FlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2268 posts, RR: 11 Reply 2, posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1627 times:
Along with New Orleans, I think Indianapolis is going to become a TWA focus city. Of the 6 daily flights TWA has to IND, 3 of them are with 757 aircraft, Indianapolis is inbetween St. Louis and JFK, and Indianapolis is also the home of Chautauqua Airlines, which recently became a TWA regional partner.
DeltaRNOmd-80 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1614 times:
FLL could be a focus city for many airlines simply because it is growing very fast and getting a lot of pax. SMF could be a focus city for an airline but if TWA goes to MSY it will face competition from UAL or DL as i think they are MSY's main carriers (i dont mean their hubs)
DL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2062 posts, RR: 5 Reply 5, posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1573 times:
I think FLL will be their next focus city. Growth and passenger traffic at FLL is tremendous and the airport is about halfway finished building a new terminal. A lot of TWA jets would sure look good at that new facility.
TWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52 Reply 6, posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1570 times:
I suspect it's a good possibility, DL Widget Head. They already have flights to all three of their hubs/focus city out of there (STL, JFK, SJU) plus they have TW Connection service to the Bahamas, Key West, etc. from FLL. It seems it would be natural to further build on their Florida/Carribean traffic with a gateway in FLL. For me, it would be great if FLL was their next focus city and they offered a non-stop to MSP (although their current gate situation in MSP would prevent this - only one gate and not big enough for a 757). I think FLL is underserved by NW (only one flight a day currently and it's seasonal). Plus, I hate NW and really like TW.
Mdsmith11 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 194 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1571 times:
Sorry, UAL is not one of the larger carriers as far as passenger boardings count at New Orleans. Actually we're 5th after US Air (ways), Continental, Southwest, and Delta. Even though everything we have comes in full and leaves full, we're still fifth.
I had heard a TWA employee mention that New Orleans was going to become a focus city, but so far only the Mexico City flight was added and that is fixin to discontinue due to a nearly non-existant load factor. I think that all of their flights except one depart for STL and the remainder to JFK.
MSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6349 posts, RR: 50 Reply 10, posted (13 years 7 months 4 weeks ago) and read 1536 times:
MSY or FLL would make good choices for expansion into Central America, and if they had more long-haul equipment, South America. Using MSY as a connecting center for Central America as well as using FLL as a connecting center for the Caribbean would be a good idea, but it's doubtful that that would happen. I hope for MSY in any case........plenty of leisure travel, lots of conventions, good population base of just about a million.....a win-win scenario for TWA. Let's just hope they don't go head-to-head with Southwest.......lol.
TWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52 Reply 12, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1508 times:
I agree with you KLwright69 about MSY - I think they would use it more as a domestic focus city, but I must disagree with you about FLL. FLL is much more convenient (less congested) than MIA, and as I mentioned earlier, they already have Trans World connection service out of FLL to several Carribean locales, as well as regular service to SJU (with further connection to Aruba)
DL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2062 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1500 times:
I also disagree with you Klwright69 about TW and FLL. FLL traffic is booming, domestic as well as international. Within the next few months, Aeromexico and Air Aruba will initiate service to FLL. There are quite a few other INTL airlines serving the airport. It used to be that all INTL traffic to South Florida flowed through MIA but not any more. MIA is huge, crowded, and bursting at the seams. The population base of Greater Ft. Lauderdale is bewtween 2 and 3 million. So, there's no question that there would be plenty of O & D traffic for TW as well as connecting traffic.
TWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52 Reply 15, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1498 times:
Those choices are all within 250 miles of STL, United777ORD. Do you think TW will try to take advantage of the fact those 3 aren't major hub cities (unless you count ATA at IND and SW at MCI), or were you just joking (winking smily faces made me wonder).
VirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1494 times:
I hope that TWA can increase flights to and from JFK as well as add more destinations to Europe and the carribean and other parts of the Middle East and Asia. Maybe Austrailia can come into play. I'll look forward to the day when TWA will regain their routes of KFK-LHR and JFK-Bombay, India like they had in the early 1990s.
I still remember my 747-100 and L-1011 flights from JFK-LHR-BOM back in the early 1980s
Tom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 38 Reply 20, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1479 times:
I'm not yet privy to any rumors about MSY become a TWA focus city, I'll check with my boss (trust me, guys, he'll know) on Monday.
However........the MSY-MEX flight is going away in May. The contiuation of the JFK-MSY flight will go to SAT beginning in July.
MSY is a very tricky market to try to create Central American traffic. AeroMexico left in the recent past, TWA's is leaving, and frankly, TACA and Lacsa are not doing well on their Mexico runs. The problem began years ago when MIA, ATL and IAH had their market growth in those areas, promoted themselves in that area, and MSY stayed silent, and now we can't catch up.
As for the original question about a TWA focus city, we're out of position for a geographical hub, we're missing a parallel runway (don't mention a parallel 01/19, cause that ain't happening for at least 10 years), and we're most an origin and destination airport (8th largest O and D in US). Now that I've said that, once in a while, I hear rumors about the Caribbean, so that might be an area TWA would look at (SJU would be a possibility).
I frankly like the idea of MCI, TWA used to have a mini-hub there in the 80's, and I still think that the KC area could manage a hub.
Tom in NO (at MSY)
"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
TWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52 Reply 21, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1465 times:
Hey Tom in NO: SJU is already a TW focus city (the first) and that is why I was asking the original question. although I do apprecitate the insight of your boss into the question. As for ATA757 (a teenager), he seems to be saying he thinks IND is not too close to STL, and cites the AWA hubs of LAS and PHX as examples, although those are big O & D destinations (sorry ATA757, IND is NOT). Anyway, I'm still betting on MSY (with spokes to places like Boston, MSP, LAX, etc.) and FLL (with spokes to the same places.)
AWA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 1442 times:
OK all of you know how rumors go, but I've been hearing these two cities mumbled here at AWA about TWA....
OK, I seriously doubt TWA would survive here in PHX! All of the airlines have pretty big operations here in PHX and I think they (especeially AWA and SWA) would eat TWA alive! Just my personal opinion, but San Antonio doesn't sound too bad of a city to start a good operation... pretty big city that's growing..... There's well over a million people right in the city of San Antonio and there's a lot of business and even more tourism in the San Antonio area.
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7719 posts, RR: 17 Reply 23, posted (13 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1427 times:
Since TWA plans on having 4-5 total focus cities I see many of these as a possibility. FLL seems to be the strongest, growing population base, popular lesuire and business destination and a good base to connect to the Caribean and Central American. As for TWA regrowing out of JFK, that seems highly unlikely. They have been pulling out of JFK, now only in T5, and closed stations at Madrid, Barcelona, and Rome. TWA is dead focused on Latin America, FLL is the city. And the speculation that TWA might expand in Phoenix is unlikely. Not only do you have AWA's and SW's largest hub operation but also AA, DL, and UA all operating 30+ flights a day out of Sky Harbor. Also I don't see MCI or IND or SDF as another focus city. With St. Louis as their main hub, smack in the middle of the country, it seems that somewhere in the southeast or west would be more likely.
Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia