Victor From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 90 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5484 times:
i heard from my bro (he is CX LHR base crew).
he just receive an email from cx that the 4th LHR flight will be lunched later this year.
"Some great news to share with all of you. We will be launching our 4th flight to HKG this winter - cx256/7. We've also managed to improve the timings of cx252 and although it is not exactly aligned, it will all depart late morning/mid day in the winter"
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10637 posts, RR: 62 Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5404 times:
The capacity of the HKG-LHR market to continually sustain more and more seats, and still maintain relatively high loads and yields for the airlines flying it (now BA, CX, VS and QF) never ceases to amaze me!
CXoneWorld From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5272 times:
Great news indeed. I can't exactly tell how excited folks at Cathay are about the 4x daily London flight. It would be quite fair to say Heathrow is the foremost destination CX would ever order and fly some giant A380s. However, as far as what we see, the airline is just more into topping up frequencies instead
Guess it's so much for the popular myth of "A380 for Heathrow"...
MANmatt From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 969 posts, RR: 6 Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5223 times:
"What about Manchester?"
Well this is like the never-ending story. First it was going via Moscow twice a week, then the russians were asking for too much for pax rights so they were considering running it direct. Now that aint happening, apparently its now on hold until December and looking at sending it via FRA, this is according to a colleague of mine whos partner works for CX cargo at MAN and is trying to sort it all out!
They could do with a bigger aircraft on CX138 but CX139 loads are relatively open - 3 daily is what CX wants and has got - they're operated with either 333's or 343's with a seasonal 744 in the Southern Hemisphere summer being an occasional visitor.
B-HOP From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2000, 583 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4149 times:
Overnight flight have much higher yield, beside, rumours is that one of the flight would flying onto another port (Stockholm/Manchetser etc) from Frankfurt. If not, then at least, they use the downtown to carry out much needed maintance.
EK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4129 times:
How come CX is only starting it's 4th daily to LHR now when EK is about to start their 5th daily? I would have thought that CX would have more daily flights to LHR that EK would?
Or is it cause BA has 3 daily to HK? Then again BA has 2 daily to DXB but VS does not fly to DXB. But Royal Brunei flies direct to LHR from Dubai as well....
Are you telling me that the loads from DXB to LHR are higher than the loads from HK to LHR??? Cause if this is the case, then this will make DXB hub as important as the HK hub in contrary to what was previously said that DXB hub is no where close to HK hub...
I am just saying my opinion... please comment and correct me where I am wrong!
what I do not understand is the schedule. the 2nd flight is also (as the 1st one) leaving HKG at midnight and arr. at around 6:00 a.m. at FRA, but leaving FRA only at 20:00.
wouldn`t it make more sense to have a 12:00 o´clock HKG departure and 18:00 o´clock arrival at FRA?
much better for some connections from HKG and PAX would have a real choice to meet their travel plan
or have the overnight flights so much higher yield`s ???
I also don't understand this decision. A 14-hour ground time in FRA seems a loss of valuable utilization, but someone here mentioned in an earlier thread that the FRA groundtime would be used for some maintenance. I would assume then, that LH would be carrying out this maintenance, which still doesn't make sense to me, because they could easily keep the aircraft in HKG for 12 hours longer and have the maintenance done by their own staff.
As for the perceived need for an overnight HKG-FRA flight, both LH (to FRA) and KL (to AMS) seem to be doing quite well with their daylight westbound patterns, so why would CX be unable to make it work on this, a seasonal addition. After all, CX's regular FRA-flight is still operating according to a double-overnight pattern.
United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9036 posts, RR: 16 Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3997 times:
Quoting EK156 (Reply 20): Are you telling me that the loads from DXB to LHR are higher than the loads from HK to LHR??? Cause if this is the case, then this will make DXB hub as important as the HK hub in contrary to what was previously said that DXB hub is no where close to HK hub...
Last year we handled around 38-40 million passengers. DXB was no where close to that number. We are a hub not only for LHR but USA, Australia, China, Taiwan and other parts of Asia...
On the HKG-LHR run, we currently have:
1) CX: 3 times daily
2) BA: 3 times daily
3) VS: Single daily
4) QF: 3 times weekly (to be increased to 4 times weekly by November 2005).
Eventually we have the potentials to see:
1) CX: 4 times daily
2) BA: 3 times daily
3) VS: double daily
4) QF: single to double daily
5) NZ: single daily
6) BMI: single daily (They are planning to start service)
7) Oasis: single daily
8) Dragonair: single daily
And lots of people from Hong Kong go through SIN and other places to go to LHR.
EK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3964 times:
Quoting United Airline (Reply 22): Last year we handled around 38-40 million passengers. DXB was no where close to that number. We are a hub not only for LHR but USA, Australia, China, Taiwan and other parts of Asia...
I am not talking about total loads. Dubai handled 22 million passengers. I am talking about loads to LHR. If you want to compare the amount of flights from DXB to LHR to the ones from HK to LHR then they are quite close.
So this makes DXB an important hub... I am not saying it is better othan HK or handles more passengers in total. It is also as important. VS will start flying to Dubai as of the 1st of April and they wish to have 2-3 daily to DXB within 2 years! DXB expexts to handle upto 60 million passengers by 2010. This makes it as important.
Will they be allowed to fly International. I thought they were only used for regional flights? I think Dragonair are an amazing airline!!! I fly them last year. If they fly International then they will Kick Ass bigtime!!! But they are owned by CX so I don't think CX will use them outside of China!
6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3290 posts, RR: 21 Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3960 times:
so does anyone know what the timing of the 4th daily CX service will be.??
i think there are two obvious options... a morning dep ex HKG, or a late afternoon.. although this would be a little tight due to curfew.
this makes sense as it would connect with the overnight from SYD, and possible overnight from MEL in the future.
The other option is for another mid-afternoon,
although there are curfew implications with this option. connectivity from SYD, MEL and North Asia would be great.
LHR-HKG another midday to 1800 departure would be excellent for amorning arrival into HKG, allowing onward connections. again, this would feed into the morning dep to SYD, and possibly a new morning services HKG-MEL.
25 United Airline: The majority shareholder of Dragonair is CITIC, not Cathay Pacific, though CX is planning on a 100% takeover of Dragonair. Yes they have applied for
26 AF022: EK's hub strength at DXB is based a lot on its connectivity between the UK and India. With the new bilaterals and lots more capacity coming online, E
27 Jakob77: CX would rather have multiple dailies departing at different times utilizing smaller aircrafts rather than 1 big whale jet doing 1x daily. More fligh
28 Commavia: Are CX and Dragonair going to merge? If the answer's yes, then all I have to say is: about darn time! I think CX and KA are a perfect match and this
29 CXoneWorld: Nice and simple strategy, but it has just served the airline well. If I am not mistaken, CX has even made it explicit as a goal to operate at least t
30 LH600: So did they cancel plans for the new Tehran route??
31 United Airline: 3 B 747-400s/ B 747 Advanced(s) and 1 A 340-300 per day berween HKG and LHR would make sense. Yes CX is interested in buying KA 100%. CX will continue