Hannigan From United States, joined Mar 2004, 323 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7287 times:
Looks like a United Express Saab 340 went off of 19L. It's sitting at a 90 degree angle on what looks like the east side of the runway, maybe in the grass, with the main gears collapsed. No fire, but the MWAA fire team has been spraying it with foam for the last 15 minutes. Plane looks to be damaged pretty bad. Hope no one is hurt...
KcrwFlyer From United States, joined May 2004, 2484 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6688 times:
whats going on with these things? ied bet it was from crw...ited be about the 10th time somethings happened to the grear on a turboprop foying crw-iad or vise versa. still.. why the gear collapses, lockups. ect..?
Av8rPHX From United States, joined Mar 2003, 705 posts, RR: 13 Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6621 times:
whats going on with these things? ied bet it was from crw...ited be about the 10th time somethings happened to the grear on a turboprop foying crw-iad or vise versa. still.. why the gear collapses, lockups. ect..?
A commuter plane for United Airlines skidded off the runway at Dulles International Airport while landing late last night, but no one was injured, authorities said.
Flight 7534, from White Plains, N.Y., was taxiing about 9:40 p.m. when it experienced landing-gear problems and skidded into a grassy area, said Tara Hamilton, a spokeswoman for the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority.
The 27 passengers and three crew members deplaned on the grass with the assistance of firefighters, said Jeff Green, a spokesman for United. The plane, a turboprop, was a United Express plane operated by regional airline Shuttle America, he said.
Tornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6357 times:
Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 6): At least S5 was planning to retire these soon (since they now operate E170s).
Replacing 30-some seat Saab 340 Props, with a 70ish seat E-170 Jet. I dont think that E170s will be the direct replacement to Saab 340s. Although given United's financial track record it might make sense that they would do something so uneconomical. If I can ride E-170s between ABE and IAD... I might just switch my flying to UA for the E-170 experience.
Luv2fly From United States, joined May 2003, 11216 posts, RR: 56 Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6337 times:
Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 7): whats going on with these things? ied bet it was from crw...ited be about the 10th time somethings happened to the grear on a turboprop foying crw-iad or vise versa. still.. why the gear collapses, lockups. ect..?
It is not always about your airport!
Quoting Lear35pilot (Reply 9): Flight 7534, from White Plains, N.Y., was taxiing about 9:40 p.m. when it experienced landing-gear problems and skidded into a grassy area, said Tara Hamilton, a spokeswoman for the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority.
KcrwFlyer From United States, joined May 2004, 2484 posts, RR: 9 Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6104 times:
Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 11): Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 7):
whats going on with these things? ied bet it was from crw...ited be about the 10th time somethings happened to the grear on a turboprop foying crw-iad or vise versa. still.. why the gear collapses, lockups. ect..?
It is not always about your airport!
hey man chill! i was just saying because year before last the gear wouldnt come down on a js-41 for landing at iad on a flight from crw. I think there was aonther gear collapse in 04 ( i know something happened at iad with the gear not sure eaxctly.) I know for a fact that in 2004 a saab flying iad-crw Landed and the nosewheel locked up and wouldnt turn. yes i exaggerated, what do you expect from a kid?
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States, joined Jan 2002, 4835 posts, RR: 29 Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6036 times:
No, the Saabs are not being directly replaced by the E170.
Shuttle America is getting E170's to fly in the United Express system, but not on the current Saab routes. This is due to Shuttle America's operating certificate being used to operate the E170's. Republic Holdings owns Shuttle America, Republic Airlines, and Chataquaqua (CHQ) (sp?) Airlines.
CHQ initially operated E170's, but due to a scope clause with AA where CHQ operates as American Connection out of STL, they were not allowed to operate 70 seaters, even for another airline. By doing so, CHQ was paying AA a monthly fine for violating this clause. Thus, in order to avoid this fine, the E170's were going to be moved over to Republic Airlines operating certificate, however Republic was unable to obtain their operating cert. Thus, Republic Holdings purchased Shuttle America for their operating certificate in order to operate E170's for UAX. As part of the transaction, the Saabs would be phased out by end of '05, early '06.
Thus, the current Saab routes out of IAD are uncertain in the future. Its unknown whether United will solicit turboprop flying from another operator - Colgan, Mesa, etc, or replace the turboprop routes with 50 seat RJ's. Thus stations like and routes like IAD - SCE/ABE/AVP/HPN/CHO/ROA/CRW/DAY are up in the air about what the future will bring.
Hannigan From United States, joined Mar 2004, 323 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5413 times:
I saw the fire trucks go out before the plane arrived so I'm assuming a failure. I never saw the plane land but as you can see in the pic, it slid a good distance... the plane was facing due east on a north/south runway...
Tornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5156 times:
Quoting Gigneil (Reply 18): I'd think with ERJ operators now in the UAX stable they could replace some of this with ERJ-135 flying.
Makes sense to me.
DAY, and maybe even CRW I could see... but anywhere else in that list is awfully close to IAD to be running RJ's with any semblance of efficiency... not to mention the ERJ-135 has just about the highest CASM out there because of its size. Isn't the old rule < 300mi a jet is totally inefficient compared to a prop?? Although converting all of that to ERJ 135's is still not as bad as US running ERJ-145's, CRJ-200s, and E-170's at various times from PHL-ABE... with total air time ~ 15 minutes depending on current active runway configurations at the airports.
Lindy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5029 times:
Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 21): US running ERJ-145's, CRJ-200s, and E-170's at various times from PHL-ABE... with total air time ~ 15 minutes depending on current active runway configurations at the airports.
So how come Delta is making money on short runs like ATL-GSP using MD-88, B737-200, CRJ-700?
Total air time is between 15-25 minutes.
how do you know what kind of profit theyre pulling?
Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 21): Quoting Gigneil (Reply 18):
I'd think with ERJ operators now in the UAX stable they could replace some of this with ERJ-135 flying.
Makes sense to me.
DAY, and maybe even CRW I could see... but anywhere else in that list is awfully close to IAD to be running RJ's with any semblance of efficiency... not to mention the ERJ-135 has just about the highest CASM out there because of its size. Isn't the old rule < 300mi a jet is totally inefficient compared to a prop?? Although converting all of that to ERJ 135's is still not as bad as US running ERJ-145's, CRJ-200s, and E-170's at various times from PHL-ABE... with total air time ~ 15 minutes depending on current active runway configurations at the airports.
MikeyCpvd From United States, joined Aug 2003, 162 posts, RR: 2 Reply 25, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3785 times:
Quoting KcrwFlyer (Reply 12): hey man chill!...yes i exaggerated, what do you expect from a kid?
Am I the only one here that found this comment hilarious? That's about the most honest assessment an Anet poster has ever made about him/herself I've seen in my 4+ years here. Way to go KcrwFlyer! Keepin it real.
Some cats think i'm 6 feet, I'm so deep; I can get d-d-down like a pessimist - Common
26 Srbmod: Because they have no competition on the route and can charge an arm and a leg. A ticket RT GSP-ATL is $344. You can get a ticket nearly $100 cheaper
27 Nkops: While it is nice to have high load factors, I for one think the "load factor" statistic is very overrated, it's the yield that matters. However, if D
28 Lindy: I'm connecting to GSP via ATL. I always fly IAD-ATL-GSP and back. With two weeks notice, I never paid more than $250 for RT from IAD. IDE and US are
29 AndrewUber: Can anyone provide a registration # for the Saab that went off the runway?
30 Tornado82: You said it yourself a few posts later why they are running mainline jets/"big" RJ's to GSP... they're going out full, and have Biz class. There's no
31 KcrwFlyer: and if Airtran got funding delta would just get mad and leave....lol and they still have all saabs on longer routes to larger markets. .. loook what
32 Tornado82: What?? Just a little pun on Nittany Lions (The Penn State mascot, PSU is in SCE-aka UNV)... so it's not a profanity when used in terms of cats! I was
33 KcrwFlyer: i thought you were sending negative vibes to them. As theyre the nittany lions and you called them pussycats
37 PSU.DTW.SCE: Make fun of the Nittany Lions all you want, its a known fact our football team has been crap for the past 5 seasons. Kcrw, You must've confused what I
38 KcrwFlyer: look at the flight tracker.. uve got 2 saabs and 2 erj 135's.
39 PSU.DTW.SCE: Well, you got me. Actually that is brand new as of today, and I was unaware of that schedule change for the summer. They certainly didn't make any pub
40 Tornado82: And your basketball too Hell, I went to Valpo, we struggled mightily this year and still easy beat PSU. I just meant it all in good fun though, nothi
41 KcrwFlyer: haha actually ive seen it on there for about a week.
42 Newark777: They have one. I have a photo of it in the queue, getting "priority screening". It's been "currently in screening" for a week now It would probably be
43 Syncmaster: I'd like to know myself. I'm a tad confused why it matters what DL, US, or any other airline charges to fly into GSP in this thread, it's about a Shu
44 AndrewUber: Hey that green stuff came out of my toe last night. (thought that would be just about as relevant to the Saab wreck as the rest of this thread)
45 EMBQA: Can anyone provide a registration # for the Saab that went off the runway? I was told the serial number, don't know the registration number.
46 Syncmaster: You can enter the serial number on the FAA's web site and pull up the registration, it'll be the only SF3 listed. Link: http://162.58.35.241/acdataba
47 Lindy: The registration number was N40SZ. Rafal
48 Syncmaster: Thank you very much Rafal! -Charlie
49 EMBQA: You can enter the serial number on the FAA's web site and pull up the registration I knew the registration number early the next morning. I just could
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Am I the only one here that found this comment hilarious? That's about the most honest assessment an Anet poster has ever made about him/herself I've seen in my 4+ years here. Way to go KcrwFlyer! Keepin it real.
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