KC135TopBoom From United States, joined Jan 2005, 5566 posts, RR: 36 Posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1195 times:
Will TZ and WN merge? They could call themselves TWNZ (twins?), LOL.
This gets WN into the bigger US Military Contracts, and a little fleet diversification. It also gets them into DFW and around the Wright Admendment, while at the same time maintianing their hebs at DAL and MDW.
DfwRevolution From United States, joined Mar 2004, 7684 posts, RR: 55 Reply 1, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1193 times:
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter): It also gets them into DFW and around the Wright Admendment, while at the same time maintianing their hebs at DAL and MDW.
They are currently trying to avoid that like the plauge, doing so would literally give ammunition to DFW to use against themselves. WN has made a point not to expand the WN/TZ codeshare to DFW because they do not want to "confuse" the issue one bit.
I think they will maintain their current status for the time being. If ATA were to completly collapse, WN would likely pick-up certain portions of their domestic opperations only. It doesn't suit them to add x-number of 757 at this time.
Flypdx From United States, joined Apr 2005, 627 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1137 times:
No I don't see this coming..It really just doesn't make sense. Southwest is getting enough done with the codeshare, and doesn't need to buy the money troubled airline..
Airlinerfreak From United States, joined Jan 2005, 1264 posts, RR: 13 Reply 7, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1109 times:
My bets are that it will never happen. Though US and America West got away with it I do not think that TZ and WN would. Also WN would be making a big mistake by acquiring TZ!!
Aeroman62 From United States, joined Jan 2004, 154 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1049 times:
WN has acquired, and in one case, absorbed the aircraft and operations of two airlines, namely Muse Air and Morris Air. The great thing about WN is that they'll do what makes sense to make money at any juncture in time, the TZ code share is something no one could have imagined 3 years ago.
N77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1026 times:
Morris Air was basically a shell; leased everything, complementary route system, and a very small work force that was easily integrated into WN.
TZ, on the other hand, is really two airlines in one, with a rather militant union and many years in existence. On paper, it would not be a good match.
It wasn't just aircraft. Morris also was originally set up closely following the Southwest model. There were boarding cards instead of seat assignments, etc. Lots of commonality that made that merger a little easier.
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DfwRevolution From United States, joined Mar 2004, 7684 posts, RR: 55 Reply 14, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1006 times:
Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 10): I know that Morris especially was a large acquisition, but they were an all 733 fleet. TZ has no fleet commonality.
They opperate 737-800, which have full cockpit commonality with the 737NG opperated by WN. TZ will also begin opperating "classic" 737 this fall. The only lack of commonality is their 757 fleet...
Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 7): Also WN would be making a big mistake by acquiring TZ!!
For what reason?
Quoting 1millionflyer (Reply 4): WN Will NEVER acquire another airline completely...mark my words on this
N77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (3 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 996 times:
Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 14): Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 10):
I know that Morris especially was a large acquisition, but they were an all 733 fleet. TZ has no fleet commonality.
They opperate 737-800, which have full cockpit commonality with the 737NG opperated by WN. TZ will also begin opperating "classic" 737 this fall. The only lack of commonality is their 757 fleet...
Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 7):
Also WN would be making a big mistake by acquiring TZ!!
For what reason?
Quoting 1millionflyer (Reply 4):
WN Will NEVER acquire another airline completely...mark my words on this
And they will never protest the Wright Ammendment
Buying an airline merely to acquire common aircraft is a poor business reason. There has to be inherent value, as what Morris offered to WN when they bought them.
TZ, as I pointed out earlier, offers too many dissimilarities to WN for a merger. Perhaps the closest they would come would be as a separate division, as Muse Air was. The issue of merging certificates, routes, seniority lists, fleet types; a real headache.
Exactly! I think WN will have to change in the future to keep competing with other carriers. As they tend to like smaller, less used cities...this can cause a problem in the future when they run out of markets to go in. I dare say they might have to acquire smaller planes that can be used in even smaller markets....like FAT, BFL, EUG, PSP, etc. They do just fine of course with what they have, but in general you have to keep growing to remain competitive.
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