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HP To Hawaii Announced  
User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4326 times:

Merger or not, HP announces flights to Hawaii ...
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2005/Jun/07/bz/bz10p.html

And their 752s may not be ETOPS certified, much less flight and cabin crews(?)


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25841 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4317 times:

Quoting Bluewave 707 (Thread starter):
And their 752s may not be ETOPS certified

a sub fleet of 3 B757s are in the process of being ETOPS certified.



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4318 times:

The Arizona-based airline has begun training crews and is awaiting approval from the Federal Aviation Administration to make the flights,

Sounds like it may be ETOPS certification.

Harry



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26626 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4315 times:

Quoting Bluewave 707 (Thread starter):
much less flight and cabin crews(?)

That is not all that hard

Quoting Bluewave 707 (Thread starter):
And their 752s may not be ETOPS certified

Nope, they aren't, so they need to buy some and maintain them to the standard (something HP does not have a great past for) or get theirs done right quick



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4287 times:

PHX HNL should be a good service.

The LAS service may hurt HA and Aloha a bit. They both depend on that destination, as LAS is the number one vacation destination for Hawaiians. And with Aloha only connected to LAS in SFO...



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26626 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4281 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
And with Aloha only connected to LAS in SFO...

Aloha does not fly to SFO, they fly to OAK



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User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4274 times:

How much the HP entry into the Hawaii market from LAS, will depend on how many flights HP intends to have once service is established. LAS is served by HA, AQ, X9, and TZ all with non-stops.

It will somehow affect the code-share that HA has with HP with the PHX flights. TZ and HA both have a flight to PHX, AQ canceled that route.

I guess we will see what pans out in the coming months.



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User currently offlineUPSMD11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 816 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4162 times:
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This will be a great link if they can connect some of the larger US stations in the east with PHX. SDF (always my favorite to talk about) is one that comes to mind as not having service to PHX on HP. We do have service to PHX on WN, but it's not my favorite as US has alwasy been my airline of choice.

I guess we'll all sit back and wait to see where the flights and routes fall out.

Cheers,
John


User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4080 times:

Years ago, HP flew 747 to HNL. Discontinued HNL.


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User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3988 times:

US Airways' 757s are already EOW equipped. May not take much to get them ETOPS ready.

[Edited 2005-06-08 15:34:05]

User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3958 times:
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Will they offer a better inflight product [ie full meal service, etc.] or will it be like their transcon service where you have to buy a snack?

User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5193 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3916 times:

Quoting John (Reply 9):
US Airways' 757s are already EOW equipped. May not take much to get them ETOPS ready.

They will be certifying their own 757s though as they were in the process of planning Hawaii flights prior to this merger talk--plus in the event that the merger falls through they plan on still flying the routes. Hopefully they have some type of service enhancements.



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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7508 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3813 times:

Considering HP's 757's are some of the oldest out there (ex-EA) , I wonder what will be involved in making them ETOPS certified ?


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User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3770 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
They both depend on that destination, as LAS is the number one vacation destination for Hawaiians.

Vegas actually has a large Hawaiian population and there are loads of Hawaiians who come here to vacation. That Omni DC-10 is chartered by The Boyd Group (Sam’s Town, Cal, Fremont, and others). Go to the Cal – that place is little Hawaii inside.


User currently offlineWA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3325 times:

I posted this topic on 5/31. Regardless, nice to see people interested.

With or without the merger with US, HP plans on serving Hawaii from both PHX and LAS in 2006.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...usiness/articles/0531hawaii31.html

They also plan on flying to KOA and LIH. Will HP use 752s of their own or the 752s and 762s from US? I doubt they'll use the A332s. LIH is 752 worthy, but KOA can handle heavier aircraft. TZ has increased service to OGG and HNL from PHX on 753s, so maybe fares will drop when US (or HP?) enters the market.



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User currently offlineMtnmanmakalu From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3213 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
PHX HNL should be a good service.

If I recall correctly, HP flew daily PHX-HNL for years with the 747, along with some LAS-HNL flights that were flown at the end before stopping service to HNL altogether by Northwest DC-10's and flight crew that were wet-leased... The NGO route was sold to NWA, which still flies it today (from DTW and NRT). I worked for HP during this time and flew the PHX-HNL route a few times.... HP was also in the process of ETOPS certifying their 757's in 1992-93, but quit the process due to $ constraints before they were done..

mtnman



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User currently offlineCMB320 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 414 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3174 times:

How will HP fly to all of the proposed Hawaii destinations with only a subfleet of 3 ETOPS 757 aircraft? Wouldn't it take more than that for substantial daily service?

User currently offlineWA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3179 times:

HP flew both PHX and LAS nonstop to HNL on 747s. Sometimes the HNL-LAS flight would continue on to PHX and vice versa. On a Vegas trip in 1990, I flew home on the big bird and it was the shortest 747 flight I ever had. For a short time, HP had 747 service to JFK from PHX. This was short lived since they only had three or four 747s and they had to get them them to HNL and NGO, so if there were delays in JFK, the HNL pax in PHX and LAS had their vacations delayed. The NGO from HNL service didn't do well either.


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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3118 times:

Quoting WA727 (Reply 14):
TZ has increased service to OGG and HNL from PHX on 753s

TZ just lost the Pleasant Holidays contract. So PHX-HNL is just going to get tougher for them.



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User currently offlineMtnmanmakalu From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 515 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3107 times:

Quoting WA727 (Reply 17):
The NGO from HNL service didn't do well either

This is true- when the Gulf War started, there was rumour of an HP 747 NGO-HNL flight with 1 pax on board.... Don't know if it is true, but would like to know from an old crew member... The NWA NGO route does well- always full when I have worked them..

mtnman



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User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3075 times:

Sorry ... sometimes news takes time to travel across the Pacific Ocean.  Smile


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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2913 times:
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Will they have an upgraded, improved inflight service product or will they still sell food?

User currently offlineGift4tbone From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2655 times:

Well, i dont know about this one. HP used to fly this route, and it didnt work, we'll see i guess.

Another thought, is maybe someone at HP has the inside scoop from WN. becuase if you recall, WN is in the process of ETOPS certifying(spelling?) their 73Gs. Hum? Maybe this is competition. If HP starts the route first, they would have the upper hand on WN. Talk about strategy. Would be nice to see WN/HP go head to head on some new HI routes. WN has to be ready to rid itself of TZ sooner or later.

-Tony@PVD



Top 3 airports: PVD 26.0%(115 flights), PHL 15.6%(69 flights), PHX 12.0%(53 flights)
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25841 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2633 times:

Quoting Gift4tbone (Reply 22):
WN is in the process of ETOPS certifying(spelling?) their 73Gs

WN is not in the process of ETOPS its fleet. What SWA is doing is over water equipping its aircraft to allow for more direct routings particularly across the Gulf and up/down the East Coast.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26626 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2476 times:

Quoting WA727 (Reply 14):
I doubt they'll use the A332s.

US does not have A332s, only A333s

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 18):
TZ just lost the Pleasant Holidays contract. So PHX-HNL is just going to get tougher for them.

Actually, of all routes, PHX-HNL will not be as difficult, because it is one of the WN codeshare connecting cities



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25 Ikramerica : looked at their route map with all those little curved lines, but didn't read the city name. sorry bout dat.
26 Flyboyaz : It will do just fine. Actually when we flew to HNL back in the late 80's/early 90's...the HNL run did very well. It was just a bad time for us (and s
27 Drerx7 : I think HP will make a healthy return on these Hawaii flights--the 757 is the perfect aircraft for them. I just hate to see that this may mean a lot o
28 Swadispatcher : PHH flights were only out of LAX and SFO for TZ.. We are hungh? Maybe you are talking about life vests... (162nm offshore instead of 50)
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