Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21045 posts, RR: 60 Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12504 times:
old people are scary once dementia kicks in.
one guy killed and maimed 10s of people here in santa monica, ca because he drove through the farmers market. he made a wrong turn, and then hit the gas instead of the brake, and claimed it was a mistake, but people who were watching him said he looked calm, not confused or panicked. and he plowed through lots of people while accelerating.
a few weeks earlier he had turned directly into the front of a bank building. yet they still let him drive...
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Human nature just makes people want to do whatever it is the thing is made for. Obviously, the majority of passengers know what the door is, and know not to pull its lever.
However, when confused, if you think something is whatever it is you're looking for, you would use the handle. This is why they work so well in emergencies, they are easy to open, and people know how to do it. No point having an emergency door if no-one can operate it!
The flipside is when people get confused and try and do it mistakenly!!
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15814 posts, RR: 50 Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12309 times:
" yet they still let him drive..."
I lived in South Florida for 7 years....'nuff said.
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7724 posts, RR: 55 Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12279 times:
Hawaiian Airlines spokesman Keoni Wagner said..."There was no consequence -- the door did not open, there was no loss of cabin pressure or any of that stuff." Where the hell do Hawaiian Airlines find their so-called spokesmen?! Kindergarten in the San Fernando Valley?! "...Or any of that stuff"?! The mind boggles.
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September11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 23 Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12257 times:
RDURAMPER From United States of America, joined May 2005, 42 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12249 times:
I know that during provisioning training we were told if you look thru the window and the red flag is down, try to look through to the other side to see who is standing there before you start knocking on the door. You just never know when there will be an elderly person trying to help out the nice young man out there...
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Travatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2172 posts, RR: 11 Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12237 times:
I'm still amazed at how many people with apparent full mental capacities, attempt to open the cockpit door or better yet, that tiny closet door, thinking it's the lavatory. Unfamiliar environements make people do strange things.
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29367 posts, RR: 61 Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12154 times:
Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 11): Hawaiian Airlines spokesman Keoni Wagner said..."There was no consequence -- the door did not open, there was no loss of cabin pressure or any of that stuff." Where the hell do Hawaiian Airlines find their so-called spokesmen?! Kindergarten in the San Fernando Valley?! "...Or any of that stuff"?! The mind boggles.
I think he was speaking to that portion of the public, who's only knowledge of airplanes comes from watching the Airport movies, when they first came out. Stupid as it sounds there are people who wonder that.
Quoting Litz (Reply 9): I've always wondered, though ... that big, huge red lever on a CRJ's door ...
and the accompanying sticker on the stair ...
"DO NOT OPEN DURING FLIGHT"
I think it has something to do with Canadian Airplanes.
I remember that DHC had to put out a SB to relable the lav door and the aft gally door on the Dash-8-300 because people where getting the two confused.
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PA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1952 posts, RR: 26 Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12127 times:
I still marvel at the number of people who can't figure out how to open the folding style lavatory doors. Why on earth manufactures still have ashtrays on the front of these doors I'll never understand. One one flight, I watched over 2 dozen passengers pull the astray out of the door instead of pushing where the door handle says "PUSH". So, I don't blame the old fart for seeing an actual door handle and giving it a tug.
September11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 23 Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12073 times:
Bwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 676 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12059 times:
And the number of passengers who tug on the flight deck door handle instead of the foward toilet on a 737/757, even though the flight deck door has a big sign saying "CREW ONLY" and the toilet door has a big sign saying "TOILET".
We say to the passengers who try that, Don't go through there and do what you were going to do, it doesn't make the Captain a happy chappy".
And the people who tug the ashtray - Turn the handle - it works just like the door on your trailer!
Did you know that's it's a no go item if an ashtray is missing on a door?! Even though smoking's not allowed, you still need somewhere safe to put a ciggy out if some idiot tries to light up. After all, you don't want it going in the toilet bin - full of paper towels.
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13369 posts, RR: 64 Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11929 times:
I really doubt that this man was able to operate the door handle. The door gets pressed firmly into it´s seat by cabin pressure and even the Governator wouldn´t be able to open it or force the handle.
It is a PLUG TYPE DOOR, g*ddamnit!
Sorry, ANCFlyer, but I have to borrow your Bullshit flag!
Tod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1687 posts, RR: 3 Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11695 times:
Quoting PA110 (Reply 16): still have ashtrays on the front of these doors
Because if the manufacturer built the lav without it, the lav would be a new design and have to be recertified. Not usually that expensive of a deal, but for some operators, every penny counts.
Quoting JetBlue (Reply 22): upward and into the ceiling by motor? Aren't the mechanicals a bit different from the plug type?
IIRC - the door does not have a motor, but does have a spring counterweight to assist raising it. Nonetheless, the pressure differential would preclude it going anywhere.
Aa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3338 posts, RR: 8 Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11640 times:
Quoting Litz (Reply 9): I've always wondered, though ... that big, huge red lever on a CRJ's door ...
and the accompanying sticker on the stair ...
"DO NOT OPEN DURING FLIGHT"
CRJ doors can be opened during flight, IIRC.
Quoting Tod (Reply 23): IIRC - the door does not have a motor, but does have a spring counterweight to assist raising it. Nonetheless, the pressure differential would preclude it going anywhere.
Door 1L of the 762 (I think all L doors on the 763) do have electric motors.
AAndrew
25 Kaneporta1: When a man's gotta go, a man has got to go...It was probably number 2, that's why he just jumped up and headed to the first door he could see...
26 NYCA330: it seems the media usually like to interview the dumbest passenger possible when this kind of event happens. I mean, the captain made an announcement
27 Airlinelover: That would be a hell of a way to evacuate your bowels.. Chris
28 Gary2880: i hope they let him go to the toilet before they explained to him what he was trying to do
29 MD11Engineer: The door is smaller than the opening. It sits on doorstops attached to the door frame and is pressed into it´s seat by the cabin pressure, with a rub
30 Jafa39: They should have a sign saying; "Poo" on the toilet door and one saying: "In the Poo" On the outside door.
31 YZFOO7F: I still marvel at the number of people who can't figure out how to open the folding style lavatory doors.Its incredible. I almost spend more time watc
32 Baw716: It is my understanding that cabin doors cannot be opened in flight due to the difference in cabin pressure and the way the door is designed, smaller o
33 Aa757first: BAW716, You are correct. The only exception is the CRJ, which does not have a plug type door. They, theoretically, can be opened inflight. The 747 has
34 ComeAndGo: It's called button-pusher-syndrome They press or pull anything they get their hands on.
35 AvionicMech: The 737 overwing exits are not plug type but they have flight locks on them to stop people opening them in the air.
36 ComeAndGo: The fact that people mistake the lavatory door with the cockpit door or aircraft exit speaks for bad design on part of the aircraft manufacturers and
37 S12PPL: Since Airbus started putting windows in the A346? Seriously though...Wow. Even knowing a door could not open at that altitude in a pressurized plane.
38 Fbgdavidson: Well if that is what F is like then no wonder he wanted to get out fast ...did the designer have a fetish for Cadbury's chocolate?
39 Chris777: Does anyone know what is the situation with the old TU-134`s door .Because it is opening to the outside.
40 Chris777: ooops my bad it was long time ago when i flew on one.It is opening inside.Sorry....never mind ,
41 KDTWFlyer: Now that wouldn't be loud at all would it?
42 Baw716: AAndrew, Thanks! Another question...why would the CRJ be built with a cabin door that could be opened in flight? To me that would be a huge safety def
43 Milesrich: The solution, a New cabin announcement. "Persons under 15 and over 70 may not sit in an exit row."
44 Silver1SWA: I recall hearing the same thing when I was training in Dallas. This refers to the automatic slide deployment. It can knock you right off the truck. N
45 ComeAndGo: If you suffer from delusion that doesn't help. Some people get panic attacks in their mid 30's and 40's. They can do anything in a plane, like sudden
46 MD11Engineer: You are refering to the new emergency exit doors intalled on the B737NG, which swing out and upwards. The old emergency exit doors are classical plug
47 Blackbird1331: At that age, having to get to the toilet is an emergency.
48 ACdreamliner: i always thought that the emergancy exit row was onl to be given to young ale bodied folk. Let me say here and no I have nothing against the eldery or
49 MD11Engineer: The reason why emergency exit rows are only supposed to be given to able bodied persons is that the older style plug type exit doors have to be lifted
50 IslipWN: De Carlo said after he and other first-class passengers moved to the rear of the plane, the captain announced: "Don't worry. The worst that would happ
51 Gt1: Here is a little calculation for those of us that are not "in" the industry. I the believe the entry/service doors on the 767 are roughly 36 by 70 inc
52 Starlionblue: As Jerry Seinfeld said, the state flag of Florida should just be a baseball cap and two hands holding a steering wheel. "They drive slow, they sit lo
53 Aa757first: I'm not really sure. I'm almost positive, however, that it is not a plug door. A mechanic (from Mesa?) hangs out on Tech/Ops. Maybe you want to pose
54 Hmmmm...: The plug principle still applies. Before the doors can go up, they must first came in a few inches.
55 Ha763: The 3L/R doors are type I doors. They are actually located behind the wing and open downwards.
56 Pualani: One of the pics is of coach class actually. Talked with some of the crew off that flight and they told me that the woman travelling with the gentlema
57 MD-90: Whoa, that's cool. I would think that the CRJ door just pivots outwards. I don't think most bizjet doors are plug doors, since there's typically very
58 KaiGywer: When you pull the handle on a CRJ, the door lifts a little bit before coming out. The cargo door on a CRJ will fall in, then go up into the ceiling.
59 VHXLR8: On a 763 in standard configuration (4 doors and 4 overwing exits), only door L1 is a motorised door. All doors, however, will have power assist engag
60 Starlionblue: Most plug doors only come in a very little bit before being pushed out. You don't need a lot of space. The exception is DC-10 type doors which dissap
61 AvionicMech: There is no actual power assist on the 767 doors they just have a counter balance in the ceiling above each door, which is basically just a big sprin
62 VHXLR8: Avionic Mech, thanks for the further info mate! The way that I was always taught during training was that arming a door on a 767 (in fact any widebody
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