ETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7 Posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 12903 times:
Diversions into Canada are the norm these days, with a drunkard disrupting a flight or someone not being welcome into the US and even paranoia on the part of US authorities. Why are these flights diverted into Canada instead of one of the US states which are only a few miles away? Why does Canada have to deal with the scum of flights?
Algoz From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 12884 times:
Didn't you know that Canada was a US protectorate???
It is not as important as the USA, so it doesn't matter if undesirables that were headed to the US end up in Canada.
Canada must do as the US tells it. They have to be protected at all costs, even at the expense of "foreigners" (ie Canadians).
EnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 860 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12802 times:
They land in Canada because they are flying over Canada. Even on 9/11 I don't think any flights that were in the US were pushed back out to Canada. Most flights from Asia or Europe to the US fly through Canadian airspace. We can see this as a benefit because it puts us in a bargaining position or we can see it as a threat. Personally I don't think too many Canadians are worried about these flights landing in Canada.
YEGspotter From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12753 times:
The majority of all flights from Europe to mainland USA travel over Canada at some point - why would they not land in Canada?? If safety is an issue, it makes perfect sense to get the aircraft on the ground as fast as possible, and that generally means Canada. I am completely confident that the law enforcement officials in this country can deal with any of the "scum" that might end up in this country.....
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12739 times:
The answer is one word........geography. On most Europe to US flights, Canada is the first place to get an aircraft on the ground after crossing the Atlantic, thus, the diversions. Many here do not remember the days when Gander and Goose Bay were regular fuel/technical stops on transatlantic routes.
Do note, however, Bangor, Maine, has seen its share of diversions for security and other reasons, it being the first airport available on US territory after crossing the Atlantic.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21998 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12629 times:
this whole topic is dumb. i'm tired of people making such comments because they just want to hate things or get angry over things due to other concerns or biases
most diversions I've seen recently are to Bangor. last time I checked, that's in the US. this one was to Canada because the Canadian airforce intercepted it. it's even explained in most reports.
it is also SOP to divert a plane away from it's intended "target" in such a case, since now we know that there is potential to use them as missles. in the past, the rules may have been different.
on 9/11, Canada took all flights because US airports went into lock down and shut down. Canada, as nice as they were, didn't want to see all those planes fall out of the sky when they ran out of fuel. we thank them for that.
our airports would do the same. if there was an issue with a flight to canada from mexico or south america over the USA, it would land in the US. same for any Canadian national emergencies.
grow up, guy.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 12959 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 12283 times:
Quoting Algoz (Reply 1): Didn't you know that Canada was a US protectorate?
Please, is that really necessary? Are you kidding, or serious?
Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 2): The last time I looked, Canadian soil is crossed over first from the westbound European flights over North America.
Exactly. I feel pretty confident that if Mexico was our northern neighbor, then that country would get medical/security/disruption diversions. I think it has a lot more to do with geography than politics or the US wanting to "dump" its unruly passengers or security threats on Canada. And, by the way, Iceland has received its fair share of US airline diversions over the years, so obviously it's not only Canada the US is "picking on."
Quoting ETStar (Reply 15): why should canada have to deal with any consequences that may arise because of things like 'US no fly lists', which contain the names of people who are not allowed to enter the states.
If Canada decided to close its airspace, or if an AC flight from GRU to YYZ had an unruly passenger on it, do you think the flight would divert to MIA, or CLT, or JFK, or anywhere US? I think so, and I doubt too many Americans would view it as Canada dumping its crap on the US, but rather as an airplane at 30,000 ft wanting to get a safety risk off the plane and on the ground ASAP.
Hardkor From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12205 times:
This shouldn't be that much of an issue. The flight was over Canadian airspace, and was intercepted by two CF18 fighters. A level of cooperation has to be expected between these two countries, especially for geographic and practicality purposes in relation to possible security threats
Gearup From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 578 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 12133 times:
Ah! give it a rest. The US are our next door neighbours, if we can't help them out once in a while, what kind of a neighbour would we be. They are there for us too, we have our differences but that's okay. BTW, it's not just Canada that ends up dealing with air rage etc. Shannon airport in Ireland gets it's fair share of those too for the same reason Canada does. Canada is the landfall going west, Ireland is often the landfall going east. I seem to remember a British airliner landing in Shannon to disembark 2 unruly Canadians who seemingly could not handle British beer!
Bond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5646 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 12025 times:
First of all.....Since I reside in the US, travel to Canada frequently, and am a citizen of neither, I can tell you that Canada has far stricter immigration laws/requirements than the US. I've been working between the 2 countries for 12 years! ..BUT this is clearly off topic for this thread!!!
...as for landing in Canada...remember that often the US authorities will not allow an airliner to enter US airspace, therefore there are few options. I guess we should be thankful that Canada doesn't refuse them either!
I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
Lt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 11925 times:
Because Canada and the US have treaties and agreements under NORAD that allow it. Canadian generals are in the chain at NORAD for just such reasons.
We have ~40 Comanning Canadians on AWACS, just for the NORAD (who, as a sidenote, even went to War with us in Iraq) mission. THe Canadians are at every sector in the US and at Cheyenne MT, and the US has forces at CANR.
And yes as noted above they were Canadian CF-18s. On another sidenote, kudos to Alberta for another great Maple FLag, I had a good time.
Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,
Capt-AWACS, I'd like to super size that with a diet coke
FlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7505 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11451 times:
Well Halifax and St. Johns do come before the US so with those drunk passengers and all well they go to the closet airport. Which most of the time would be a Canadian Airport.
With passengers on the US no fly list. Well the pilots dont have much of a choice since ATC wont let them in US Airspace unless it is an emergency.
"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)