Ben88 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1093 posts, RR: 3 Posted (13 years 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 930 times:
My question is pretty simple. Why is it that so few (if any) American carriers fly into ORY? Last summer I flew AA 139 from LAX to ORY, but it appears as though AA has changed their service to CDG. I have been to both airports and from a travelling and business standpoint Orly is better. It is closer to the city and has a faster in/out rate. I happen to speak French and English, so getting around isn't that difficult for me. When I think of an American tourist that speaks no French at all I cringe at the thought of CDG. It takes forver to get your baggage, and getting out of the terminal can sometimes seem like a maze of confusion. It has always taken a minimum of 45 minutes to get my baggage at Roissy as opposed to Orly, where I usually get my baggage in 15-25 minutes. It seems as though as soon as you step off the plane, the baggage area is right there. This is the main reason for which I chose AOM for this summer's trip. It is the only airline that flies non-stop from LAX-ORY. I believe that avoiding CDG can potentially save a big headache. If any Americans are considering flying into Paris anytime soon, I seriously recommend Orly. It is smaller, faster and less congested. Thanks,
DC10 From Canada, joined Apr 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (13 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 819 times:
Hi, It's more difficult to airlines to have slots in ORY rather than CDG because it's a more demanded, and smaller airport.
It's true, ORY is closest to the town than CDG but:
1/ ORY is older, there is no cheap restaurant or cafe. There are more shops at CDG.
2/ luggage: depends on the hall you arrived, and on the time. But it's true that, at CDG1, you can wait a long time! Maybe not at CDG2
3/ There is no suburb train in orly to go to town; you have to take the taxi, the Air France/RATP bus, or (worst) the orlyrail. It's easier in Roissy (and there is a HST station to go direct to Brussel/Lille/Lyon).
4/ "When I think of an American tourist that speaks no French at all I cringe at the thought of CDG"; have you ever think to non-english people arriving in the US? Could they speak french/german/itialian/... there? Never the less, I don't understand why ORY "speak better english" than CDG.
Never ther less, it's easier to see planes at ORY; in CDG, in fairly impossible!
Ben88 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1093 posts, RR: 3 Reply 2, posted (13 years 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 812 times:
As a matter of fact, the Tom Bradely International Terminal at LAX is well suited for international passengers. After arrival you go down a long corridor which leads you to the baggage area. After you go through customs the only place to go is straight out of the building. This reminds me a lot of Orly. After you arrive at Orly you get your baggage almost immediately and then the only place to go is straight out of the building. There is no wild goose chase to get out of the terminal. Good luck maneuvering out of CDG after a long flight! As for transportation, the RER-B takes you directly to Chatelet-les-Halles in about 30 min. Like I said, I've been to both Airports numerous times and i've found Ory to be more convenient for me. Of course this is only my personal opinion, and it has been influenced by my own experiences. Thanks,
DC10 From Canada, joined Apr 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (13 years 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 808 times:
Just one point: for transportation, you have to take the expensive orlyrail until Antony and then the RER-B
You're maybe right: CDG is maybe more complicated than ORY; I've been to both airports too, but I don't really noticed this fact.
Raddog2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 786 times:
As a matter of fact, AA refused to move from Orly for a while. The French government twisted arms and bent fingers all over the place to force them to CDG. I think they want to make ORY a regional airport. But I agree, CDG is quite possibly the most inconvenient airport ever. Having one immigration officer handle three 747s offloading passengers simultaneously is ludicrous.
Okay, I am not going to get into a fight, I just want to bring in some lights about a few points that all of you have risen.
Yes, AA was forced to move to CDG, they are very happy there and have more space for their new arrival's lounge and more slots to open new frequencies or routes. Also, all its partners are flying out of CDG, strategically, for a onworld alliance member, they had to join the others at CDG, even if not in the same terminal. Also they could use some of AF's routes around Europe, Africa and the middle-east.
I don't find it very difficult to use the airport at all. There I talk as a passenger and not an Air France employee. The airport terminals as you know was built on a one level for arrivals and departure and you don't need to walk more than 250 meters to get to your plane after you checked in. The half-moon shape was chosen to allow direct access on a straifght line to the airplanes.
As an Air France employee, when you join the airline, you spend 1 week or 1 month working with the ground staff, to help the cabin crews understand the job of the ground employee. I enjoyed it a lot a found it very interesting. How many airlines do this ? We were thaught to check-in, deal with lost bagagge, connections and departures and arrivals. We also had a role game, where we were given instructions to follow, a little like a treasure's quest. We had to find places in the airport and they sent us between all the terminals of 2 and then to terminal 1 from airside etc...
We are very well aware that the bagagge system, particularly at CDG2C is havoc. When they ran the Y2K test in the terminal, the bagagge computer just died and they lost nearly everybag. It was doom's day for the airlines on the platform. Yet, it is not Air France's purchase but the one of ADP, the airport authority.
From now on, Air France is actually going to design the terminals and present it to ADP which will build and buy them. I can even say that AF/DL are design the airport because the model that was chosen is the one of Atlanta Worldport.
Now, You are all talking, but DC10, about CDG, but no one is mentioning if it is CDG1 or CDG2 ?
There can be a big difference in using the airport if you leave from terminal 1 or terminal 2.
Finally, CDG 2F and the soon to be 2E are a marvel of architecture and they work well, lots of very nice and interesting shops and luxurious restaurants. They also include the first airport shops in the world by famous designers.
Ben88 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1093 posts, RR: 3 Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 772 times:
I am not abandoning CDG. I don't think it is a bad airport, I just think that it is mismanaged. ADP should just let AF take over operations.....they practically own the airport anyway. CDG is the kind of airport that needs really good management to work well. As for my own experiences, I have just found that as a tourist, Orly has been more convenient for me in terms of baggage and arrival into the city. There is no doubt that Roissy is more fun and adventurous, and that Orly is a bit drab. But after those long flights it really is cool to have 4 customs (doune) agents for ONE b-767, as has been my experience the last couple of years at Orly. I remember at CDG about five years back there was one customs agent for our whole Air France 747 passenger base!! I am really curious to see how this AOM flight to Orly turns out this year. I really wanted to fly AA, but when I found out that they didnt fly to ORY anymore I decided to go with AOM. Corsair also flies into Ory but their 747's are even more packed than AOM's DC-10's (which by the way im not taking.....I scheduled our flight to be on the A340, which is in normal configuration 2-4-2) If I have a bad experience I will probably go with a major carrier to CDG next year and give it another shot. I haven't been there in about 3 years so maybe they have made improvements. AF cabin crew I just might take you up on that offer of a tour! Thanks,
L. Herjean From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 767 times:
You may find that CDG2 is a lot better than CDG1. CDG1 is typical of those 70's-built buildings: a place where one looses all sense of orientation. In this circular building you never know where you are. I find it very stressful. Try shopping in the mall in La Défense, built in the 70's too. Same thing.
In CDG2 you'll find that boarding or disembarking is a straightforward thing to do: your plane is sitting right behind the counter.