Egghead From United States of America, joined May 2005, 48 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7761 times:
BUCHAREST (Reuters) - An Air India plane bound for New York and carrying 205 passengers aboard made a safe emergency landing in Romania on Thursday after reporting fire aboard, a transport ministry official said.
"The Boeing 777 landed safely in Bucharest and no one aboard was hurt," the official, who asked not to be named, told Reuters.
He said the plane, which took off from Bombay and was due to make its first stop in London, reported a small fire aboard and asked for permission to land at 1510 GMT. It landed at 1555 GMT.
The fire, caused by a short circuit, was put out automatically by safety equipment, the official said.
He said passengers were evacuated from the plane that was now undergoing checks. The passengers would most likely resume their flight within one hour, he added.
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7720 times:
Glad nothing happened! Puh, shocking, but a proof that security measures work!
By the way, there seems to be sth wrong: either it was a 744, or a 777 which solely went to LHR, as no AI 777 flies to NYC, regardless to the US (only to YYZ)
JoyA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 434 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6941 times:
I've nothing to say but that the AI is simply Gone.... Two such incidents on AI reported in the past week or so.
Sorry, but I feel very sorry for those who travel on AI just due to Low Ticket price.
JOY
If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21043 posts, RR: 60 Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6473 times:
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6293 times:
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 10): I would like to know what caused the Short circuit & how severe it was,
Outlook India reports that the fire was extinguished before the pilot went for emergency landing - he decided to give safety very first priority, although the fire was extinguished automatically by the circuits in the luggage bunk.. I think it is very responsible for the captain to go 100 % sure though for economic reasons he coul have continued
haning said that, my favorite comment: BA woul have continued the flight
COUGARRIDES From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6240 times:
Quoting Starrion (Reply 1): What is that on the wind? I hear a thin howl.... "rustbuckets!" I think.
I am shocked that a fellow member can dismiss a serious issue so casually! The lives of thousands of innocent pax are being put to danger by the Air India management.
Quoting JoyA380B747 (Reply 9): Two such incidents on AI reported in the past week or so.
Air India and its corrupt management continues to put innocent passengers in danger by operating these substandard aircraft. Who will take responsibility if one of these planes falls out of the sky tomorrow? I am sure Thulasidas and Patel will both be makig excuses trying to justify the unjustifiable.
Said it before and i say it again: these T7s are to Air India what the westland choppers were to Pawan Hans and will ultimately be the downfall for the airline.
In the meantime, Passengers shoudl avoid travelling by Air India and opt for either BA or 9W. If they have no option then atleast make sure that their flight is not being operated by one of these rustbuckets.
COUGARRIDES From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6153 times:
The most shocking aspect to this incident is the extent to which the AI mgmt is going to keep the knowledge about the problems faced with the 777's secret thus putting the travelling pax under great risk.
It is well known that Air India has been having serious issues with integrating these substandard, damaged aircraft into their fleet with numerous, numerous incidents of aircraft goin tech since the first commercial operation using this aircraft. And atleast one of the aircraft has had its induction idelayed because of issues with (yes!) corrosion related maintainance problems.
Its time the media got into the act and exposed the truth behind the operational and maintainance records of the 3 T7's operating in Air India. Air India is putting the lives of thousands of passengers to great risk everyday by operating these rustbuckets. Its time the truth was told.
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6137 times:
Quoting COUGARRIDES (Reply 17): Air India is putting the lives of thousands of passengers to great risk everyday by operating these rustbuckets. Its time the truth was told.
If this was true, I would not have booked my mom, dad on that aircraft and would not book it for myself. However, I am looking forwar flying the T7 soon (hopefully!)!
COUGARRIDES From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6128 times:
Subin: would u have booked the tix and put you and your family in such danger if you had known the truth about the nature of problems these T7's have been facing since their induction? That is exactly my point. The AI mgmt is putting the lives of thousands of people in danger by pulling a curtain on the T7's known problems.
The fact remains that these 3 rusty aircraft are not completely airworthy and the repeated incidents of cancellations and reschedulings over the past 2 months and now this diversion have proved this inal ample measure.
Let the truth be told: the public has a right to make an informed choice. By not telling the truth the AI mgmt is guilty of endagering the lives of the thousands of passengers who book tix on Air India and and get put on a flight operated by one of these rustbuckets.
I personally think that you are taking a huge risk and unnecessarily putting yourself and your family in grave danger by booking a flight on an aircraft that has a questionable record of operations within Air India. I would suggest you cancel and rebook yourself on BA or 9W or alternately atleast switch to a AI flight operated by a known reliable aircraft like the 744.
COUGARRIDES From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6104 times:
Any source of these figures Mendis? I must ask you how u came up with these figures? Who in Air India is giving u these figures? Wow! U sure have connections man! Bata na: who is giving out these figures?
When you make a post on ANET, you must back it up with some source, like a URL or something like that. Can you post some links to back up your claims please?
COUGARRIDES From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6082 times:
Quoting Mrniji (Reply 22): Roy, actually you ought to do exactly that
And Mendis shouldnt? Mendis has put some strange figures up! i think he needs to come clear on his source for these figures. Some link perhaps?
Or alternately he could tell us who within the airline is telling him these figures! He doesnt work for air India so how does he know these things? Just wanted a clarification!!
which I do regularly seem to be some of the most punctual flights in the AI system. Until this incident flights have been running smoothly hardly any delays that I have noticed. Even the flight information on http://www.baa.co.uk/ backs this up most of the time.
To me what Sean is saying which regards to B777 dispatch reliability seems true.
Also I have flown AI by choice on my flights to India and have found the flights to be fine and I consider AI to be one of the best airlines in the world. If given the choice again would fly Air India to India out of choice.
Worlds Only Reputable Airline Air India! Some Of The Least: BA, Jet (9w), Kingfisher!
WestWing From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2114 posts, RR: 8 Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5864 times:
Quoting B747-437B (Reply 20): VT-AIK has a 99.2% dispatch reliability since January 2005
A purely mathematical digression...
If the dispatch reliability number is accurate, (99.15% <= DR < 99.25%), then the number of dispatch problems must be exactly TWO and AIK has to have made between 234 and 264 successful departures during the period. (If the number of problems was 1, then AIK would have had to have made less than 133 departures, which seems too low).
It was reported in another thread that AI had "cannibalised" an engine from N789UA to replace one of the engines on AIK. Perhaps the engine issues were a contributing factor.
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25 Brons2: Cougarrides, what is your problem? What is the source of you calling these planes rustbuckets?
26 HAWK21M: So it was a Cargo Fire warning Was it.This was VT-AIK wasn't it. regds MEL
27 WestWing: Would be interesting to learn whether AI 777s have halogen or incandescent lighting in the cargo hold.
28 MKEdude: When they landed did they do a full evacuation using the slides, or did they use the stairs instead? Also the T7 has a spotless safety record (absolut
29 TheBigOne: Cougarrides - Sean's proved himself correct countless times on this site. Perhaps its up to you to disprove him?
30 B747-437B: AIK only went into service on January 5. I did some rough math and if my calculations are correct she should have made ~135 revenue flights for AI by
31 A340roy: We need facts and not opinions to judge wether a aircraft is airworthy or not. remember, AI is the only airline (until today) which has a record of n
33 WestWing: So there was only one instance where a departure was cancelled because of aircraft related issues. It is interesting that AIK utilization is ~7 fligh
34 HAWK21M: What was the Recctification Action on the concerned Aircraft. regds MEL
35 COUGARRIDES: BTW, I find it interesting that Mendis has himself not clarified on sources for those figures he gave out earlier! Can we have some sources/evidence f
36 UA777222: Just drop it. You shouldn't let out sources of such information esp. because it was posted on an internet forum. Just take it or not. I have no reaso
37 Mrniji: I never said that (see my post). My point otherwise should be clear to understand, as it has been composed in appropriate language accordingly - I on
38 COUGARRIDES: When any statement puts forward a false claim and tries to do it with an air of authority there is an inherent danger if he doesnt provde the means t
39 COUGARRIDES: Sbin: Nowhere in my post have used any "objectionable language". You yourself make some pretty objectionable remaks about "knowing more than others...
40 Mrniji: OK, I just give it up, as I could talk to a wall or my nani and reach as far as I do with you. My time is far too precious to engage in such a discuss
41 TKMCE: Aviation patritism is one thing Mrinji But also let me explain the other BITTER side of it as far as Air India is concerned , esp for those who are no
42 COUGARRIDES: I didnt say that! You Did! Quoting MrNiji in Reply #36 As I told you, this is difficult to understand for someone like Roy, so please have understand
43 UA777222: I didn't find his post authrotive whatsoever. For all I know he picked those numbers out of his butt. He doesn't have to say where he got it, when he
44 Lutfi: I like Air India. If it wasn't for their ineptness, flights to India by other airlines wouldn't be so profitable. So next time you take EK, with all t
45 COUGARRIDES: No he does have to clarify where he got these figures. That is if ANET wants to be known as a forum for serious discussions. Otherwise we may as well
46 COUGARRIDES: Some more URL's showing that this was certainly not an isolated incident and glaring indicators to the shameful way in which Air India is run: From 'K
47 HAWK21M: The AI Fleet Reliability Index will be with the DGCA.As a Scheduled Operator A Monthly Flight Statistics Report will be distributed to the Airline Con
48 B747-437B: The information comes from sources at Air India operations. If the accuracy of the figures really bothers you however, you can verify (or disprove) t
49 COUGARRIDES: Great idea! I think this is a very constructive suggestion! Perhaps mendis could get his hands on this report and provide a URL or something and help
50 B747-437B: I also suggest you contact Boeing's Commercial Airplanes division and ask them for the dispatch reliability numbers for various airlines. They do actu
51 COUGARRIDES: "sources" is pretty vague! It doesnt help clarify the doubts that readers may have on the figures. Could u be more specific and tell us who gave you
52 HAWK21M: AAC 5 0f 2001 Get the Engineering Statictics Report for May 2005 too thru him.Should be out by now. That would rest this Debate. regds MEL[Edited 200
53 B747-437B: There are 3 options for you to get independent confirmation of the figures I posted. a) DGCA reports b) Boeing Commercial Aircraft c) Public access w
54 B747-437B: Also curious why you didn't challenge my information in Reply 4 where I identified the flight and the specific aircraft based on the same source in co
55 COUGARRIDES: The DGCA website only lists the data for the year past. We are looking for information about this year. Anyway we are curious as to who your sources
56 B747-437B: You can visit the DGCA offices in Delhi and ask them for more up-to-date figures. You have asked this before and I have responded before that the sou
57 Mrniji: This thread is finally becoming funny... - go guys!
58 TheBigOne: Cougarrides I am sorry but I don't think you can see how you are tearing your own argument to shreds! First of all, you claim that it is a well known
59 Mrniji: I think Swedish Law is relevant,though an argument between two persons with the same nationality could result in domestic courts to become active I t
60 WestWing: From http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1133795.cms : [Thulasidas] said a A-I Mumbai-London Boeing 777 flight was diverted to Bucharest a
61 Shawnnyc: Libel can be applied to the internet in certain cases, but the KEY is AI would have to bring the case and show damage. The comments, true or false, p
63 COUGARRIDES: I dont think I overdid anything at all! All i did was to ask a member to clarify his sources in a very dignified manner!! Scroll back and see for you
64 Jaysit: And interestingly enough, the mangoes were coming in from Ethiopia (Did anyone even know that Ethiopia cultivated mangoes??). Guess that's what happen
65 COUGARRIDES: Fire alarm set off by a cargo of mangoes!! Couldnt thulasidas have come up with a better excuse!! And to think this fellow is running this airline!
66 COUGARRIDES: I wasnt ranting about 777's. I was asking a fellow member from where he sourced the information about despatch reliability of the T7.
67 Jaysit: But Roy, although some of your posts about AI make valid points, you've been at this 777 thing for months armed with a pre-determined verdict, damn th
68 Airish: COUGARRIDES what do you have against Air India which is one the best airlines in the world in my view and an airline which I fly to India on as it off
69 Thunderbird1: Roy, You only pay 2.5 months of your salary in taxes? You should be thankful you don't live in the USA! Seriously, if you don't like Air-India--which
70 Mrniji: fantastic to see how we indians make ourselves fools in public
71 Skyguy: COUGARRIDES, I think I speak for several of us on this particular thread and believe there are a few things you need to be aware of. In short, your co
72 LX23: COUGARRIDES: You SERIOUSLY need to get yourself a girl or something mate (not meaning to offend any women on the forums)... or a least a few crates of
73 Mrniji: I just showed this thread to my colleague (Indian!), and we are of the opinion that it is sad to see how we Indians are actively willing to show the w
74 Atmx2000: He isn't new. He just a permabanned member posting under a new ID.
75 COUGARRIDES: All I will say now is that I did no wrong in asking Mendis to name the source for that "info" in Reply #20. Is there any way to check the accuracy of
76 Mrniji: I mean Roy, I did not put any name in my pervious posts - since you seem to refer this to you, it seems to have a bad conscious - self-critique is a g
77 Shawnnyc: Cougarrides, If I could respectfully suggest something: i think you are getting the reactions from people because the discussion sidetracked to you as
78 B747-437B: Yes there is. There is raw data from a neutral source at http://www.lhr-lgw.co.uk/ that you can use to verify the information I provided. If you are
79 COUGARRIDES: Sean is the person giving out "information" and it remains his responsibility to quote the source not mine.' Thanx for that. But now you are contradi
80 Mrniji: People, is there anyone like me who says: "Lets get along and stop these battles, lets all apologize to each other and look forward"? - A apologize to
81 HAWK21M: Dont Ever think of that Subin.It would hurt Any Indian Seeing that,And Some like me are quite Violent in these matters. Comon Roy Now a debate on thi
82 HAWK21M: So Anyone Got hold of the Monthly Statistics report yet. regds MEL
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