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A350 Will Not Be Launched At Paris  
User currently offlineBells From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 157 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11282 times:

EADS has just announced the A350 will not be launched at Paris. They are now aiming for the "end of September".

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User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5083 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11256 times:

And they had +100 orders? I don't get it........ Do you have a link to the story?

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User currently offlineHEGAN From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11255 times:

And all those orders???

Agur,
Hegan



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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11236 times:

Quoting Bells (Thread starter):
EADS has just announced the A350 will not be launched at Paris. They are now aiming for the "end of September".

Come on you gotta learn... when it comes to a story like this you have to include the SOURCE!  Wink



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User currently offlineTeva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1869 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11123 times:

maybe part of the issue is the compensation for the EKs A380 delay.
the deal about the A350 has to be re-negotiated because of this, and they will probably make the announcement during the DXB airshow.
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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11083 times:

Quoting Teva (Reply 4):
maybe part of the issue is the compensation for the EKs A380 delay.
the deal about the A350 has to be re-negotiated because of this, and they will probably make the announcement during the DXB airshow.

Perhaps, but Leahy made the "100+ A350 announcement" comment AFTER they had announced the A380 delay so for all I know, this could be a hoax. That's why I am asking for a source. I can't find anything about it on the net. It doesn't make sense.



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User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1596 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11049 times:

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 3):
Come on you gotta learn... when it comes to a story like this you have to include the SOURCE! Wink

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/news...1_YUE841419_RTRUKOC_0_ARMS-BAE.xml

""We at BAE Systems (BA.L: Quote, Profile, Research) are fully supportive of the programme as are the customers, with more than 100 commitments already taken," he said."



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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11018 times:

This could be the reason - the EADS Board can't reach agreement:-

"Separately, EADS directors failed to reach a decision on whether to officially launch the A350 after a meeting Tuesday, French newspaper Les Echos reported. The board is meeting again Wednesday, AFX News reported.

"Industry observers expect the official launch of the A350 to take place next week at the Paris Air Show."


http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...81B7-386FF89F9BF5%7D&siteid=google



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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11012 times:

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 6):

Wahaaay, thanks for the link Big grin

"EADS, which holds the other 80 percent, said on Wednesday the boards of the two firms aimed to proceed towards the full industrial launch of the A350 programme by the end of September"

This is not to say that they will not announce their A350 orders at Paris. This is only saying that the industrial launch date is somehwere between now and September. So nothing new here. Either way, I think they will make a big deal of the A380 and ensure that's the focus of attention, rather than the A350 (for now at least).



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User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10954 times:

However they try to spin this, it doesn't inspire confidence. The A350 is having a very troubled birth. It's beginning to look as if 2005 will be a year that Airbus will want to forget.

User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10922 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 9):
However they try to spin this, it doesn't inspire confidence. The A350 is having a very troubled birth. It's beginning to look as if 2005 will be a year that Airbus will want to forget.

Troubled year? Yes considering the delay with the A380 and current A350 complications. But I wouldn't go as far as saying they want to "forget it". So the US is giving them a hard time regarding the financing of the A350? So what... it will be sorted out. Where there's a will there's a way. And there definately is a will  Wink



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User currently offlineAeronuts From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10896 times:

Makes good sense for not launching the A350 during the show. Look at it this way - why split your focus - you've got the A380 as "THE PLANE" at the show. Why split the time with the A350? Airbus can always launch the A350 at a later date, to continue the buzz AFTER the Paris air show.

User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10893 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 9):
However they try to spin this, it doesn't inspire confidence. The A350 is having a very troubled birth. It's beginning to look as if 2005 will be a year that Airbus will want to forget.

Beginning to look? I am afraid its already past that.  Sad

Anyway, is it possible that the recent delay of the new Airbus CEO may be playing a factor in this decision?

By the way I understand it - Airbus have what you may call an Authority to Offer the A350 now, but won't commit to a "full industrial launch" until later September?

If thats the case I fear its more an internal Airbus issue with senior management than anything else, but thats just my feeling.  Wink



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User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1596 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10884 times:

The reason for this is that they lost one of their 'expected' order the Qatar for 60 units. So this would be another Airbus customer going for Boeing.

I don't want to reveal a source but lets say its a hunch.... and speculation for now...

Cheers!



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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10856 times:

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 12):
By the way I understand it - Airbus have what you may call an Authority to Offer the A350 now, but won't commit to a "full industrial launch" until later September?

If thats the case I fear its more an internal Airbus issue with senior management than anything else, but thats just my feeling.

They have only said that the official industrial launch will be by the end of September. Nothing else, so you can still expect them to be taking and announcing orders at Paris. As you have mentioned, it is an internal thing. Thanks to NAV20's article you can see the main reason behind this were the legalities regarding how to pay for the project... which is not being made easy for them at the moment. Again, nothing new!



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User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10778 times:

Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 13):
The reason for this is that they lost one of their 'expected' order the Qatar for 60 units. So this would be another Airbus customer going for Boeing.

Not disputing that QR may have done this, I do not believe that is the reason for this. Quite simply, it would be stupid for Airbus to sit back and let Boeing have the floor in announcing such a big order and delaying the much awaited announcement of the plane they want to compete with it.

As I believe the article NAV20 posted stated, the reason is a funding issue concerned with the talks between the US governments and the WTO.

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 14):
Thanks to NAV20's article you can see the main reason behind this were the legalities regarding how to pay for the project... which is not being made easy for them at the moment. Again, nothing new!

I expect that they will need those few extra months to sort out the legalities and other issues associated with obtaining the launch funds from another source?

[Edited 2005-06-08 15:09:10]


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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10727 times:

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 15):
Not disputing that QA may have done this, I do not believe that is the reason for this. Quite simply, it would be stupid for Airbus to sit back and let Boeing have the floor in announcing such a big order and delaying the much awaited announcement of the plane they want to compete with it.

Yeah, that's what I thought. Besides when did Qatar or Leahy ever state that there was an A350 order from their side. Airbus still talks of a 100+ order so unless there were like 175 last week, I doubt Qatar is an issue.

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 15):
I expect that they will need those few extra months to sort out the legalities and other issues associated with obtaining the launch funds from another source?

Or from the same source, but with more paperwork  Wink



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User currently offlineDynkrisolo From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1848 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10713 times:

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 12):
Airbus have what you may call an Authority to Offer the A350 now

That was in December when Air Europa announced their MOU.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10640 times:

I think these "orders" are still rather speculative. Boeing could probably still win the EK order by offering a B787-10. I don't think that's likely in this time frame, but it's possible. We'll have to wait a week to see.

User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5666 posts, RR: 47
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10448 times:

Well Airbus has said that they could develop the A350 w/o launch aid, they could have proceeded with full launch if that was the case given their statement. So I do not believe that it is the WTO dispute that is holding up the industrial launch. There must be another reason for the delay in my opinion.


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User currently offlineSjoerd From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10445 times:

Airbus only announced 100+ orders for the A350 in Paris, they never announced a launch of the program.

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User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10431 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 18):
I think these "orders" are still rather speculative. Boeing could probably still win the EK order by offering a B787-10. I don't think that's likely in this time frame, but it's possible. We'll have to wait a week to see.

Yeah, on one hand Airbus seems confident that it has 100 orders for the aircraft (which would tend to make one think that EK was in there) but on the other hand there is industry speculation that EK are very much open to suggestions - however I don't feel the 787-10 is an option. Boeing has said nothing about it, and if it were to be offered the time frame would be a very large drawback if it were to win the EK order.  Wink



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User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3288 posts, RR: 31
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10405 times:

I'm confused. When Airbus first announced this new type called the A350, wouldn't that have been considered the "launch"? Why would they take orders for something that hasn't even been "launched" yet?


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 911 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10363 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 22):
Why would they take orders for something that hasn't even been "launched" yet?

That's how it always works. The first order and industrial launch are usually concurent. Creating an airliner goes something like this, I will deliniate at which point this happened with the A350 and 787

- Conceptual product announced (A350- Nov 04) (787- Jan 03)
- Athority to offer the product given to sales team (A350- Dec 04) (787- Dec 03)
- First order and industrial launch (A350 - ?) (787- Apr 04)
- Design freeze (787- Summer 05)
- Production start (787- Jan 06)
- Prototype roll-out (787- Jan 07)
- First flight (787- Jan 07)
- Certification and Entry to Service (787- Jan 08)

That's just in a nutshell, of course...


User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 29
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10345 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 22):
I'm confused. When Airbus first announced this new type called the A350, wouldn't that have been considered the "launch"? Why would they take orders for something that hasn't even been "launched" yet?

No, its the same as Boeing and the 747Adv. or even the 787 (7E7) for that matter. Essentially there are a number of stages involved with a new type.

Obviously the R&D, and all the associated economics and market "games" and then they announce it... and then they authorise the salespeople to sell it, and then the industrially launch it (where the funding comes and the thing starts to get the real momentum) and then they make it, test it etc.

For example, technically people know the 747Adv. exists because Boeing have announced it - but they haven't authorised it for sale yet which is why their is never-ending speculation here as to what is going on with it.

A little confusing I agree.

*Edit* - See DfwRevolution's post above! A really good explination of it all!  Wink

[Edited 2005-06-08 15:52:27]


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25 BoeingBus : while true no formal announcement was made... Nervetheless, everyone expected an announcement in Paris... When you have Leahy running around raising
26 AirFrnt : Holy cow. This is a big deal, it smacks of the exact same behavior Boeing did when they tried to launch the various 747 derivatives. Remember that Bo
27 Post contains images FlyAUA : It has the cash and the creditors but certain people are whining about that so first they have to get those obstacles "out the way" to put it nicely.
28 BoeingBus : and do you believe everything you read? Look, this doesn't look to good... no matter what excuses they come out with... a WTO case takes years of inv
29 AirFrnt : The A350 is considerably larger then the 787. While there is overlap between the largest 787 and the smallest A350, the plane is really targeted (at
30 NYC777 : These guys think the A380-800 is too small for them. Hate to be on a 650 passenger plane though. Sounds like EK wants to fly cattle trains.
31 Zvezda : The A350-900 -- if launched -- will kill the B777-200ER. However, the A350-800 would compete with the B787-9.
32 BoeingBus : I wouldn't be so sure. The 777 has features that still set it apart... such as cargo volume, range and a wider fuselage. so while, the A350 may consu
33 Post contains images FlyAUA : No I only believe what I feel is a credible source. Airbus is not coming up with excuses. They don't have to give anybody excuses. They are just lett
34 Post contains images FlyAUA : Sorry this is not correct. Again people are confusing the different A350 derivatives. This is why I said you should have another look at the numbers.
35 Ken777 : The comment in one of the articles about Airbus willing to give up government financing if certain conditions are met might be one of the keys. This c
36 Zvezda : The A350-900 won't touch the B777-200LR, but it will eat the B777-200ER alive. The A350 has greater range, similar cargo capabilities, and much lower
37 Post contains images FlyAUA : Haha, yeah  I would hope so for the sake of both sides   Plus they have manged to make the A350 have a roomier cabin without widening the fuselage
38 DfwRevolution : Which raises the question, was it already dead? Could Boeing really get another 100 orders from the 772ER, A350 or no A350? The niche that the 772ER
39 HEGAN : As finanzas.com says, Airbus will launch the A350 in September, and it will be so due to the commitments they have and which will be announced at Pari
40 RayChuang : Why do I have this feeling that the A350 launch delay may have been caused by Emirates Airways (EK) quietly reaching a deal with Boeing to buy more pr
41 Atmx2000 : Since when has it had greater range and similar cargo capabilities? The range numbers I have seen are lower, and while the A359 probably has greater
42 FlyAUA : No it never was, and I believe the thread title was quite misleading in that sense in order to create some hyped-up, heated, speculative discussion.
43 Wingman : Two factors at play here I'm sure. One is the recent SIA news about a 250 seater RFP. This could really be worrying to Airbus if they are suddenly see
44 HEGAN : Yes probably a much better title. The main idea I think is that thanks to the 100+ commitments the A350 will be launched in September. The following
45 AirFrnt : I said: You said: And the media says: I think that qualifies as "overlap between the largest 787 and the smallest A350 I said: You said Leahy Says: Wh
46 Post contains images N60659 : Well, at the end of 2004, when Airbus made their initial product offering of the A350, it appeared to be ill-conceived and lacking in specifics. Since
47 FlyAUA : Maybe not many but definately a fair bunch! It can do exactly what the 787 can with similar fuel burn, capacity, range, and on top of all that, commo
48 NYC777 : Commonality it seems is not trully going to be a factor given that AC and KE, notable A330 operators did not buy into that arguement when the A30 was
49 AirFrnt : That remains to be seen. Airbus unlike Boeing has very little creditability in terms of launch numbers. The A380 may reverse that trend, but I would
50 NAV20 : Maybe worth drawing attention to the actual words in the article I quoted earlier:- "EADS directors failed to reach a decision on whether to officiall
51 Zvezda : Simple, they just replace the insulation with a more expensive material that insulates better. They may save weight in the process as well as gain sp
52 Post contains links DfwRevolution : Whoa whoa... slow down turbo. What led you to that conclusion? First, Airbus claimed that the A358 will have 4% lower fuel consumption (per seat) tha
53 Post contains images FlyAUA : Airbus is doing the same, except for the bleedless engines which they have also justified. And although 35-45% of the aircraft will be made of compos
54 Post contains links Cwapilot : I agree with Wingman...maybe the Europeans are starting to come around to the US's way of thinking. The US says Airbus is not the underdog it was befo
55 Columbia107 : Incredible how quickly people were prepared to challenge the news that the A350 would not be launched at the Paris airshow. Well Associated Press did
56 Post contains links NAV20 : As far as I know EADS works on the calendar year, FlyAUA. First of all, by delaying the project, they will only have three months' expenditure to cov
57 Post contains images FlyAUA : Wow stunning Thanks for the information in that post. You've convinced me this time!
58 Glom : Not quite. The seat mile costs are claimed to be comparable to the 787 for the respective variants, but this has been partly achieved by making the t
59 Post contains links B2707SST : Boeing's Current Market Outlook slideshow, which also includes plane-by-plane matchups of Boeing's offerings versus Airbus', claims that the 788 will
60 Glom : Of one thing you can be sure. With the A350 on the market, Boeing will do everything in their power to make the 787 as efficient as possible, hence th
61 Post contains images Davejondi : With the delay of the 380 and now the launch delay for the 350 how will Airbus be affected if Boeing comes out of Paris with a bunch of new 787 orders
62 WhiteHatter : Well that's a completely brainless comment when you consider that Boeing suffered hugely through leaving their portfolio untouched for so long, and c
63 Zvezda : Well, no. The B787 is not 100% composite. It is about 50% composite by weight and 80% by volume. Also, the A350s will not have the same fuel-burn as
64 Ikramerica : Why don't we all just wait a week? Last I heard it was 6. Is this new info, or wishful thinking? Or will we eventually be hearing it is ahead of sche
65 Birdbrainz : A couple of quick observations: Expect Airbus to make the A350 a little bigger/smaller so that they can differentiate it from the 787. The two compani
66 AirbusDriver : How do you know the design is not even done yet. Let wait and see.
67 Post contains images FlyAUA : Sorry I meant 5 (or 4.5 to be accurate). Everyone was speculating that the industrial launch of the A350 was going to be next week. Now it has been c
68 M27 : When and where did Boeing do this? I thought it was 20% over the 767. It was Leheay with 30% for the A359 over the 777
69 N60659 : Not trying to be argumentative, but where did you see that comparison? B2707SST provided this statement from Boeing in the 2005 outlook: Where was th
70 Post contains images FlyAUA : Somebody on here quoted some article a while ago... this is getting really confusing. I don't what to believe anymore, the numbers are continuously c
71 DfwRevolution : Where, may I ask, do they claim that? First, you're using faulty logic... You're ignoring basic physics. There is almost no way the A350 can have a l
72 Post contains images FlyAUA : I never claimed it can do this so don't know what you're on about. I didn't say it would be lower. They will MATCH it by having more seats. That's wh
73 Glom : I didn't and I didn't want to. Say it isn't so.
74 Kaitak : I have a hunch (the bells! Esmeralda!) that EK may have prompted this; at the moment, they're having delays on A380 compensation and the A340-500 does
75 Glom : Bigger isn't a virtue as such. It just means it fills a different position in the market. No-one thinks the A330 is better than the A320 simply becau
76 Zvezda : I hope the A350 is launched and that it's as good as the B787. I realize that's wishful thinking, but airlines and passengers would benefit from the
77 ConcordeBoy : which, if ever done, would be a blatant falsehood (in terms of both order and delivery). Not sure what you're asking/saying here... but yes, the 777
78 Post contains links Katekebo : A decent article about the reasons behind delay in A350 launch can be found here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8145009/
79 Glom : I told you to say it wasn't so. I thought trijets were far too maintenance dodgy to be competitive even with quads.
80 B2707SST : Not directly, but Boeing’s presentation includes a slide (no. 43) comparing the fuel burn of various Boeing and Airbus aircraft over 100 passenger-
81 Ikramerica : well, B says 298 for 2-class (domestic) on the 783, so using that scenario, you could add about 50 (6m stretch with 6 first/business, 44 econ, extra
82 RJ777 : I hate to say this, but it's looking like the Paris Air Show may be a major event for Boeing!
83 Post contains images Lightsaber : But to be fair, Boeing wants everyone to forget 2004. Quite sensible. As others have noted, Airbus needs to find their own niche. Well said. Going he
84 Post contains images Atmx2000 : Come on, you know Airbus is trying to lighten the A350.
85 Abba : I think that you are still into the bleedless myth. This is NOT what is going to make the 787 more efficient with any big margin. As documented by ot
86 Post contains links Atmx2000 : http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/...h/jun2005/nf2005068_8890_db039.htm All though this is not a complete quote, this sounds like backtracking in th
87 Iwok : $1.4 Billion cost overruns were needed to overcome the weight issue. So its not just a 4-6 month slip, but a huge cost overrun that is going to be th
88 Avek00 : Bullcrap - the A300/310/767 replacement & new longhaul expansion market is large enough for two serious contestants.
89 RIX : FlightPath by AIRtime Publishing (Vol. 1) says about 767/777 family with "common wing policy", 777 being a " pair of... tri-jet variants for transcon
90 Post contains links Monteycarlos : From ATW Online today: ""Following the already public commitments towards the A350 by several airlines, and having reviewed the ones to be announced i
91 TexasLonghorn : No way. A few years down the line, when the A350 is selling well, we will alll have all forgotten the A350's bumpy start. Airbus cannot be blind to t
92 Post contains images Zvezda : Great analysis! Welcome to my Respected Users list! For those who are interested, if we extrapolate, the comparable fuel consumption numbers for the
93 Glideslope : Launch Aid is not the largest issue facing Airbus. The fact that airlines have simply lost faith in Airbus' performance claims is currently snowballi
94 Glacote : I have no definite argument on wether or not the A350 will burn more or less but your argument is partly flawed. Actually IIRC Airbus design wings wi
95 Glacote : I believe that the overweight was mainly addressed by using more carbon-fiber structures inside the wings. This cost is passed onto each aircraft rat
96 DAYflyer : While the 787 continues to rack up orders... Absolutely. And further, with the A-380 issues regarding the delivery delays, it hurts even more. The 77
97 OldAeroGuy : Can you explain what you mean by this statement? If climb Mach no. is equal to cruise Mach no. (and they usually are very close above FL250 or so), w
98 WhiteHatter : Sorry to interrupt the cheerleading, but the recent Rolls Royce announcement could have a lot to do with this. The A350 was being offered with the GEn
99 WINGS : We never know but lets just wait a few more days and see what will happen. Am sure that Airbus has something up its sleeve. Many airlines are candida
100 Post contains images Jacobin777 : right, care to explain the recent big 777 orders from AI and AC (not to mention freighter versions for the 777) the past few months ???
101 Atmx2000 : If Aeroflot can't fill 772s, why would they go for an A350 whose claim to fame is really the largest model? The 788 as a 763 replacement seems more s
102 NYC777 : He probably means 772ER/773. I agree that 777 are still a great seller but only the 772LR/773ER/777LRF. That's going to be the sales leaders of the 7
103 Zvezda : I fly Aeroflot from time to time and I find it unlikely they would want anything larger than a B787-8. I can't think of a single market where they wo
104 Post contains images Monteycarlos : I think the reference was being made more about the 772A, 773 and 772ER models. The newer 77NG models are sellers in their own right but IMO will nev
105 Atmx2000 : I would expect a pretty strong showing from the 773ER. I could see it selling about as well as the 772ER, filling in the space between the 744 and 77
106 Monteycarlos : On one hand yes it theoretically should sell well, but many airlines have already bought up on the T7's they want that gap to fill and as such it mig
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