Jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7366 posts, RR: 51 Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4799 times:
What about it? It's on Monster.com as well. This most likely a scare tactic that they're going to use to frighten us. Northwest is going behind the backs of the flight attendants anticipating that the FA's will stage a sickout, in the event of a mechanics strike or a flight attendant walk-out, which most likely won't happen. What's worse, is that our union has yet to respond to this. There's not even a mention on our union webpage.
Indy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4486 posts, RR: 19 Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4740 times:
Is it possible they are making plans in the event of a strike by workers of another airline? Perhaps they are expecting a flood of passengers. Wasn't it United that was looking at a possible strike? Or did that all get resolved?
Hammer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 687 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 4685 times:
Job Search.com has alot of NWA F/A openings, but all in case of a work stoppage....as far as the cleaning side of NWA, the mediator has until the 8th to make his ruling on weather or not it is an impass on the contract with the cleaners and mechanics.
DCAflyboy From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 143 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4383 times:
Quoting M404 (Reply 7): story was that they would also "help" clean the planes since NWA will be all but dropping cleaners.
A little bit off the topic but the flight attendants at US are now required to "tidy" the aircraft after each leg (with exceptions: RON, trans-con, int. legs). The cleaners were all fired durig the second bankruptcy. All I can say is that the aircraft cabins have never looked better!! And it gets done faster. Even the most frequent flyers are taking notice and writing in to the company.
In addition, contract cleaners now hired to clean the aircraft at night do a much better job. Pillow cases are changed, carpet vaccumed, blankets folded, lavs and tray tables cleaned. Senior US cleaners (yes, senior cleaners) made upwards of 60K a year. Too bad our planes usually looked like crap. I guess they got what they deserved.
StevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4260 times:
Quoting Indy (Reply 6): Is it possible they are making plans in the event of a strike by workers of another airline? Perhaps they are expecting a flood of passengers. Wasn't it United that was looking at a possible strike? Or did that all get resolved?
Could very well be, Indy. However, all that needs to happen now at UA is that the pension numbers are signed off by the actuaries of UA and the IAM, and then they'll officially have a tentative agreement for the membership to vote on. If that doesn't happen (extremely unlikely at this stage) then it's back to square 1. However, they have until the 17th of June to agree on the numbers and tell the judge the t/a is official. Then once it is, the rank and file votes and will most likely approve it.
Jetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2985 posts, RR: 8 Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4159 times:
Quoting Hammer (Reply 8): Job Search.com has alot of NWA F/A openings, but all in case of a work stoppage....
NWA has a long and proven history of playing hardball with the unions.
NWA was a legacy carrier that never paid legacy wages. I think they pay well right now, partly because there haven't been any pay reductions.
There are many very senior NWA flight attendants. I wonder if they would be so quick to mess with their jobs like that. A sympathy strike, even though protected by federal law, is a tricky thing. Being close to retirement, they may not want a hassle like this.
Delta is full of very senior flight attendants as well. People are taking retirement in increasing numbers. Our career paths have pretty much disappeared.
Doesn't surprise me one bit to hear of NWA management doing this.
Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
Cyberual From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 172 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4131 times:
I also think this is a scare tactic for NWA. Think about it, do you think they would train hundreds of Certified F/A wasting all that time and money. Btw, putting an ad in major US papers is not cheap either. Wonder what's going on at NWA???
Rhino4ever From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 146 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4028 times:
FYI. The remaing 691 or so F/A's on furlough are being recalled on 31 July for the August flying month. Although I think these ads are part of the scare tactics and possible pool of potential hires under a number of scenarios.
Braniff727 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 686 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3997 times:
Quoting Rhino4ever (Reply 15): Although I think these ads are part of the scare tactics and possible pool of potential hires under a number of scenarios.
I agree with you. First and foremost, this is to scare the Flight Attendant's into not striking. This is really going to be a make or break contract for the PFAA. This is their first negotiations, and frankly there is a lot of dissent within the union.
The FA's widely know there is no strike fund, and based on what has been happening at other airlines, they know for the most part that a strike would kill the airline. Further, with NW hiring flight attendants for a work stoppage, they get the signal that if they strike, they're on their own. They are all aware of how many former FA's are out there that would kill to get back to a major.
I do think that this serves a dual purpose too. As has been stated, there are many senior flight attendants retiring, which NW is going to have to replace. By training these folks once, they will be all set, minus some refresher training if they don't ever fly.
1rocco From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 119 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3914 times:
Could not have said it better myself. First off they will be no strike and you pointed out all the reasons. I believe strongly that there are hundreds of senior f/a's putting in there retirement paperwork as we speak. They are going to want to get out while under the IBT contract. So these so called SCAB replacement f/a's will probably be hired to replace retiring f/a's. NWA isn't stupid and want to be ready when all this happens. The small print on the bottom of these ads is a scare tactic and guess what it's going to work. So I say apply.. You could be flying for a major sooner than you think even without a labor dispute.
DCAflyboy From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 143 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3892 times:
Can somebody tell me how hard it is to fly international on NW as a FA? How about wide-body flying? I have been flying with US as a FA for seven years and am tired of flying single aisle domestic. I was never senior enough to fly international or wide-body domestic on US.
I have family in Wisconsin. I'm thinking I may apply. I would love to be able to get home easier on NW. Also, it would be so much easier for my mother to fly NW and take advantage of her benefits.
"The job description, placed by recruitment firm Spherion Corp., says people "who successfully complete the Flight Attendant training may be offered employment in the event of a labor dispute or strike.""
1rocco From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 119 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3816 times:
Believe me you will do a lot of single aisle flying but you also will do your share of international. On reserve it is hit or miss. I just talked to a friend who is very junior on reserve and he has had 1 international trip in the last 3-4 months. If you have family in Wisconsin NWA is by far the best airline to work for as far as pass travel privledges. Hope this helps.
NWADTWFA From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 162 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3762 times:
First and foremost, THIS IS A SCARE TACTIC. Secondly, I AM NOT SCARED.
We are so far away from even being ready to strike it's not even funny. NWA filed with the NMB for AMFA to be released after 24 days of negotiations, and they never, I say never even talked about financials.
PFAA has been negotiating in mediation for 14 days, today starting the 15th. We have only exchanged proposals. NWA continues to drag their feet in the negotiations process but they have chosen to play this out differently in the media. They have yet to provide information that they are required by law to give to PFAA. They have shown NO integrity throughout the short process of meeting with the employee groups.
If and this is a big IF, there is a strike, it will not be your typical strike. We will likely use CHOAS. NWA might keep this company running with a few hired mechanics, but they will not keep all the planes in the air with a few scab FA’s and some flying managers. Maybe they will realize what we actually do to keep our customers and planes moving through out our system.
NWA has hired some of the sharpest executives out there to try and break our unions. I hope they are aware that we are well calloused and tired of their piggish money grubbing, taken directly out of the hide of the hard working employees who keep this company going.
NWADTWFA From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 162 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3526 times:
It is a tough deciscion to make. Leaving one carrier for another. NWA is not in the financial disaster that they would like to make everyone believe they are in.
As a reserve flight attendant you can fly anything and everything...many reserves get stuck doing many day trips while other get the 8 or 9 day south trips (DTW-NRT-and with in Asia and back to NRT-DTW). I am in my 9th year. I fly mostly A320(319) and 757 supplemented with 2 to 3 AMS trips per month.
NWA flight attendants are not new to these threats from our company. We had the 3 week wonders of 88 (also called strike babies) that never crossed a picket line and have been flying almost 17 years. You can just never tell what is going to happen...who know maybe NWA really needs FA's and this is a good time to try and scare the rest.
25 Pilottim747: Thats not a rumor, its going into effect on July 1st. A $50 annual fee per person for non-rev travel by non-employees (ie spouses, children, etc). pi
26 DCAflyboy: Can someone tell me where most new hire FAs become based at NW and what are the bases (besides MEM, DTW and MSP)? I think NW closed their CHI base and
27 A330323X: You must be flying a different airline than the rest of us. (And no, I'm not blaming the flight attendants.) Utility used to max out at $17.67 an hou
28 Cdgdtw: Historic threats are what they are . . . Union vs. Company in typical contract showdowns. The threats of late carry with them the backing of our curre
29 NWADTWFA: DCAflyboy, To answer your questions...We have 9 bases they are DTW: AMS(5), LGW, CDG, FCO, FRA, NRT(2), KIX, NGO MSP: NRT(2), LGW, AMS(4) MEM: AMS LAX
30 NWADTWFA: Oh...most new hires are either placed in DTW or MSP! Cheers, NWADTWFA
31 TR1: DCAflyboy, In the last round of F/A hiring before 9/11 most new hires were sent to either DTW or MSP. BOS and NYC are considered relatively junior bas
32 F9HNLPLZ: So when are these strikes suppose to be happening?