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New TWA Focus Cities?  
User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Posted (14 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2202 times:

Any thoughts on where TWA will put their next focus city? I've heard New Orleans and Fort Lauderdale mentioned as possibilities.


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User currently offlineATRpilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (14 years 7 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1942 times:

New Orleans is a definate!

User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2293 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (14 years 7 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1926 times:

Along with New Orleans, I think Indianapolis is going to become a TWA focus city. Of the 6 daily flights TWA has to IND, 3 of them are with 757 aircraft, Indianapolis is inbetween St. Louis and JFK, and Indianapolis is also the home of Chautauqua Airlines, which recently became a TWA regional partner.

User currently offlineDeltaRNOmd-80 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 7 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1913 times:

FLL could be a focus city for many airlines simply because it is growing very fast and getting a lot of pax. SMF could be a focus city for an airline but if TWA goes to MSY it will face competition from UAL or DL as i think they are MSY's main carriers (i dont mean their hubs)

User currently offlineAmtrakGuy From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 500 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (14 years 7 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

I think Indianpolis is too close to St. Louis......they need to be farther out than that....more closer to east coast.....

Dave


User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1872 times:

I think FLL will be their next focus city. Growth and passenger traffic at FLL is tremendous and the airport is about halfway finished building a new terminal. A lot of TWA jets would sure look good at that new facility.

User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1869 times:

I suspect it's a good possibility, DL Widget Head. They already have flights to all three of their hubs/focus city out of there (STL, JFK, SJU) plus they have TW Connection service to the Bahamas, Key West, etc. from FLL. It seems it would be natural to further build on their Florida/Carribean traffic with a gateway in FLL. For me, it would be great if FLL was their next focus city and they offered a non-stop to MSP (although their current gate situation in MSP would prevent this - only one gate and not big enough for a 757). I think FLL is underserved by NW (only one flight a day currently and it's seasonal). Plus, I hate NW and really like TW.


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User currently offlineMdsmith11 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 194 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1870 times:

Sorry, UAL is not one of the larger carriers as far as passenger boardings count at New Orleans. Actually we're 5th after US Air (ways), Continental, Southwest, and Delta. Even though everything we have comes in full and leaves full, we're still fifth.

I had heard a TWA employee mention that New Orleans was going to become a focus city, but so far only the Mexico City flight was added and that is fixin to discontinue due to a nearly non-existant load factor. I think that all of their flights except one depart for STL and the remainder to JFK.

Mark from UAL @ MSY


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1862 times:

I heard the same thing Mark, from a TW employee up here in Minneapolis.


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User currently offlineFirstClass! From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1837 times:

Being a citizen of Ft. Lauderdale, I sure hope TWA 1) get some quick capital fast, 2) use FLL as a bridgehead to LatAm because AA will make meatloaf out of TWA if they remain domestic.

I agree, TWA could use gates in the Int'l terminal as well as the ones at T2.

On a lighter note, does anyone know who's moving into the new terminal?

Take care and have a good afternoon.  


User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1835 times:

MSY or FLL would make good choices for expansion into Central America, and if they had more long-haul equipment, South America. Using MSY as a connecting center for Central America as well as using FLL as a connecting center for the Caribbean would be a good idea, but it's doubtful that that would happen. I hope for MSY in any case........plenty of leisure travel, lots of conventions, good population base of just about a million.....a win-win scenario for TWA. Let's just hope they don't go head-to-head with Southwest.......lol.

Stephen


User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2097 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1810 times:

I doubt FLL or MSY would be successful against MIA and IAH for Latin and Caribbean traffic. Not soon at least. Sorry.

User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1807 times:

I agree with you KLwright69 about MSY - I think they would use it more as a domestic focus city, but I must disagree with you about FLL. FLL is much more convenient (less congested) than MIA, and as I mentioned earlier, they already have Trans World connection service out of FLL to several Carribean locales, as well as regular service to SJU (with further connection to Aruba)


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User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1799 times:

I also disagree with you Klwright69 about TW and FLL. FLL traffic is booming, domestic as well as international. Within the next few months, Aeromexico and Air Aruba will initiate service to FLL. There are quite a few other INTL airlines serving the airport. It used to be that all INTL traffic to South Florida flowed through MIA but not any more. MIA is huge, crowded, and bursting at the seams. The population base of Greater Ft. Lauderdale is bewtween 2 and 3 million. So, there's no question that there would be plenty of O & D traffic for TW as well as connecting traffic.

User currently offlineUnited777ORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

The new TWA focus city will be either IND, SDF, or MCI.
   


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1797 times:

Those choices are all within 250 miles of STL, United777ORD. Do you think TW will try to take advantage of the fact those 3 aren't major hub cities (unless you count ATA at IND and SW at MCI), or were you just joking (winking smily faces made me wonder).


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User currently offlineUnited777ORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1795 times:

Either IND, MCI, or SDF will be a focus city for TWA.
Not joking!!
Just because these cities are 250 miles from St. Louis doesn't mean they cannot be focus cities.
   
-United777ORD-


User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

United777ORD, can you explain why you feel TW will make IND, SDF, or MCI a focus city. I think TWFirst nailed it, those cities are too close to STL.

User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1793 times:

I hope that TWA can increase flights to and from JFK as well as add more destinations to Europe and the carribean and other parts of the Middle East and Asia. Maybe Austrailia can come into play. I'll look forward to the day when TWA will regain their routes of KFK-LHR and JFK-Bombay, India like they had in the early 1990s.
I still remember my 747-100 and L-1011 flights from JFK-LHR-BOM back in the early 1980s



"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineATA757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

(True or False)

1) Delta is making big-bucks from their CVG and ATL hubs!!!

2) TWA has potential in IND because they will have a new airport in 5 years.

3) TWA is not too close to STL.

4) TWA would be welcomed to IND.

'A L L' 'A N S W E R S' 'A R E' " T R U E "  

Extra Credit) America West is doing good out of their PHX and LAS hubs. (TRUE)  


How can you totally put IND out of the picture??? I see DL and AWA doing good in their 'close-together' hubs!!!





What do you think???  







ATA757  


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 20, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

I'm not yet privy to any rumors about MSY become a TWA focus city, I'll check with my boss (trust me, guys, he'll know) on Monday.

However........the MSY-MEX flight is going away in May. The contiuation of the JFK-MSY flight will go to SAT beginning in July.

MSY is a very tricky market to try to create Central American traffic. AeroMexico left in the recent past, TWA's is leaving, and frankly, TACA and Lacsa are not doing well on their Mexico runs. The problem began years ago when MIA, ATL and IAH had their market growth in those areas, promoted themselves in that area, and MSY stayed silent, and now we can't catch up.

As for the original question about a TWA focus city, we're out of position for a geographical hub, we're missing a parallel runway (don't mention a parallel 01/19, cause that ain't happening for at least 10 years), and we're most an origin and destination airport (8th largest O and D in US). Now that I've said that, once in a while, I hear rumors about the Caribbean, so that might be an area TWA would look at (SJU would be a possibility).

I frankly like the idea of MCI, TWA used to have a mini-hub there in the 80's, and I still think that the KC area could manage a hub.

Tom in NO (at MSY)



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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1764 times:

Hey Tom in NO: SJU is already a TW focus city (the first) and that is why I was asking the original question. although I do apprecitate the insight of your boss into the question. As for ATA757 (a teenager), he seems to be saying he thinks IND is not too close to STL, and cites the AWA hubs of LAS and PHX as examples, although those are big O & D destinations (sorry ATA757, IND is NOT). Anyway, I'm still betting on MSY (with spokes to places like Boston, MSP, LAX, etc.) and FLL (with spokes to the same places.)


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User currently offlineAWA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1741 times:

OK all of you know how rumors go, but I've been hearing these two cities mumbled here at AWA about TWA....

San Antonio
Phoenix

OK, I seriously doubt TWA would survive here in PHX! All of the airlines have pretty big operations here in PHX and I think they (especeially AWA and SWA) would eat TWA alive! Just my personal opinion, but San Antonio doesn't sound too bad of a city to start a good operation... pretty big city that's growing..... There's well over a million people right in the city of San Antonio and there's a lot of business and even more tourism in the San Antonio area.
Any insight?


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7811 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1726 times:

Since TWA plans on having 4-5 total focus cities I see many of these as a possibility. FLL seems to be the strongest, growing population base, popular lesuire and business destination and a good base to connect to the Caribean and Central American. As for TWA regrowing out of JFK, that seems highly unlikely. They have been pulling out of JFK, now only in T5, and closed stations at Madrid, Barcelona, and Rome. TWA is dead focused on Latin America, FLL is the city. And the speculation that TWA might expand in Phoenix is unlikely. Not only do you have AWA's and SW's largest hub operation but also AA, DL, and UA all operating 30+ flights a day out of Sky Harbor. Also I don't see MCI or IND or SDF as another focus city. With St. Louis as their main hub, smack in the middle of the country, it seems that somewhere in the southeast or west would be more likely.


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User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1720 times:

DesertJets, I agree with everything you wrote. Very well thought out and logical.

25 MSYtristar : Well, if MSY will be picked(50/50 chance I'd say), TWA should use the city's position to its advantage. Flights could come in from the west(Texas, Cal
26 Post contains images Tom in NO : I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see MSY become a focus city for TWA, I would be more interested in seeing an east-west focus as described above (LAX
27 MSYtristar : I think we have somethng here with an East-West route system through MSY. If TWA doesn't do it, I just may one day.....:0) Tom I have a few more quest
28 TWAneedsHELP : I personally don't know what all the focus is about "focus citys". I haven't seen the numbers, but I know that TWA at SJU is anything but a homerun. H
29 DesertJets : I think TWAneedsHelp misses the point of the focus city concept. TWA is not attempting to do any hub building with these cities.TWA wants to increase
30 N757TW : I think it should be Dallas/Fort Worth (KDFW). They fly at least 8 flights a day to DFW. The first 717 is flying into DFW, and I think a 757 every now
31 Post contains images DeltaRNOmd-80 : uhh, N757TW, i think you dont know what you are talking about. DFW is a hub for AA and DL, TWA would have to be insane to have that as their focus cit
32 TWFirst : Response to "TWAneedsHELP" comments: "...As for TWFirst, if your out there, I don't know what you mean "making trouble", this isnt like a shareholders
33 Chrisnh : How can an airline with relatively few aircraft and routes have anything near a 'focus city?' Seems kind of humorous in context to AA and their focus
34 Post contains images Chieftain : What a joke your post was! Let's try the truth now shall we? ----------------------------- >>>I personally don't know what all the focus is about "foc
35 TWFirst : CHIEFTAIN: YOU'RE MY HERO!!!! I savored every word of your last posting. Great job... Agreed with every single word. Anyway, I think we both have a li
36 DL Widget Head : Way to go Chieftan. I believe TWA's on the verge of a mega come back. Keep up the positive attitude!
37 AA-SAN : Although I am in no way agreeing with what TWAneedsHELP had to say (he did get a little worked up to say the least) let's not play the "well he's a ki
38 TWAneedsHELP : You guys are very funny. Yes, I am a teenager, but thank you AA-SAN, that shouldn't preclude me from anything. Also if you are discounting my observat
39 Post contains images Chieftain : No hard feelings then
40 AA-SAN : Trust me... being worked up isn't a bad thing. It's half the fun at this post. And you wouldn't have responded to everyone's criticism if you weren't
41 B777UA : I have an E mail letter stating that TWA is Going to be Starting Service in Melborne Florida starting in the fall does anyone have any other info on t
42 DFW-JETS : There is a excellent article about TWA being courted by the Melbourne,Fl airport authority. They were offering many incentives that were hard to pass-
43 CVG777 : Since when did TWA connection begin flights to Key West? I live down here and haven't once seen an aircraft in TWA colors fly overhead. The only airli
44 Post contains images TWFirst : OK, OK TWAneedsHELP, we'll be nice. And of course, you ARE entitled to your opinions, but maybe you should consider the tone and phrasing of your post
45 TWFirst : CVG777: TWA code shares with Gulfstream as well. Offered as "Trans World Connection" service. They just started in April.
46 Laserjet : What is a focus city? Is it like a hub?
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