out and that could be used.

    At the moment there is the bottleneck at the end of T1 for aircraft going round to T2 and they need the space to make parallel taxiways. I don't know if this means that existing hangar(s) will relocate to the AVP area and the cleared space will be used as a taxiway, or what.

    Quoting B742 (Reply 1):
    Hopefully this will attract TG or maybe NWA!

    TG intend to start in 2007 or '08 (from memory)
    Sri Lankan have indicated they want to start services, though the recent Tsunami might have affected those plans.
    Hopefully we'll see more far east services (JL/ANA/CA) but I think landing in Japan is the bigger problem with slot limitations.



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    User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3759 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

    Does this mean that easyJet or Ryanair are more likely to set up a base, not a focus destination, at MAN?

    User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
    Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

    Quoting Oly720man (Reply 8):
    TG intend to start in 2007 or '08 (from memory)

    Is this the route intended to be flown with their new 777-200ER's on order?

    Rob!


    User currently offlineWunala From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 950 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

    Thats great news for MAN. I have never been there, but hope to go the next time I in the UK. Great stuff, always like to see upgrading of facilities, as it gives confidence in the local and global economy.

    User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
    Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3727 times:

    Quoting Oly720man (Reply 8):
    Quoting B742 (Reply 1):
    Hopefully this will attract TG or maybe NWA!

    NWA, to me, seems unlikely. Mainly because they have such a huge presence at AMS, and KLM Cityhopper feed AMS from almost every major provincial airport in the UK.

    7LBAC111



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    User currently offlineJamman From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 142 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3707 times:

    Great for Manchester, would be nice to see the T2 satellite pier!
    I hope they move the Excel airways check-in desks out of T2 arrivals, makes the place look a mess!



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    User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6840 posts, RR: 11
    Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3542 times:

    Rumour has it (here http://forum.flightmapping.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=333&PN=1&get=last)

    that Thai have reserved 3pw 744 slots. Seems a long way in advance, but maybe there is a long leadtime.

    The last article hints at a MSP/Detroit-MAN service with A330. We shall see.



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    User currently offlineTIMC From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 133 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3529 times:

    A satellite terminal?

    Apparently, there is a tunnel from the main T2 out to the remote locations for passengers whose planes are on remote, never seen or used it though!

    As for TravelCity, well their check in desks used to be in T1, down near where Airtours/MyTravel is, at the far end. When Jet2 came, that changed, and Jet2 now own most of that area.

    TravelCity now have a little check-in area between Jet2 and MyTravel, which is hardly sufficient. Last summer, when TravelCity went tech a couple of times, one morning there were two 743 loads queuing to check in there. Its obvious they need a new check in area, but putting it up near the station seems a little wierd, as someone else said, thats the main route to get from T1 to T2, and people that arrive on trains wouldn't like it at all.

    I also found it quite wierd when they put a load of check-in desks in arrivals of T2. People come in to there, not leave from there - thats why its called arrivals, not departures!!

    Anymore progress on them filling in the 'holes' in T2 check-in area? There used to be like balconies, where you could look down into arrivals, but for some unknown reason they started to fill them in?

    Anyway, it is good news overall, hopefully it will mean we'll be getting the A380 a few times into MAN, I could imagine Malaysia would fly it, so would Singapore and maybe even EK would fly it into MAN.

    Give it twenty years, and Air Atlanta will probably get one!!

    Its annoying that they are moving Staff West car park though

    [Edited 2005-06-03 17:26:35]

    User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3469 times:

    Is the current work designed to accomodate a hub operation, or to allow expansion for existing operators?

    User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7415 posts, RR: 13
    Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3351 times:
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    Quoting TIMC (Reply 15):
    Anyway, it is good news overall, hopefully it will mean we'll be getting the A380 a few times into MAN, I could imagine Malaysia would fly it, so would Singapore and maybe even EK would fly it into MAN.

    I'd imagine that we'd see MAS add frequency be it daily 777s or 5 or 6 weekly 744s; SQ won't use A380s here....for both carriers, they would need to operate A380s in a 2 class configuration given that there us isn't a large 1st class pax presence in the catchment area. However, EK is the likeliest operator of the A380 into MAN (around April 2007).

    David


    User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
    Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3334 times:

    Quoting Oly720man (Reply 14):
    Rumour has it (here http://forum.flightmapping.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=333&PN=1&get=last)

    that Thai have reserved 3pw 744 slots. Seems a long way in advance, but maybe there is a long leadtime.

    The last article hints at a MSP/Detroit-MAN service with A330. We shall see.

    Thanks for the link, although most are rumours on that website!

    Are CX actually starting direct 2x weekly 343 flights?

    Is LAS going to happen with VS?

    Rob!


    User currently offlineScottiedog From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 179 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3264 times:

    Demoose (Original post)

    Yes it is indeed good news to see that Manchester are finally expanding, but I do not actually see any mention in the airports press release about the expansion to the T2 pier, or for T3.

    As I understand the situation, T2 main building will be doubled in size - of you look that the present arrangement you will notice that the terminal appears 'lopsided'. An extension to the building to the northwest will correct that. There is, as far as I know, no underground passage to the remote stands. Although there was originally a plan for a satellite, there was never a tunnel constructed. With modern technology I suspect that a bridge, 'a la Gatwick' would be a cheaper option.

    The airlines would, I think, prefer the removal of the bottle-neck at the end of Pier C before the terminals are extended, but time will tell on that one.

    Now a question. Does anyone know when the new stands presently being built will be operational? I refer to both the ones at the top end of taxiway N and also those between taxiways D and L.

    Scottie Dog


    User currently offlineJamman From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 142 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3196 times:

    Don't know if this will be true to life but this is what they wanted to do with Terminal 2 expansion.
    This is from a promotional pamphlet before T2 was built.

    Click link for image
    http://www.pbase.com/jamman/image/44262495/large



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    User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2129 posts, RR: 22
    Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3176 times:

    Extending T2 is a good idea. But wouldn't a new LCC Terminal built around the Viewing area be a better proposition. This would give them more area in a terminal for those check in desks badly needed.

    Col


    User currently offlineTrident2e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3147 times:

    Quoting TIMC (Reply 15):
    Apparently, there is a tunnel from the main T2 out to the remote locations for passengers whose planes are on remote, never seen or used it though!

    I worked at MAN during the construction of T2 - if memory serves me correctly the tunnel was built at the same time as T2 so that it was already there once further development was warranted.


    User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
    Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3046 times:

    Hopefully if they do move the AVP they might consider abolishing the 12-3 single ops rule! I think one of the best selling features of the AVP currently is the fact you can get so close to the slow moving aircraft. Though a fast moving rotating one is good too!


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    User currently offlineDemoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 23
    Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2986 times:

    Scottiedog,
    If you take a look at MAN's development strategy up to 2015, available to download on their website, you'll see that they identify T2's west pier and T3 east for expansion. They also suggest the creation of the satellite pier opposite T2, and I don't see how they can double T2's capacity by merely extending the west pier to match the length of the east pier, by 4 or so gates. A satellite pier seems the likely option.

    I agree that the bottleneck around pier C needs sorting. Many suggestions to this problem have emerged over the past few years, ranging from the removal of the far end of pier C, the creation of a double taxiway along taxiway delta, or a taxiway going behind western maintenence. They also need to add a parallel taxiway to runway 24L/06R in the long term also if the airport is to be utilised to its full potential.

    Mark



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    25 Post contains images KennyK : Great News I assume this means more destinations to far away places? It's about time the emphasis was taken away from Londons airports, growth down th
    26 Post contains images Cxsjr : Whatever the future plans for MAN expansion (which I'm thrilled to hear about as it's my local departure airport), it's still pretty disgusting that B
    27 Jamman : STN 3rd biggest airport in the UK? Well in the south of England maybe but not the UK, sounds like Sky News has been smoking crack again.[Edited 2005-0
    28 ScottieDog : The point I was making is that I do not think that MAplc are looking at the extensions referred to above in the current round of expansions. Longterm
    29 FLVILLA : STN handled 20.91million passengers in 2004 up 12% over 2003. Again, how many thousands of times do we have to go over this one. If there was enough m
    30 Trident2e : Passenger numbers for 2004 (CAA figures) were: MAN - 21,249,841 STN - 20,910,842 So, whilst MAN is currently the third biggest airport in the UK it's
    31 Jamman : Closer than I thought! Any word on another LLC moving in at Manchester? like Easyjet?[Edited 2005-06-04 13:15:34]
    32 TIMC : EasyJet won't come to Manchester... there was a big thing about it. Thats why they stay at LPL.
    33 Post contains images BMIFlyer : TravelCity now check in at 'The Station'. The check-in area there is now complete and running. When you get of the train, go to the railway ticket of
    34 Trident2e : Never say never. Do you think they just apply for slots at MAN because they've nothing better to do with their time?
    35 MANmatt : All EZY slots have been cancelled for the summer now, so they won't be arriving any time soon. As for the expansion, this has been on the cards for a
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