Tailscraper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1143 times:
From the Airbus website:Emirates Commits to the A3XX
Emirates has announced its decision to be a launch customer for the A3XX. This decision comes after a thorough evaluation of the aircraft's performance and economics. During a joint press conference today in Dubai, His Highness, Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al-Maktoum, Chairman of Emirates, confirmed that he has officially notified the consortium's Chief Executive Officer Noël Forgeard that Emirates would acquire up to ten A3XXs, of which five would be firm, for deliveries starting in 2006, as soon as the final launch decision is made. The ten aircraft could include two freighters. Emirates is thus the first airline to officially commit to the project.
The A3XX is currently under development at Airbus Industrie. In its initial version, the A3XX-100, will be able to carry 555 passengers in a standard-three class layout over distances up to 7,650 nm/14,150 km. The aircraft is scheduled to make its first flight in 2004 and enter service in the last quarter of 2005.
When announcing Emirates' decision, Sheikh Ahmed highlighted the benefits Emirates would draw from the A3XX. "Emirates has built its success on the quality of its service, offering its passengers the best that is available. The A3XX will provide a host of innovations which will make the journey even more pleasant to the passenger, while offering substantially lower operating costs", said Sheikh Ahmed. "This is why we are very interested in acquiring this all- new aircraft which will help us continue further to improve our service and to ensure our growth".
Based on an entirely new design which will integrate the most advanced technologies, the A3XX-100 will offer 17 per cent lower seat operating costs compared to the 747-400, while providing up to 35 per cent more seats and 350 nm/ 650 km more range. Over the past four years, Airbus Industrie has performed extensive development work, involving concerned parties to a so far unmatched level, with up to 20 major airlines - including Emirates - some 50 airports, as well as numerous suppliers assisting in the definition of the project. This approach ensures that the A3XX will perfectly match carriers' future needs while fitting into the existing operational infrastructures with ease. It also gives the A3XX the potential for an extended and longstanding family.
Mr. Forgeard expressed the consortium's satisfaction at this announcement. "We are extremely honoured that an airline of the standing and development potential of Emirates, which was already a launch customer of the A330-200 and A340-500/600, is now ready to commit to the A3XX", he said. "This is a first very clear endorsement of our work by the market, and it confirms that we are on the right track when seeking the launch of this all-new very large aircraft," he added. "This early commitment and other fruitful on-going discussions give us great confidence that the programme will be a commercial success, and that it will bring value to both customers and shareholders."
Starting 30 years ago with the launch of the first ever widebody twin, the A300, Airbus Industrie set new standards by developing an innovative product range that brought unprecedented benefits to both passengers and operators. The A3XX provides the ultimate complement at the top end of the Airbus aircraft family - a product range which won Airbus Industrie 55 percent of the market in 1999.
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10554 posts, RR: 53 Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1074 times:
I just had a wild idea. Perhaps a plane the size of the 3XX could be profitable if instead of making all the money on transporting people from A to B, they have a sizeable onboard casino. Do you know how much money casinos make (at least in the US, but I figure it's the same everywhere)? An airline could really clean up. Hmm... Maybe MGM Grand airlines will be next?
Avion From Bouvet Island, joined May 1999, 2205 posts, RR: 8 Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1060 times:
Casinos are not allowed on flights to/from the US. Swissair had it for a while but pax didnt want to play. The "Casino" was on the PTV. You could play with other passengers or play with the computer. I liked it very much. I tried it on a flight to bangkok.
Flying-tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4111 posts, RR: 39 Reply 12, posted (13 years 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1046 times:
I think Avion is right. I think Lauda has such a casino system (computer) installed in its 777 but has to shut it down on smoe routes due to restrictions. But considering the idea that countries like the US allow gambling: what about installing a casino on a A3XX flying in the USA, possibly between New York and Las Vegas??? On the other hand, Lauda has some restrictions build in this system (or was it SIA?) so that you´re only allowed to loose a bit of money.
Tailscraper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (13 years 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1042 times:
EK would also encounter restrictions in terms of Shariya law on some of the destinations it flies to in the Middle East: Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Yemen. On these flights, they'd have to close the Casino. The hint at Cargo orders by EK was also of interest. Who do EK contract Cargo to, and if they fly their own freighters, what routes do you envisage?
They'll probably take over the contract routes, and add new freigher routes, perhaps to the US.
Cwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 20 Reply 17, posted (13 years 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 998 times:
Reading the press release, and several stories about Airbus orders over the past few months, is there some reason why Airbus customers always refuse to disclose what they are being charged for the aircraft? US Airways is the most glaring example. Seems to me they are selling most of their aircraft at a loss while surviving off of subsidies from the French government and low (rediculously low) interest loans from the British government. I think this project will end up bankrupting them. It is a great novelty item for some airlines to have, and a way for the Europeans to say they have a bigger plane than the Americans. But, United, an airline that would seem to benefit from such a large aircraft given their route structure and their overcrowded main hub, said there is little or no need for such an aircraft. I fully expect the 747 derivative, which is equivalent in 2 classes to the A3XX-200, to provide better economics and to become the choice for most current 747 operators.
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Prebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6016 posts, RR: 55 Reply 18, posted (13 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 993 times:
We are looking forward to the world's greatest aircraft and all we can imagine is to put is to use as an airborne slot machine.
Avion is very right when asking "who is next?"
The A3XX will be made when the Airbus Consortium convinces it's money lenders that the development costs will be paid back. That may happen when it is pretty sure that a 3-digit number of A3XX's can be put to service over a ten years time frame.
Now this aircraft has been on the blackboard of dreams for ten or fifteen years. Five commitments and five options don't change anything.
If the airlines don't change their attitude to very large planes, then the A3XX may fly no sooner than 22nd century.
Boeing will not sit quietly and look at a market segment which evaporates out of their hands. They can any time combine a stretched 747 fuselage with a scaled up 777 wing with four engines at a fraction of the A3XX development cost in half the time. Everybody knows that - including the Airbus money lenders.
And eveybody knows that Boeing spent 30 years on selling only just over a thousand 747's. With two players in that small market segment one will be a loser. Airbus starts out with a huge disadvantage since they have to start from scratch.
Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10554 posts, RR: 53 Reply 19, posted (13 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 984 times:
All we can think of is having the thing for airborne slots? Well, we all know that no airline will be able to fill the plane enough to make money off this pig. Putting a casino in it would allow it to make good profits. Although, biz travellers probably wouldn't be functional the next day after gambling all night.
This is that whole "New products create new markets" thing that Mirage always promotes. I bet Mirage didn't expect this one.
(Whew! I get to promote my idea and slam the 3XX in the same post! Flame away!)