Victor From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 90 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4662 times:
i heard from my bro (he is CX LHR base crew).
he just receive an email from cx that the 4th LHR flight will be lunched later this year.
"Some great news to share with all of you. We will be launching our 4th flight to HKG this winter - cx256/7. We've also managed to improve the timings of cx252 and although it is not exactly aligned, it will all depart late morning/mid day in the winter"
Chris7217 From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2002, 158 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4645 times:
Victor,
Seems that CX is not only increasing their services to London - Frankfurt as well.
Between July 2nd to August 31st, 2005 CX will have 4 additional flights to Frankfurt. It'll be CX283 (Airbus A343) from Hong Kong and CX282 to Hong Kong.
Maybe this flight will even be established beyond this particular time ..?
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10189 posts, RR: 62 Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4582 times:
The capacity of the HKG-LHR market to continually sustain more and more seats, and still maintain relatively high loads and yields for the airlines flying it (now BA, CX, VS and QF) never ceases to amaze me!
Avek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4092 posts, RR: 18 Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4511 times:
Quoting MNeo (Reply 4): Does this mean a JFK-LHR route as well. Beacuse it was rumored thatthe 4th HKG-LHR route would continioue to JFK
Doubtful - this would require yet another pair of slots in addition to the ones required to operate the 4th daily HKG-LHR.
CXoneWorld From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4450 times:
Great news indeed. I can't exactly tell how excited folks at Cathay are about the 4x daily London flight. It would be quite fair to say Heathrow is the foremost destination CX would ever order and fly some giant A380s. However, as far as what we see, the airline is just more into topping up frequencies instead
Guess it's so much for the popular myth of "A380 for Heathrow"...
MANmatt From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 969 posts, RR: 6 Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4401 times:
"What about Manchester?"
Well this is like the never-ending story. First it was going via Moscow twice a week, then the russians were asking for too much for pax rights so they were considering running it direct. Now that aint happening, apparently its now on hold until December and looking at sending it via FRA, this is according to a colleague of mine whos partner works for CX cargo at MAN and is trying to sort it all out!
Avek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4092 posts, RR: 18 Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4349 times:
Quoting CXoneWorld (Reply 6): Guess it's so much for the popular myth of "A380 for Heathrow"...
CX has virtually no compelling need for an A380 - HKG has lots of room for expansion, and the airline's business strategy of competing based on frequencies has proven very successful.
ZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5020 posts, RR: 12 Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4161 times:
Great for CX!
The A380 would be used first on LAX-HKG if they ordered it, partly why they haven't ordered the A380 yet is because they want to make sure it can fly LAX-HKG year round with no restrictions!
CXoneWorld From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3810 times:
Quoting Flight85 (Reply 12): will they put another 744 or another a343 on this one? what times will it depart/arrive at egll?. Or maybe it havent been decided yet?.
The typical Cathay would opt to operate a smaller A343 on whatever new service it has, as in its recent FRA, LAX expansion. I can comfortably bet on that.
They could do with a bigger aircraft on CX138 but CX139 loads are relatively open - 3 daily is what CX wants and has got - they're operated with either 333's or 343's with a seasonal 744 in the Southern Hemisphere summer being an occasional visitor.
United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 8792 posts, RR: 17 Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3595 times:
Not bad at all.
I remember they used to fly daily B 747-400 between HKG and SYD. Not anymore....
Quoting CXoneWorld (Reply 14): The typical Cathay would opt to operate a smaller A343 on whatever new service it has, as in its recent FRA, LAX expansion. I can comfortably bet on that.
Heard that they plan to go triple daily B 747-400 between HKG and LHR before they add another A 340-300 flight
Twa@FRA From Germany, joined Nov 2000, 131 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3570 times:
re. the new flight to FRA.
what I do not understand is the schedule. the 2nd flight is also (as the 1st one) leaving HKG at midnight and arr. at around 6:00 a.m. at FRA, but leaving FRA only at 20:00.
wouldn`t it make more sense to have a 12:00 o´clock HKG departure and 18:00 o´clock arrival at FRA?
much better for some connections from HKG and PAX would have a real choice to meet their travel plan
or have the overnight flights so much higher yield`s ???
B-HOP From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2000, 559 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3327 times:
Overnight flight have much higher yield, beside, rumours is that one of the flight would flying onto another port (Stockholm/Manchetser etc) from Frankfurt. If not, then at least, they use the downtown to carry out much needed maintance.
EK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 3 Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3307 times:
How come CX is only starting it's 4th daily to LHR now when EK is about to start their 5th daily? I would have thought that CX would have more daily flights to LHR that EK would?
Or is it cause BA has 3 daily to HK? Then again BA has 2 daily to DXB but VS does not fly to DXB. But Royal Brunei flies direct to LHR from Dubai as well....
Are you telling me that the loads from DXB to LHR are higher than the loads from HK to LHR??? Cause if this is the case, then this will make DXB hub as important as the HK hub in contrary to what was previously said that DXB hub is no where close to HK hub...
I am just saying my opinion... please comment and correct me where I am wrong!
what I do not understand is the schedule. the 2nd flight is also (as the 1st one) leaving HKG at midnight and arr. at around 6:00 a.m. at FRA, but leaving FRA only at 20:00.
wouldn`t it make more sense to have a 12:00 o´clock HKG departure and 18:00 o´clock arrival at FRA?
much better for some connections from HKG and PAX would have a real choice to meet their travel plan
or have the overnight flights so much higher yield`s ???
I also don't understand this decision. A 14-hour ground time in FRA seems a loss of valuable utilization, but someone here mentioned in an earlier thread that the FRA groundtime would be used for some maintenance. I would assume then, that LH would be carrying out this maintenance, which still doesn't make sense to me, because they could easily keep the aircraft in HKG for 12 hours longer and have the maintenance done by their own staff.
As for the perceived need for an overnight HKG-FRA flight, both LH (to FRA) and KL (to AMS) seem to be doing quite well with their daylight westbound patterns, so why would CX be unable to make it work on this, a seasonal addition. After all, CX's regular FRA-flight is still operating according to a double-overnight pattern.
United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 8792 posts, RR: 17 Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3175 times:
Quoting EK156 (Reply 20): Are you telling me that the loads from DXB to LHR are higher than the loads from HK to LHR??? Cause if this is the case, then this will make DXB hub as important as the HK hub in contrary to what was previously said that DXB hub is no where close to HK hub...
Last year we handled around 38-40 million passengers. DXB was no where close to that number. We are a hub not only for LHR but USA, Australia, China, Taiwan and other parts of Asia...
On the HKG-LHR run, we currently have:
1) CX: 3 times daily
2) BA: 3 times daily
3) VS: Single daily
4) QF: 3 times weekly (to be increased to 4 times weekly by November 2005).
Eventually we have the potentials to see:
1) CX: 4 times daily
2) BA: 3 times daily
3) VS: double daily
4) QF: single to double daily
5) NZ: single daily
6) BMI: single daily (They are planning to start service)
7) Oasis: single daily
8) Dragonair: single daily
And lots of people from Hong Kong go through SIN and other places to go to LHR.
EK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 3 Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3142 times:
Quoting United Airline (Reply 22): Last year we handled around 38-40 million passengers. DXB was no where close to that number. We are a hub not only for LHR but USA, Australia, China, Taiwan and other parts of Asia...
I am not talking about total loads. Dubai handled 22 million passengers. I am talking about loads to LHR. If you want to compare the amount of flights from DXB to LHR to the ones from HK to LHR then they are quite close.
So this makes DXB an important hub... I am not saying it is better othan HK or handles more passengers in total. It is also as important. VS will start flying to Dubai as of the 1st of April and they wish to have 2-3 daily to DXB within 2 years! DXB expexts to handle upto 60 million passengers by 2010. This makes it as important.
Will they be allowed to fly International. I thought they were only used for regional flights? I think Dragonair are an amazing airline!!! I fly them last year. If they fly International then they will Kick Ass bigtime!!! But they are owned by CX so I don't think CX will use them outside of China!
6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3266 posts, RR: 22 Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3138 times:
so does anyone know what the timing of the 4th daily CX service will be.??
i think there are two obvious options... a morning dep ex HKG, or a late afternoon.. although this would be a little tight due to curfew.
HKG 0900
LHR 1500
this makes sense as it would connect with the overnight from SYD, and possible overnight from MEL in the future.
The other option is for another mid-afternoon,
HKG 1600
LHR 2200
although there are curfew implications with this option. connectivity from SYD, MEL and North Asia would be great.
LHR-HKG another midday to 1800 departure would be excellent for amorning arrival into HKG, allowing onward connections. again, this would feed into the morning dep to SYD, and possibly a new morning services HKG-MEL.
25 United Airline: The majority shareholder of Dragonair is CITIC, not Cathay Pacific, though CX is planning on a 100% takeover of Dragonair. Yes they have applied for
26 AF022: EK's hub strength at DXB is based a lot on its connectivity between the UK and India. With the new bilaterals and lots more capacity coming online, E
27 Jakob77: CX would rather have multiple dailies departing at different times utilizing smaller aircrafts rather than 1 big whale jet doing 1x daily. More fligh
28 Commavia: Are CX and Dragonair going to merge? If the answer's yes, then all I have to say is: about darn time! I think CX and KA are a perfect match and this
29 CXoneWorld: Nice and simple strategy, but it has just served the airline well. If I am not mistaken, CX has even made it explicit as a goal to operate at least t
30 LH600: So did they cancel plans for the new Tehran route??
31 United Airline: 3 B 747-400s/ B 747 Advanced(s) and 1 A 340-300 per day berween HKG and LHR would make sense. Yes CX is interested in buying KA 100%. CX will continue
33 United Airline: Get the B 747 Advanced then!!! GO CX!
34 Lutfi: Note that the latest RFP from CX is for A346 and B773ER only. Looks like they agree that A380/B747ADV aren't needed (yet?)
35 CX flyboy: You can't submit an RFP for an aircraft that is not on offer. This is the reason why there is no mention of the 747Adv. Talks are still on-going about
36 6thfreedom: KA flying to SYD is nothing short of suicidal. I know that they have a good China network, but given that capacity on the sector has almost doubled i
37 United Airline: You are right. You can't submit an RFP for something which is not on offer. CX is VERY INTERESTED in the B 747 Advanced though. True. They have the r
38 Jakob77: the 330s delivered this year to KA have PTVs in all classes, even in EY. Under current HK-Australia bilaterals, KA can serve 3PW if i'm not mistaken
39 6thfreedom: offer low prices?? how much lower can they go?? VS was offering A$400 per person return last week ex-SYD, and most times you can fly for around under
40 Jakob77: VS has been offering a 2-for-1 special in HK for the past week for HK$4990 (approx US$600 / 500 Euros) for 2 to SYD in June (+ HK$500 only for summer
41 United Airline: Oh really? I checked it on KA's website but there is no news regarding PTVs on economy. I know they have it in First.... And I know they have big scr
42 CXoneWorld: Yes right, CX operate 52 flights per week Down Under currently, leaving KA with a maximum right of 3 weekly. But then the Australian/Hong Kong bilate
43 United Airline: Press Release 15 April 2004 - DRAGONAIR WELCOMES HONG KONG-AUSTRALIA AIR SERVICES AGREEMENT - Targets Second Half of 2005 For Launch of Services To Sy
44 Jakob77: The PR is from April last year. Market conditions have changed greatly since then especially with the addition of VS on the route and the deeply-disco
45 United Airline: Well according to my travel agent they are coming at the end of this year. So we better wait and see... VS is doing badly because LHR-HKG/HKG-LHR are
46 CXoneWorld: Well regarding KA's Sydney ambition, according to my sources close to the company the plan has already been put on hold, citing current "unfavourable"
47 United Airline: Go to: http://www.cathaypacific.com/intl/ab.../press/0,3845,31342-116968,00.html They have denied the rumour 100% and Swire assured that they will co
48 CXoneWorld: No worries. Having been following the news and other related development myself I am well aware of the media refutal. Still, my point is the joint st
49 United Airline: CX has taken a 10% stake in Air China. I suppose CA might take up to 10% share of CX. But Swire will definitely continue to be the major shareholder
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