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New Airline JFK-STN -- Eos  
User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2281 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4346 times:

Today Eos Airlines announced plans to launch JFK-STN route with all biz class 757s.

See web site: http://www.eosairlines.com/ and press release: http://www.eosairlines.com/PressRelease_060805.pdf.

Despite the distance from STN to town, this niche might just work.


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User currently offlineLeonB1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4305 times:

Good luck to them. What ever happened to FlyFirst, who were going to operate into LTN?

Hopefully they will be able to pull it off - I know that some years ago BlueFox planned to launch routes from STN (using the Harrods Aviation terminal) with B767-300s, but nothing ever happened.

[Edited 2005-06-08 16:19:24]

User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3158 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

This must be really comfortable! They offer 48 seats in a 752. LH/PrivatAir offers 48 seats in a 73G, and that already gets very good reviews.

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4203 times:

Looks really nice, but I expect this is another of those paper airlines that pops out of the woodwork now and again, and won't get any further than a pretty website and bunch of PR puff. Like BlueFox and Fly Riviera etc etc etc.

No indication on their website of interline agreements either end, or are they just planning O&D traffic.

No indication which terminal at JFK they want to use (this could make a difference too).

Plane ? or planes - if there's just one, what happens if the wheel falls off ? They'll have trouble finding a replacement with that sort of onboard comfort, and if you're getting people to shell out USD4-5000 one way, they'll scream the place down if they have to fly on some wet-lease Air Atlanta shed.


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4191 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 3):
Looks really nice, but I expect this is another of those paper airlines that pops out of the woodwork now and again, and won't get any further than a pretty website and bunch of PR puff. Like BlueFox and Fly Riviera etc etc etc.

These sort of airlines only seem to work when they link up with a major carrier a la Privat Air with LH and LX.

Suspect this won't last long - if it even flies at all....

[Edited 2005-06-08 17:15:31]


Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3766 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4153 times:

Good news!

What terminal will Eos use at JFK, 4??

Are they based @ JFK or STN?

Rob!


User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4143 times:

Is this another MaxJet? MaxJet is supposed to start JFK-STN, but in a standard configuration 767.

User currently offlineLegendDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4049 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 3):
Plane ? or planes - if there's just one, what happens if the wheel falls off ? They'll have trouble finding a replacement with that sort of onboard comfort, and if you're getting people to shell out USD4-5000 one way, they'll scream the place down if they have to fly on some wet-lease Air Atlanta shed.

If you had read closely you would have seen that they already have 3 aircraft. There is no indication on how many they will have by the time they start flying.


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4038 times:

Quoting LegendDC9 (Reply 7):
If you had read closely you would have seen that they already have 3 aircraft

Oh - I missed that bit on the website. Ta for the info. 3 seems like a lot just to operate JFK-STN. How many dailies will they run ?


User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4009 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 8):
Oh - I missed that bit on the website. Ta for the info. 3 seems like a lot just to operate JFK-STN. How many dailies will they run ?

I wonder why they chose STN and not LGW or LTN. STN seems like an odd LON airport.

Maybe they'll start flying to other cities as well ..


User currently offlineN770WD From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4016 times:

Eos is not affiliated with MAXjet. Eos still has a ways to go with completing certification (DOT show cause, final manuals, evac, proving runs, etc.) Both Eos and MAXjet are real operations, not paper plans, going after different market segments.

Speaking of which, MAXjet will be operating proving runs next week, including JFK-STN trips. While proving run schedules can be variable depending on scenarios given to the airline, the a/c should be in JFK most of Tuesday (at Terminal One or Hangar 19) and STN (ramp Z) most of Thursday. I can share arrival/departure times if spotters are interested -- contact me directly.


User currently offlineLegendDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 8):
3 seems like a lot just to operate JFK-STN. How many dailies will they run ?

Nothing in there talking about the future, except for saying that the "first 3 aircraft" which leads me to believe that more are on the way. If BA was able to put people in the concorde 2-3 times a day, there is no reason to doubt that you can easily put 4-5 of these flights each way.


User currently offlineTsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 627 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3803 times:

If you look at the management team they've put together...it looks good...a lot of ex CO and DL...it might just work...especially for the high end market....good luck...

User currently offlineElal106 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 975 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3756 times:

any new updates with Primaris? thanks!

User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

I am wondering why there are no mass-market, public-charter type carriers operating US-Europe/UK?
But I guess the world has enough airlines stuffing 250 into a standard 757....

The niche for expanded-service carriers across the Atlantic seems to be getting more than it's fair share of attention lately; but that's just me.



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User currently offlineElagabal From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3687 times:

Quoting FA4B6 (Reply 9):
I wonder why they chose STN and not LGW or LTN. STN seems like an odd LON airport.

STN is quite close to the City of London (our equivalent of Wall Street) and can take full-sized jets. LCY is, as the name suggests, in the city itself (Docklands area, basically), but doesn't accommodate ocean-going craft. LHR is convenient for the western half of town and (I think) is closer as the crow flies, but try getting from LHR to Liverpool Street at rush hour... LGW's further away. Plus, STN's cheaper, less crowded and has far more slots. There's also a business terminal (quite separate from the low-cost shed most of us know...). LTN, imho, is a dump.

Transport options from STN are plentiful, and considering their product, the clientele are probably the type who will have private transport arranged wherever they may happen to land.

JGPH1A: Good call. I like the idea and the name is sweet (Goddess of the Dawn!), but I'll believe it when it happens. There are lots of good alternatives in this market. Concorde left a hole, yes, but is now the time to fill it?

Ladies & gentlemen, place your bets...


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5089 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3572 times:

Oh, it's JUST TOO EASY...

EOS

End Of Story

--Bill


User currently offlineBigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4076 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3540 times:

Wow, nice looking planes!

(listed under "Fall" on the right side) http://nycaviation.com/news.html

http://www.eosairlines.com/images/aircraft_1.gif

That's very exciting news. Can't wait to learn more.



Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

...and they plan on making a profit... how? Will each ticket cost $10,000?? Or is this just some old executives finding a way to get financial backing to stuff their bank accounts then run from the creditors?

User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3292 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

On the graphic that BigPhilNYC posted, the 757 is registered N545US, which is currently assigned to a Northwest Airlines Boeing 757-251. Does this mean they might be purchasing some of their aircraft from NW?


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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4228 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3222 times:

Came across this interesting startup. They are going to run 48 seat 757's from JFK to STN in an attempt to capture the high paying traveller. I see some problems right away so I have my doubts about this carrier.

1. Even though LHR is loathed by most people who fly into it, being the closest big airport to the central business district it is the preffered airport for time sensitive business travellers. That being said, LGW is also a bit closer and has better access than STN. How can an airline attract the big paying customers at STN?

2. The break even factor on a 48 seat 757 has to be pretty high. They will have to do a good job of marketing to make this work, and they lack name recognition right now.

3. I heard they are paying employees like dispatchers more than most of the majors are paying entry level dispatchers. If this is true, won't labor costs be a problem.


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3946 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3248 times:

Quoting N770WD (Reply 10):
Eos is not affiliated with MAXjet. Eos still has a ways to go with completing certification (DOT show cause, final manuals, evac, proving runs, etc.) Both Eos and MAXjet are real operations, not paper plans, going after different market segments.

Speaking of which, MAXjet will be operating proving runs next week, including JFK-STN trips. While proving run schedules can be variable depending on scenarios given to the airline, the a/c should be in JFK most of Tuesday (at Terminal One or Hangar 19) and STN (ramp Z) most of Thursday. I can share arrival/departure times if spotters are interested -- contact me directly.

What happened to Skylink Airways then, with the ex Qantas 762ER's ?

Cheers,

Rob K  Wink


User currently offlineN801DM From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 103 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3094 times:

SkyLink Airways is MaxJet Airways. They changed their name a couple of months ago.

Regards,

N801DM


User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2995 times:

Quoting Boeing757/767 (Thread starter):
Despite the distance from STN to town, this niche might just work.

Yawn. Here we go again. Journey times by train:

Stansted to Liverpool Street (City area) - 43 mins, direct
Gatwick to Bank (City area) - 45 mins, 1 change
Heathrow to Bank (City area) - 47 mins, 2 changes

Figures from tfl.gov.uk

As the City is on the Stansted side of London, it'll be quicker by car as well.

Geoff M.


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