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JAL: NRT-YVR. How Is It Going?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4880 times:

They have just upgraded NRT-YVR to a B 747-400 not long ago. Is it two class or three class?

How is it going? Good? I suppose this is a popular route.

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User currently offlineGoodday From Japan, joined May 2005, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4782 times:

Its two class CY. Load is good especially in summer due to japanese tourists and also lot of passengers from HKG and PRC.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4757 times:

Quoting Goodday (Reply 1):
Its two class CY. Load is good especially in summer due to japanese tourists and also lot of passengers from HKG and PRC.

I know. I used to fly between HKG and YVR on JAL very often when I was a kid. Plenty of ex-Hong Kong people fly JAL between these two cities since the price is usually attractive.

They used to send their B 747-300s to YVR. Recently they have upgraded it to a B 747-400.

Wonder why they don't offer first class on that route. Both YVR and NRT are important business centres.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4716 times:

Does JL's NRT-YVR still continue on to MEX 1-2 times per week?

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4709 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 3):
Does JL's NRT-YVR still continue on to MEX 1-2 times per week?

Yes it does. Twice a week I guess? Can anyone confirm that?


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4669 times:

Correct, twice a week. It departs YVR Monday and Thursday 15 minutes before noon and arrives at MEX around 19:00. The plane then sleeps at MEX and flies back to YVR the next day (Tuesday and Friday) at 10:20 arriving at YVR around 13:30. It would be great if JL added a third weekly frequency.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2443 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4657 times:

It still continues to MEX twice a week:

JL12 YVR-MEX 11:45-19:05 1--4---
JL11 MEX-YVR 10:20-13:35 -2--5--

Two class airplane CY codeshare with AM (AM9311 and AM9312)


User currently offlineDYK From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4599 times:

I could never understand why JAL does not add an additional frequency to MEX. Loads are fantastic year round, yields from what I am told are good? it has been 2 flights per week for ever?


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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4442 times:

I remember I had to wait at NRT for like 3-4 hours everytime I transit through NRT on JAL.

Quoting DYK (Reply 7):
I could never understand why JAL does not add an additional frequency to MEX. Loads are fantastic year round, yields from what I am told are good? it has been 2 flights per week for ever?

I agree. And I think they should put first class on the NRT-YVR run. The B 747-300s are all gone on this route right?


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4409 times:

I believe that service to YVR is now all-744 and that they are all configured with 2 classes (of course I could be wrong). As for frequencies to MEX, I am not sure if JL had more than 2 weekly flights some years ago. It is possible that they did. I also wonder why additional frequencies are not implemented; perhaps there are other long-haul flights that are more profitable and JL prefers to exploit those markets. Another reason could be the terms of the codeshare agreement with AM for the MEX-YVR leg... apparently the terms of the agreement are extremely beneficial for AM so JL does not have an economic incentive to expand in Mexico.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2946 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4376 times:

JL only puts F-class on core business routes such as LHR, FRA, CDG, JFK, ORD, LAX, & SFO. During the 1990s JL, dramatically reduced the number of F-class seats because the ridership wasn't there and the good-ole days are over when many Japanese corporations had money to throw around.
C-class will suffice on most routes including NRT-YVR.


User currently offlineDaron4000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4360 times:

What is the C-class/Y-class only 747 configuration look like and what seats are used? Also, why does one of the ORD flights have teh new First and Business seats and the other only has a C/Y 747?

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4334 times:

GRU also gets 3-class service as it is a continuation of the JFK flight, right Carpethead?


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4311 times:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 10):
JL only puts F-class on core business routes such as LHR, FRA, CDG, JFK, ORD, LAX, & SFO.

But YVR is a business centre too. Heard that NRT-YVR is a very profitable route.

Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 11):
What is the C-class/Y-class only 747 configuration look like and what seats are used? Also, why does one of the ORD flights have teh new First and Business seats and the other only has a C/Y 747?

Do they have new business class seats? Any pics?

Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 11):
Also, why does one of the ORD flights have teh new First and Business seats and the other only has a C/Y 747?

Guess the demand is only enough to sustain 1 B 747-400 per day with first class?

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 12):
GRU also gets 3-class service as it is a continuation of the JFK flight, right Carpethead?

Yup


User currently offlineCXYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4304 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 13):
But YVR is a business centre too. Heard that NRT-YVR is a very profitable route.

But most Canadian companies won't pay for F, so the attractiveness of YVR, YYC, YYZ and YUL as business centres isn't as high as NYC, LAX, LHR, CDG and the like. Plus, Canadian cities like Vancouver don't have the same concentration of mega-rich individuals as other major cities around the world.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

Quoting CXYYZ (Reply 14):
But most Canadian companies won't pay for F, so the attractiveness of YVR, YYC, YYZ and YUL as business centres isn't as high as NYC, LAX, LHR, CDG and the like. Plus, Canadian cities like Vancouver don't have the same concentration of mega-rich individuals as other major cities around the world.

True. HKG, NRT, LHR, JFK/EWR, FRA etc are much bigger business centres.

My dad was the Chairman and CEO of MacMillan Bloedel Asia and in the past he, as well as board members were allowed to fly first class whenever they go on business trips, until the early 90s. I remember my family used to get business class tickets (not first class) to whereever we want to go each year. He retired in 1998 and started his own business. A pity MB is no more and has been taken over by Weyerhaeuser. Really miss those good old days of free travel.

YYZ has more business professionals I suppose. Afterall it is a larger business centre.


User currently offlineYUL332LX From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4147 times:

Any idea why JL does not operate to YYZ?


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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4133 times:

Quoting YUL332LX (Reply 16):
Any idea why JL does not operate to YYZ?

Good point! YYZ is the largest business centre of Canada. If they fly to YVR why not YYZ??? There is a huge population from Asia living in Toronto..... Lots of ex- Hong Kong people live there too. Wonder why JAL doesn't fly there.


User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4043 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 9):
I believe that service to YVR is now all-744 and that they are all configured with 2 classes (of course I could be wrong).

Occasionally, YVR sees the 3 class configured 747s. For instance, JA8079 that is scheduled for tommorow's flight and occasionally the world cup plane (JA8909) has come here. But they are still sold as a two class configuration. I have a flight booked on 6/21, YVR-NRT. This is sold as two class but I was able to get an F class seat. As for the shell flat, they don't come to YVR yet. I took JL17 last December on JA8088. It still wasn't one of the shell flats. In addition, JL18 that I took back on JA8917 wasn't a shell flat either.

Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 11):
What is the C-class/Y-class only 747 configuration look like and what seats are used?

Are you talking a 744 or 743/742?

The short-haul 744 from JL are 74:C and 340 in Y. I can only think of HNL routes or SYD routes flown with this

The ones that come to YVR 744 (If they are 2 class) are 55:C and 394: Y. Other routes that I have seen them one are AMS, HNL, JL3/4 to ORD, etc.

The classic 747-300 that used to fly to YVR was 67:C and 330: Y. Now they are primarily used on SE Asian routes. Routes that I have listed are NRT-HNL, GUM, SPN, BNE, HKG, MNL, BKK, PVG, ICN. And also KIX-HNL, GUM, BNE-SYD, BKK.

Of course, these are a mix with the JO 747-300's. Those are operated as C:23 and Y:460.



Flown on: DC-10-30, B747-200B, B747-300, B747-300SR, B747-400, B747-400D, B767-300, B777-200, B777-200ER, B777-300
User currently offlineDCrawley From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 371 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks ago) and read 4003 times:

Reading this post, I reminisced back on my days at QX as a ramper in SEA. Many Japanese tourists flew into YVR because it was cheaper than flying into SEA. From YVR, they would hop on a QX Dash8-Q400 and head to SEA. Unloading the plane wasn't bad, but the thought of reloading all of those bright colored, hard plastic suit cases made me cringe (note: I'm not generalizing about the kind of baggage the used, but not many other passenger bags that I loaded were like the ones I saw the Japanese bring over. They sure were sturdy bags!). They were all very heavy, as if packed with bricks. Handling them was no fun either! The worst was doing weight and balance trying to stack them when they were done with SEA and heading back to YVR.

One time, we had a full plane of just Japanese tourists with 100 bags. The plane was weight restricted and the captain said we needed 3 passengers to get off for one reason or the other, so a CSA came down and a family of 4 volunteered to take the next flight. We had to unload and find all 6 of their bags, and of course, they were the first 6 bags we loaded on the upper-shelf of the Q400. It was the worst day I ever had at work because we were short handed in our zone to begin with and all of the PDX flights were full as well!

Anyways, in the spring time it seemed that there would be excellent business on this route just from my observations!

My thoughts on this topic,

-D.K. Crawley



"Weather at our destination is 50 degrees with some broken clouds, but they'll try to have them fixed before we arrive."
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3914 times:

Hey how long does it take to get from NRT to TPE?? I know JAL flies direct between these two cities, as well as via HKG. B 747 Classics right?

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 18):
This is sold as two class but I was able to get an F class seat

Did you have to pay more?

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 18):
As for the shell flat, they don't come to YVR yet. I took JL17 last December on JA8088. It still wasn't one of the shell flats. In addition, JL18 that I took back on JA8917 wasn't a shell flat either.

Will they come eventually?

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 18):
The classic 747-300 that used to fly to YVR was 67:C and 330: Y. Now they are primarily used on SE Asian routes. Routes that I have listed are NRT-HNL, GUM, SPN, BNE, HKG, MNL, BKK, PVG, ICN. And also KIX-HNL, GUM, BNE-SYD, BKK.

Of course, these are a mix with the JO 747-300's. Those are operated as C:23 and Y:460.

Do they still fly them to HKG? I am not aware of that.


User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 20):
Did you have to pay more?

Nope. Me, just knowing the configurations of the C class that fly into YVR knew that this was a 3 class configured aircraft. This is because on two class 744, JL does not offer C class on the second floor. And since the operator asked me if I wanted a second class seat, I told her to put me in an F class seat on the first floor.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 20):
Will they come eventually?

Who knows for this one. I think JL upgraded the rest of its North American aircraft with the new shell-flats: SFO, LAX (except the flight via LAS), ORD (excluding JL3/4), JFK.

However, I think that the second daily ORD flight will get the upgrade first. Then it is whether LAS or YVR have enough business pax to justify it.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 20):
Do they still fly them to HKG? I am not aware of that

Yes, you are right actually. I checked NRT's homepage and I did not find an HKG route. Except in my almanac (2004) they had HKG listed as one of the destinations. I wonder where they are all going? They haven't retired a single 747-300. All I can think is MNL, HNL, BNE, and occasionally sometimes NRT-BNE?

Quoting United Airline (Reply 20):
Hey how long does it take to get from NRT to TPE?? I know JAL flies direct between these two cities, as well as via HKG. B 747 Classics right?

NRT-TPE is 3h 25 min as listed on the time schedules. JL does not fly them, EG (Japan Air Asia) flies these. They have 2 (I think) 747-200B and 1 747-300. I don't know as to which one is deployed on which flight.

Quoting YUL332LX (Reply 16):
Any idea why JL does not operate to YYZ

Yes....... because there is not enough pax to justify a service with a large aircraft like a 744. For instance, think about it. AC initially made this a seasonal service, downgrading to a B767 during the winters. Occasionally, they had to stop in YVR to do the flights because of load restrictions. During the summer months, they can fly an A340 because there is enough demand. A lot of Canadian routes are seasonal.

YVR-NGO
YVR-KIX (AC 39/40)
YVR-NRT (JL 15/16)

and in addition, AC1/2/3/4 is flown by a B767 during the winter. If that is enough, then does YYZ need another B744/B747 classics flying there during the winter months?

I don't see the need



Flown on: DC-10-30, B747-200B, B747-300, B747-300SR, B747-400, B747-400D, B767-300, B777-200, B777-200ER, B777-300
User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 20):
Did you have to pay more?

Nope. Me, just knowing the configurations of the C class that fly into YVR knew that this was a 3 class configured aircraft. This is because on two class 744, JL does not offer C class on the second floor. And since the operator asked me if I wanted a second class seat, I told her to put me in an F class seat on the first floor.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 20):
Will they come eventually?

Who knows for this one. I think JL upgraded the rest of its North American aircraft with the new shell-flats: SFO, LAX (except the flight via LAS), ORD (excluding JL3/4), JFK.

However, I think that the second daily ORD flight will get the upgrade first. Then it is whether LAS or YVR have enough business pax to justify it.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 20):
Do they still fly them to HKG? I am not aware of that

Yes, you are right actually. I checked NRT's homepage and I did not find an HKG route. Except in my almanac (2004) they had HKG listed as one of the destinations. I wonder where they are all going? They haven't retired a single 747-300. All I can think is MNL, HNL, BNE, and occasionally sometimes NRT-BNE?

Quoting United Airline (Reply 20):
Hey how long does it take to get from NRT to TPE?? I know JAL flies direct between these two cities, as well as via HKG. B 747 Classics right?

NRT-TPE is 3h 25 min as listed on the time schedules. JL does not fly them, EG (Japan Air Asia) flies these. They have 2 (I think) 747-200B and 1 747-300. I don't know as to which one is deployed on which flight.

Quoting YUL332LX (Reply 16):
Any idea why JL does not operate to YYZ

Yes....... because there is not enough pax to justify a service with a large aircraft like a 744. For instance, think about it. AC initially made this a seasonal service, downgrading to a B767 during the winters. Occasionally, they had to stop in YVR to do the flights because of load restrictions. During the summer months, they can fly an A340 because there is enough demand. A lot of Canadian routes are seasonal.

YVR-NGO
YVR-KIX (AC 39/40)
YVR-NRT (JL 15/16)

and in addition, AC1/2/3/4 is flown by a B767 during the winter. If that is enough, then does YYZ need another B744/B747 classics flying there during the winter months?

I don't see the need



Flown on: DC-10-30, B747-200B, B747-300, B747-300SR, B747-400, B747-400D, B767-300, B777-200, B777-200ER, B777-300
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3859 times:

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 22):
Nope. Me, just knowing the configurations of the C class that fly into YVR knew that this was a 3 class configured aircraft. This is because on two class 744, JL does not offer C class on the second floor. And since the operator asked me if I wanted a second class seat, I told her to put me in an F class seat on the first floor.

So it was a free upgrade. Cool.

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 22):
NRT-TPE is 3h 25 min as listed on the time schedules. JL does not fly them, EG (Japan Air Asia) flies these. They have 2 (I think) 747-200B and 1 747-300. I don't know as to which one is deployed on which flight.

Direct flight plus via Hong Kong right?

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 22):
because there is not enough pax to justify a service with a large aircraft like a 744.

Can't they use a smaller aircraft? Like the B 777? Or the B 787 in the future?

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 22):
Yes, you are right actually. I checked NRT's homepage and I did not find an HKG route. Except in my almanac (2004) they had HKG listed as one of the destinations. I wonder where they are all going? They haven't retired a single 747-300. All I can think is MNL, HNL, BNE, and occasionally sometimes NRT-BNE?

The B 747-300s still fly to MNL, HNL, BNE, SYD etc....... What about the 200s though?

Guess they come to HKG occasionally.


User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 23):
What about the 200s though?

I think they went to BKK for sure. JO operated it. I think JO also flies them to GUM.

Also, when the NRT-BNE was 10x weekly (Australia's high season in January/Feburary) I also saw the 747-200B listed on the schedules. Seems likea very long flight for an extremely old aircraft.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 23):
Direct flight plus via Hong Kong right?

Hmm...... this is strange. I am looking at the schedule myself and I always thought that NRT-TPE-HKG was flown. But at the point of 2004, there was a 6x weekly service KIX-TPE-HKG.

JO operates 3 747 classics.

JA8154 and 8155 with JT9D-7Q engines (747-200B)
JA8189 with JT9D-7R engines (747-300)



Flown on: DC-10-30, B747-200B, B747-300, B747-300SR, B747-400, B747-400D, B767-300, B777-200, B777-200ER, B777-300
25 United Airline : Sounds good to me coz nowadays it's really hard to get a long haul flight on a B 747 Classic. And I cherish that.... Can't wait to see JAL getting th
26 Ktachiya : Just to add... I also took a JAA aircraft from YVR-NRT as JL17 back in 1999. This was JA8128. I was extremely suprised that they flew such an old aicr
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