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Air Namibia To Get A340's And Additional MD11  
User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7126 times:

Air Namibia has signed a deal for 2 Airbus A340-300's!

They will be leased in a 7yr deal by Courbevoie, France. The first aircraft will be deleivered from LH in December and the second will arrive in september 06! Air Namibia will also shortly receive an additonal MD-11 and start a 3x weekly services to LHR!

Where will they get the MD-11 from?
Does anyone know the regs. of the LH aircraft for Air Namibia?


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7076 times:

I too read that Air Namibia will be getting two A343s - a good choice for their routes to London and Frankfurt - the 744s that they have flown in the past were too big for the routes out of Winkhoek to Europe (plus and occassional turn to Joberg or Capetown).

My understanding was that they will get the first leased A343 (which will be an ex LH aircraft) to add London to the route system and will retain the MD11 that they are now leasing (its an ex-LTY, ex-SR aircraft) until the second A343 is delivered......not sure where the second A343 is coming from, is it another ex-LH aircraft (its surprising that LH is eliminating any long haul aircraft.....I thought LH was very short on longrange airliners at the moment?) or from another source?

I guess when the first A343 is delivered, it will be introduced on the Frankfurt service and the MD11 will be transferred to the new London (LHR - I guess) service until the second A343 is delivered to Air Namibia.

Any news on smaller short to medium range aircraft for Air Namibia? Arent they still flying 737-200s?


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7063 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 1):
I guess when the first A343 is delivered, it will be introduced on the Frankfurt service and the MD11 will be transferred to the new London (LHR - I guess) service until the second A343 is delivered to Air Namibia.

Depends on which one will have the higher capacity - I'd guess that that'll be the one flying to FRA.

As for London, last comments I heard pointed towards LGW instead of LHR.

By the way - the B747-400 wasn't necessarily too large (it was a Combi, so not that many seats - and the freight compartment was usually very well filled): what it was, was too expensive.

Regards,
Frank



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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7047 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 1):
Arent they still flying 737-200s

Yep, theyre still flying 737-200's, 3 I think!

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 1):
guess when the first A343 is delivered, it will be introduced on the Frankfurt service and the MD11 will be transferred to the new London (LHR - I guess) service until the second A343 is delivered to Air Namibia.

Air Namibia are getting an additional MD-11 to operate Windhoek-LHR, I think the reg. is V5-NMD (ex.SR HB-IWH)!

Is there enough demand for a possible US flight?

Rob!


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7015 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 3):

Air Namibia are getting an additional MD-11 to operate Windhoek-LHR, I think the reg. is V5-NMD (ex.SR HB-IWH)!

Is there enough demand for a possible US flight?

Rob!

So, I guess this means that the London flight will be introduced before any of the A343s are delivered? And, then Air Namibia will transition from a 2 MD11 longhaul fleet to a 2 A343 fleet.

As for a US flight, I dont think so, its a long distance and I am not sure there would be enough demand even for a once per week operation (if that was financially practical which it probably isn't)......I was lucky enough to visit this interersting country, but its certainly still off the beaten path.......the few Americans that do visit Namibia usually do so as part of an exotic cruise itinerary.


User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6891 times:

assuming that LH will indeed pass on the two currently leased ex-Sabena A340-300s, than the rego's will be D-AIMF and D-AIMG.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 1):
I thought LH was very short on longrange airliners at the moment?)

Rumor has it that two of three Bluewings A330-200s sitting at CGN (all of them being ex-SR aircraft previously operated by LH) have already been leased back by LH. those could be used to replace the two leased A343s.

rgds
daniel



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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6876 times:

Is anybody thinking of whether SW might increase its frequencies on WDH - FRA ?
These services flown by SW currently compete with 2 flights p/w by LT out of MUC (flown with A330).
Apart from that, there are no other options from Germany to WDH w/o connecting thru JNB or CPT which is a longer route ... - somebody can show me an alternative ?

Btw, SW parks its a/c rather long at FRA: arrive at 0845h - depart 2000h.
Couldn´t they continue that flight to another place north of FRA ? Something like AMS, CPH, ARN or even MAN (in addition to the proposed LON-flight) ?



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User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6819 times:

Quoting Johnnybgoode (Reply 5):
Rumor has it that two of three Bluewings A330-200s sitting at CGN (all of them being ex-SR aircraft previously operated by LH) have already been leased back by LH. those could be used to replace the two leased A343s.

Returning two currently leased A340s and leasing back two A330s that have already been previously leased and returned? Sounds weird in that context ...

My guess is that the A340-311s (still not upgraded!!) ex Sabena planes leave the fleet with the arrival of the second batch of A346s and that the A330 (if so) are leased back only for the summer.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6809 times:

Quoting HT (Reply 6):
Is anybody thinking of whether SW might increase its frequencies on WDH - FRA ?
These services flown by SW currently compete with 2 flights p/w by LT out of MUC (flown with A330).
Apart from that, there are no other options from Germany to WDH w/o connecting thru JNB or CPT which is a longer route ... - somebody can show me an alternative ?

Btw, SW parks its a/c rather long at FRA: arrive at 0845h - depart 2000h.
Couldn´t they continue that flight to another place north of FRA ? Something like AMS, CPH, ARN or even MAN (in addition to the proposed LON-flight) ?

SW and LT have the Germany-Windhoek market covered - Namibia has a rather small population and Germany gets the longhaul service due to the historical connections between the 2 nations. There is limited business and tourist demand (Namibia has not developed into a big tourist destination nor or there major corporate outposts in Windhoek, for example) - some pax do travel to Namibia via South Africa even if it is a bit out of the way. I am curious to see whether the London flight is a success.

As far as service to other European cities, there is simply not adequate demand at this time - and flying an A343 (or MD11) nearly empty from FRA or LON on to another European city would cost lots of money. Its true that the SW aircraft will spend a good amount of ground time in Europe (with morning arrivals and night time departures) but this is not unusual, it happens with many longhaul routes in order to arrange for sensible schedules with reasonable departure/arrival times, but its probably far more cost effecient just to let the aircraft sit at LON or FRA than to fly it to another destination and back. Its likely that while at FRA, LH will do some maintainance work and checks on the A343s.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6784 times:

Quoting Johnnybgoode (Reply 5):
assuming that LH will indeed pass on the two currently leased ex-Sabena A340-300s, than the rego's will be D-AIMF and D-AIMG.

Is there any confirmation that the two ex-SN A343s will be the aircraft going to SW?


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6776 times:

Quoting HT (Reply 6):
Apart from that, there are no other options from Germany to WDH w/o connecting thru JNB or CPT which is a longer route ... - somebody can show me an alternative ?

There is none, unless some new combination has eluded me... Namibia is very restrictive in terms of letting foreign airlines into the country, as far as I know, the only non-African airlines allowed in are LTU and Lufthansa, the latter not using it's rights right now.

Quoting HT (Reply 6):
Couldn´t they continue that flight to another place north of FRA ?

They could - and they did: the B747-400 continued to London, and then sat there half the day. Financially, it didn't make sense - although they even had traffic rights for FRA-LHR for a while before axing the route... and they often had quite good fares on that sector.

As for increasing the frequencies to FRA - that was one of the things I had heard from SW, but currently it has become somewhat quiet; not sure how their plans look at the moment.

Quoting HT (Reply 6):
Btw, SW parks its a/c rather long at FRA: arrive at 0845h - depart 2000h.

On Thursdays, Saturdays and Mondays they arrive in FRA at 05:55, on Tuesdays they arrive in FRA at 21:35 - all flights from FRA to WDH depart at 22:45.

Regards,
Frank



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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6758 times:

Frank, do SW still have rights for FRA-LHR?

Would SW make a return to LHR or move to LGW?

Does any other Euro carries fly to Windhoek?

Rob!


User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2603 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6690 times:
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This news has been on the Air Namibia website for several months;

Quoting Air Namibia:

Monday 14 March 2005
Air Namibia flies to London from July

Yesterday at the ITB travel fair in Berlin, Air Namibia’s Managing Director Kosmas H Egumbo announced to the Namibian travel trade and members of the international media that Air Namibia will introduce direct flights between Windhoek and London as from July. Earlier in the week Kosmas Egumbo and Andre Compion of Air Namibia concluded negotiations for the second long haul aircraft.

A similar McDonnell Douglas MD-11 aircraft to that currently used on the Frankfurt route will initially be used on the United Kingdom services until such time as the Airbus A340-300 is introduced. It is anticipated that the Airbus will take over these services in 2006.

Northbound flights will leave Windhoek’s Hosea Kutako International Airport on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday evenings, arriving London Gatwick the next morning. Return services will leave from the North Terminal Gatwick Airport London on Wednesday, Friday and Sunday evenings, arriving Windhoek the next morning. The inaugural northbound service will be operated on Saturday 2nd July.

Schedule:
Depart: Windhoek - 18h40
Arrive: London - 04h55

Depart: London - 21h30
Arrive: Windhoek - 07h45

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6668 times:

@Leskova: Tnx for the info.

Quoting Leskova (Reply 10):
They could - and they did: the B747-400 continued to London, and then sat there half the day. Financially, it didn't make sense - although they even had traffic rights for FRA-LHR for a while before axing the route... and they often had quite good fares on that sector.

I thought that I´ve seen those flights a while ago, but wasn´t too sure about it. So I preferred to not to post it here.

Quoting Leskova (Reply 10):
Quoting HT (Reply 6):
Btw, SW parks its a/c rather long at FRA: arrive at 0845h - depart 2000h.

On Thursdays, Saturdays and Mondays they arrive in FRA at 05:55, on Tuesdays they arrive in FRA at 21:35 - all flights from FRA to WDH depart at 22:45.

The times I quoted were what I found for departures in October 2005, but I´m not sure if it is the same schedule for every rotation.
-HT



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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6658 times:

According to Aviation Letter the two A340-311s will be
-C/N 47 ex D-AIMF/OO-SCY
-C/N 51 ex D-AIMG/OO-SCZ


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6605 times:

Here's a pic of SW's new MD-11, the info of the pic says that it will replace the current MD-11?

Rob!


User currently offlineKa From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 662 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6556 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 15):
the info of the pic says that it will replace the current MD-11?

No, V5-NMD supplements -NMC for a daily WDH-Europe service (4/7 WDH-FRA, 3/7 WDH-LGW).

NMC will leave the fleet when the first A343 arrives and will go to UPS after frighter-conversion. NMD will follow after the second A343 arrived.

Quoting Leskova (Reply 10):
On Thursdays, Saturdays and Mondays they arrive in FRA at 05:55, on Tuesdays they arrive in FRA at 21:35 - all flights from FRA to WDH depart at 22:45.

From 4th July all FRA-WDH-FRA flight will depart at the same time (22:45 ex FRA, 19:00 ex WDH).

Quoting Johnnybgoode (Reply 5):
Rumor has it that two of three Bluewings A330-200s sitting at CGN (all of them being ex-SR aircraft previously operated by LH) have already been leased back by LH. those could be used to replace the two leased A343s.

Or go to LX for the expected longhaul expansion for which originally the ex-SN A343s had been rumoured, which go to SW now.

KA.



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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5898 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 11):
Frank, do SW still have rights for FRA-LHR?

Not sure, but with the flights to London being planned as Nonstop instead of via Frankfurt, these traffic rights, if still existant, will not be used. Actually, I'm not absolutely sure, but I somehow remember them stopping the sale of the FRA-LHR segments a bit before they axed the flights, but I'm not 100% sure of it at the moment.

Quoting B742 (Reply 11):
Does any other Euro carries fly to Windhoek?

LTU does (ex MUC) - currently, to my knowledge, that's it. Lufthansa used to, in connection with HRE for quite a while, after the FRA-JNB flight, that used to continue to HRE on something like 3 days a week and CPT on the other days, was switched to CPT daily - to keep HRE in the schedule, the WDH flight was extended to HRE: the nice thing was that LH also had traffic rights for the WDH-HRE segment and were, at the time, the only airline serving the route. But that, too, didn't help - the whole route was cancelled.

There were occasional rumors that DE would be taking over LH's route to WDH, but that never materialized.

Quoting HT (Reply 13):
The times I quoted were what I found for departures in October 2005, but I´m not sure if it is the same schedule for every rotation.

Ok, that explains it - I looked at the current times.

Quoting Ka (Reply 16):
From 4th July all FRA-WDH-FRA flight will depart at the same time (22:45 ex FRA, 19:00 ex WDH).

Good to see SW harmonizing their departure times - so I guess the daytime flight to FRA is history then? I never quite understood that flight, because it comes into FRA so late that you're basically stuck here: no connecting flights (I think there's a flight to MUC that you could reach if you're very, very lucky), trains won't get you very far because it's just too late and most ICEs and regular trains don't run at night: the only way you'll get away from Frankfurt if you live somewhere else is by car - or by staying at a hotel for the night and taking a train/plane the next morning.

Regards,
Frank



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User currently offlineWelwitschia From Namibia, joined Mar 2005, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5802 times:

A comment from the country curremtly being discussed. the two A340-300's got a mention in the local paper on thursday. WRT the second MD11 - news to me. However I welcome this decision as we are are a large country (824 000km2) with only 1.9 million people and lots of tourist potential. Tourism has actually since independance crept into second spot for foreign money earned after mining.
Namibia's biggest influx of tourists come from Germany, Italy, France and the US. With about 30 000 germanspeaking people (including myself) it is obvious why it is so popular with tourists from Germany, as daily life is influenced by german culture i.e. architecture, food, beer (Deutsches Reinheitsgebot) etc.

Air Namibia is state owned but run like a private company (parastatel) and is subsidised year in year out at the tax payers expense . First of all its management structure is top heavy and secondly we all know how tough the aviation industry is. However it so important for our government to have a national airline. We as the tax payers have argued for years to sign an agreement with LH of some sort where we supply cabin crew and pilots and LH the aircraft and maintanance.
Although I feel proud that we are getting airbus equipment I think that in the long run Air Namibia will not be able to sustain itself, unless an agreement with some other airline is made - maybe LTU/LH and we as the taxpayers will keep on footing the bill.
Other than that - Namibia is a truely great place


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5415 times:

Good luck to Air Namibia with those two ex-SN A343s. Those planes were in a less than desirable condidition when they were still at Sabena, and from what I've heard, the situation has apparently not improved during their tenure at Lufthansa. Incidentally, these birds started their lives with Air France, as Sabena immediately sub-leased them to AF before taking them back after the AF-SN partnership was replaced by the SR-tie up.

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4912 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 19):
Good luck to Air Namibia with those two ex-SN A343s. Those planes were in a less than desirable condidition when they were still at Sabena, and from what I've heard, the situation has apparently not improved during their tenure at Lufthansa. Incidentally, these birds started their lives with Air France, as Sabena immediately sub-leased them to AF before taking them back after the AF-SN partnership was replaced by the SR-tie up.

I have heard the same thing, both of the ex-SN A343s have a lot of history among the 3 operators.......I guess that these were the best (only) A343s that SW could get their hands on.


User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4889 times:

V5-NMD was formerly HB-IWP and N37WF (the last MD-11 built for Swiss). It was meant to join Varig last year as PP-VTV, but for some reason, it didn't, and sat idle for several months in GIG instead. If I am not mistaken it was Varig who overhauled the aircraft and prior to flying it to ZRH where it was prepared for Air Namibia.

Both Air Namibia's former and current MD-11s are earmarked for UPS.

Regards,

ZXV



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4746 times:

Quoting LVZXV (Reply 21):
V5-NMD was formerly HB-IWP and N37WF (the last MD-11 built for Swiss).

While you are right about V5-NMD being former HB-IWP, it was not the last MD11 built for Swissair. That honor goes to HB-IWQ.


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4665 times:

FYI, LH will return the last two A330-200s to the lessor by this year´s end.

User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2399 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4627 times:
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As far as I can remember Sabena experienced several problems with the A340-200 not really the A340-300.

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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 25, posted (9 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4526 times:

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 24):
As far as I can remember Sabena experienced several problems with the A340-200 not really the A340-300.

Arguably the most serious problem Sabena experienced with the A340s was the August 1998 incident during which OO-SCW, an A342 currently operating with Royal Jordanian, experienced a problem with the right main landing gear upon landing at BRU as SN542 from JFK, after which the landing gear collapsed and the aircraft slided over the runway. Here are some pics of that aircraft then and now:


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Nevertheless, also the three other aircraft in the fleet (A342 OO-SCX and A343s OO-SCY and OO-SCZ) were the source of constant source of headache for Sabena, and the result was a far lower utilization rate for the A340 fleet than the one for the A330 fleet, for which Sabena at one time received the highest utilization award from Airbus.


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Incidentally, Sabena operated a third A343 for a while, registered F-OHPZ. The aircraft was on a short term lease whilst OO-SCW was being repaired. F-OHPZ was later destroyed by Tamil Tiger rebels during their attack on Colombo's main Bandaranaike airport. The aircraft was operating with Sri Lankan as 4R-ADD at that time.


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