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US DOT Approves New F9, UA, DL Routes  
User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3406 posts, RR: 17
Posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3674 times:

F9: DEN-CZM, MCI-PVR, SLC-PVR all approved. Slated to begin 11/18/05.

UA: DEN-CZM approved. Slated to begin 10/31/05.

DL: SLC-PVR approved. Slated to begin 11/1/05.




I just love how UA and DL had to grab the route authority after F9 applied to these routes! Makes you wonder why they aren't looking into oppurtunities before a competitor does. I don't blame them for defending their networks, just kinda funny!

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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7525 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3558 times:

Quoting PVD757 (Thread starter):
why they aren't looking into oppurtunities before a competitor does

They are initially not interested in those routes because they are 100% leisure and, therefore, low-yielding. However, due to the "2 carriers of each country per city pair" rule under the bilateral, they don't want to take the risk of seeing a potential route from their hub being shared by two competing LCC's.



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3539 times:

Quoting PVD757 (Thread starter):
I just love how UA and DL had to grab the route authority after F9 applied to these routes! Makes you wonder why they aren't looking into oppurtunities before a competitor does. I don't blame them for defending their networks, just kinda funny!

Because these carriers all are reactive and not proactive.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineMD11junkie From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 3136 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

One question for you guys,

What do carriers need to show the DOT to apply for a route and have'em granted?


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User currently offlineAzstar From United States of America, joined May 2005, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3467 times:

This is so typical of the legacy airline industry. DL and UA applied for the routes for NO OTHER REASON than a competitor did. So, instead of having one carrier possibly serve the routes profitably, there will be two airlines on each route likely to lose more buckets of cash. Unbelievable.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32211 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 3):

What do carriers need to show the DOT to apply for a route and have'em granted?

In terms of getting a US-Mexico route, very, very little. They just need to say "we will fly this route", and as long as there is an empty space for a carrier, they get it.

The only time they need to show more is when three or more airlines apply for the same route, like what is going on with MCO-CUN, since only two airlines will get it.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24651 posts, RR: 86
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3150 times:
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Funny.

It used to be that the LCC's were accused of cherry picking the best routes from the majors.

Things change.

 cheerful 

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineN160LH From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3096 times:

F9 will get dominated in SLC by DL on that route to PVR....

N160LH



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24651 posts, RR: 86
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3071 times:
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Quoting N160LH (Reply 7):
F9 will get dominated in SLC by DL on that route to PVR....

Ask yourself - if SLC-CUN wasn't working for Frontier, why would they apply for SLC-PVR?

Especially when they must have kown that Delta would muscle in on it, as they did with SLC-CUN.

cheers

mariner



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