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User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3382 times:

For years, LH only served FRA from LAX, while SFO had both MUC and FRA service.

With the summer schedule showing two daily FRA and one MUC...

Is LAX best served by more FRA than MUC?

Was SFO such a different market than LAX that it got MUC service earlier?

Are there plans to increase MUC versus FRA for other USA destinations?

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User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3352 times:

As far as I know LH has had LAX-FRA and LAX-MUC for quite a while now. LAX-FRA is 2x/day on 744's, and LAX-MUC is 1x/day on an A340.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3286 times:

Quoting N77014 (Thread starter):
For years, LH only served FRA from LAX, while SFO had both MUC and FRA service.

With the summer schedule showing two daily FRA and one MUC...

Actually, LAX-MUC has existed for a long time. In fact, it was even run in the days of the 742. It just happened to be much more seasonal. After MUC-THR was added to the schedule, the MUC flight got more important. Also, the A340's lower capacity helps there

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 1):
LAX-FRA is 2x/day on 744's, and LAX-MUC is 1x/day on an A340.

Actually, LAX-FRA is 10X per week in the winter season, going daily in the summer. LAX-MUC used to be either summer only or 3X per week in the winter. It is pretty much daily year-round now, helped by the aforementioned MUC-THR flight. LH fills their 744s basically every day out of LAX and is almost always the most expensive way to get to FRA.



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User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3264 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
Actually, LAX-FRA is 10X per week in the winter season, going daily in the summer.

Do you mean double-daily in the summer?


User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3262 times:

So THR is only served via MUC?

Are there destinations ex MUC not served by FRA?

Would a third FRA flight from LAX work better than MUC? Or would it miss a late departure bank that could be made in MUC?


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3248 times:

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 3):
Do you mean double-daily in the summer?

Yes, thanks for the catch

Quoting N77014 (Reply 4):
So THR is only served via MUC?

No, it is also served, by larger aircraft, from FRA. I was stating that the MUC-THR flight helps fill the LAX-MUC flight and gives LH another connecting opportunity

Quoting N77014 (Reply 4):
Would a third FRA flight from LAX work better than MUC?

Nope, because the time difference does not allow it. I still don't understand why they don't keep 450/451 all year instead of 456/457, considering that you hit the Indian flights as well with 450/451 and miss them with 456/457



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3240 times:

Quoting N77014 (Reply 4):
So THR is only served via MUC?

Nope, in fact, the MUC-THR flights will be (or already are) discontinued.

Quoting N77014 (Reply 4):
Are there destinations ex MUC not served by FRA?

ESB comes directly into my mind, there may be a few others.

Patrick

PS: FRA-LAX was flown nonstop by LH for the first time ever on May 13, 1977, my birthday. Big grin


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3240 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 6):
Nope, in fact, the MUC-THR flights will be (or already are) discontinued.

Or am I confusing MUC-THR with MUC-DXB now?

Patrick


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3223 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 7):
Or am I confusing MUC-THR with MUC-DXB now?

That would be it, as the O&D between LAX and THR is one of the main reasons LH added MUC-THR

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 6):
FRA-LAX was flown nonstop by LH for the first time ever on May 13, 1977, my birthday

And has probably been LH's consistantly best performing route ever since



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3214 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 8):
That would be it, as the O&D between LAX and THR is one of the main reasons LH added MUC-THR

I remembered that I read somewhere that MUC-"some Middle East city" will be discontinued, I thought it was THR but after looking on Amadeus.net I can confirm that it is DXB. No nonstop flights are shown between MUC and DXB on LH. Sorry for the mistake!

Is there such a large Iranian community around LAX?

I can only say that flights to and from THR are booming, in the last year I flew DUS-THR-BKK and back on Mahan Air, and all flights were filled completely.

Patrick


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3190 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 9):
Is there such a large Iranian community around LAX?

The City of Los Angeles has the largest Iranian community outside Iran in the world. Add to that the thousands who live in Orange County, Ventura County and parts of Los Angeles County not part of the City Proper, and then consider that the traffic goes both ways and you are talking a significant number of through seats that BA, KL and LH sell. SR used to be a major player on the route as well, until their problems with capacity popped up and they cut LAX to 5X and cut THR all together



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3170 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
The City of Los Angeles has the largest Iranian community outside Iran in the world. Add to that the thousands who live in Orange County, Ventura County and parts of Los Angeles County

Wow, I didn't know that, interesting.

Patrick


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3158 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 11):
Wow, I didn't know that, interesting.

Hey, how do you think I got here??  Big grin There is a reason they call it Tehrangales



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User currently offlineUAMAYBACH1239 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3153 times:

Quoting N77014 (Thread starter):
Was SFO such a different market than LAX that it got MUC service earlier?

LAX has twice the carriers serving FRA and MUC compared to SFO.
Much more competition.
 Cool



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26170 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3151 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 9):
Is there such a large Iranian community around LAX?

Like mentioned above the Southern California region does have a huge ethnic Iranian community.

In fact the community and traffic is so large some airlines specifically tailor their LAX flight schedules to connect to their Tehran services.



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3151 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
Hey, how do you think I got here??

Are you from Iranian origin or do you have family (from) there?

Patrick


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3142 times:

Quoting UAMAYBACH1239 (Reply 13):
LAX has twice the carriers serving FRA and MUC compared to SFO.
Much more competition.

Actually, the LH LAX-MUC flights are now hub + O&D flights as opposed to just O&D flights

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 14):
In fact the community and traffic is so large some airlines specifically tailor their LAX flight schedules to connect to their Tehran services.

All of them do. AZ also used to connect their LAX-MXP flight to MXP-THR. That would be a major part of any return to service by them



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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 5010 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3043 times:

Winter 2006.

Lufthansa will fly daily MUC-DXB

Will temporarily postpone MUC-THR, MUC-YUL and MUC-BOS.


User currently offlineComeAndGo From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1041 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2983 times:

Wasn't Lufthansa going to shift part of their FRA hub to MUC?

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2973 times:

Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 18):
Wasn't Lufthansa going to shift part of their FRA hub to MUC?

Not shift so much as grow faster at MUC



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User currently offlineComeAndGo From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1041 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2957 times:

I think I read an article recently that said that Lufthansa was running out of capacity in Frankfurt. It had something to do with the hub and the flow of passengers through their terminal. They wanted to send traffic from certain cities through Munich instead of Frankfurt.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2875 times:

Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 20):
I think I read an article recently that said that Lufthansa was running out of capacity in Frankfurt.

The main issue at FRA is not terminal space, rather lack of runway capacity. Also, there are already plans for a new terminal when Rhein-Main AFB closes. The fourth runway is still trying to get built



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User currently offlineComeAndGo From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1041 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2859 times:

what's with that fourth runway not being built?

User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2798 times:

Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 22):
what's with that fourth runway not being built?

The short answer: it's still stuck somewhere in planning and politics...

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
The main issue at FRA is not terminal space, rather lack of runway capacity.

True, the runway is the main one - but the terminal, at peak times, isn't much behind in being an issue...  Wink

Quoting UAMAYBACH1239 (Reply 13):
LAX has twice the carriers serving FRA and MUC compared to SFO.

Are you thinking of nonstops? For LAX, I can think of LH and AI, while for SFO I can think of LH and UA - which two other carriers does LAX have?  Confused

Regards,
Frank



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User currently offlineFlight85 From Sweden, joined May 2005, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2687 times:

Are they only using Combi 744´s to KLAX and SFO? or do they just send at random sometime M and some time normal? or do they follow a schedule?



Best regards:Alexander


25 Leskova : I'm not aware of LH using Combis at all: as far as I know, all Combis were converted to full pax config a while back. Regards, Frank
26 HT : @Flight85: There are no 744M´s in LH´s inventory. Try KL if you´re looking for 744M´s. -HT
27 N77014 : Is MUC a more convenient transit point than FRA? How does LH assign capacity from LAX to transit if both hubs are available; do they try to sell FRA o
28 Post contains links Flight85 : Oh yeah !!??? what about all the pics from 2005 that are 744M http://www.airliners.net/open.file/800309/L/ example right there. Also since when did th
29 Johnnybgoode : LH used to operate some 744 Combis. however, all of them have been reconfigured to full pax. rgds daniel
30 Flight85 : When did this happend? becuse the pic i showd link for was from 2005. Rgrds:Alexander
31 MAH4546 : MUC-LAX was 3x weekly last winter, as were MUC-CLT/MIA/SFO.
32 N77014 : Does MUC attract a different O/D than FRA?
33 Flight85 : Hi ! again and if you guys say no more M for Lufthansa is KLM the only airline in the world that still uses 744M?? Best regards:Alexander
34 PanHAM : The combis are still in the fleet (about 9) but are configured as full pax for several years now, can't say exactrly how long. KL could be really the
35 Post contains images HT : As MUC´s Terminal 2 is only 2 years old and was co-designed and co-built and is co-operated by LH, (while FRA´s T1 was designed in the late 1960s a
36 N1120A : Yes, actually, it does. MUC is a destination for many passengers, as it is more of a tourist destination than FRA. Both are business centers, with FR
37 Post contains images HT : @N1120A At least I´ve got 2 out of 3 ...
38 N77014 : What other LH markets get both FRA/MUC long haul service?
39 Wdleiser : FRA/MUC - JFK I believe KLM operates the 744M into KIAH. I always get to see it opening up and such when ever I'm departing to FRA on my Lufty flight
40 Post contains images HT : Details of course can be found on LH´s website Some of the following services are seasonal: BOS, EWR, JFK, ORD, SFO, LAX BKK, HKG, NRT, PEK DXB, THR
41 Kevin752 : LH has 2 Daily flights durring the summer to FRA and there should be another one. LH is always over booked on both flights in and out of LAX all summe
42 N77014 : [quote=Kevin752,reply=41]LH has 2 Daily flights durring the summer to FRA and there should be another one. LH is always over booked on both flights in
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