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Emirates A3XX Announcement  
User currently offlineTailscraper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (14 years 3 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1789 times:

Here's what I've found on the net:

Chairman of Emirates Airlines announced this morning of being the launch customer of A3XX.
Five aircraft for delivery in 2006 and another five option has been considered by Emirates.

I'm now out to look for the Press Releases for the official line. Any comments/surprises?

Cheers,
Alex.


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User currently offlineTailscraper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (14 years 3 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1504 times:

From the Airbus website:Emirates Commits to the A3XX

30-Apr-00
Emirates has announced its decision to be a launch customer for the A3XX. This decision comes after a thorough evaluation of the aircraft's performance and economics. During a joint press conference today in Dubai, His Highness, Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al-Maktoum, Chairman of Emirates, confirmed that he has officially notified the consortium's Chief Executive Officer Noël Forgeard that Emirates would acquire up to ten A3XXs, of which five would be firm, for deliveries starting in 2006, as soon as the final launch decision is made. The ten aircraft could include two freighters. Emirates is thus the first airline to officially commit to the project.

The A3XX is currently under development at Airbus Industrie. In its initial version, the A3XX-100, will be able to carry 555 passengers in a standard-three class layout over distances up to 7,650 nm/14,150 km. The aircraft is scheduled to make its first flight in 2004 and enter service in the last quarter of 2005.

When announcing Emirates' decision, Sheikh Ahmed highlighted the benefits Emirates would draw from the A3XX. "Emirates has built its success on the quality of its service, offering its passengers the best that is available. The A3XX will provide a host of innovations which will make the journey even more pleasant to the passenger, while offering substantially lower operating costs", said Sheikh Ahmed. "This is why we are very interested in acquiring this all- new aircraft which will help us continue further to improve our service and to ensure our growth".

Based on an entirely new design which will integrate the most advanced technologies, the A3XX-100 will offer 17 per cent lower seat operating costs compared to the 747-400, while providing up to 35 per cent more seats and 350 nm/ 650 km more range. Over the past four years, Airbus Industrie has performed extensive development work, involving concerned parties to a so far unmatched level, with up to 20 major airlines - including Emirates - some 50 airports, as well as numerous suppliers assisting in the definition of the project. This approach ensures that the A3XX will perfectly match carriers' future needs while fitting into the existing operational infrastructures with ease. It also gives the A3XX the potential for an extended and longstanding family.

Mr. Forgeard expressed the consortium's satisfaction at this announcement. "We are extremely honoured that an airline of the standing and development potential of Emirates, which was already a launch customer of the A330-200 and A340-500/600, is now ready to commit to the A3XX", he said. "This is a first very clear endorsement of our work by the market, and it confirms that we are on the right track when seeking the launch of this all-new very large aircraft," he added. "This early commitment and other fruitful on-going discussions give us great confidence that the programme will be a commercial success, and that it will bring value to both customers and shareholders."

Starting 30 years ago with the launch of the first ever widebody twin, the A300, Airbus Industrie set new standards by developing an innovative product range that brought unprecedented benefits to both passengers and operators. The A3XX provides the ultimate complement at the top end of the Airbus aircraft family - a product range which won Airbus Industrie 55 percent of the market in 1999.



User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 2, posted (14 years 3 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

  Which airline will be next? 

User currently offlineNicolaki From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 3 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

I wonder why Emirates need this kind of aircraft, i don't think they need THAT much range, maybe I'm wrong ...anyone can tell me?  

Nicolas Bourbillon


User currently offlineTailscraper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 3 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

What I felt was implied by the Chairman, was that they just want to carry many more pax. over the same routes, but in greater luxury. Knowing EK, they'll be fitting in all sorts of jacuzzis etc.

Whether this is safe or desirable (I'd use the jacuzzi for sure), is questionable. Perhaps they plan to cut the A3XX's pax. capacity, replacing some seats with entertainment functions. Who knows??

Cheers,
Alex.


User currently offlineAvion From Bouvet Island, joined May 1999, 2205 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (14 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1475 times:

Yipeee!    Finally a launch customer for the A 350. I'll be on the first revenue service with Emirates.

Avion


User currently offlineWorldTraveller From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 624 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (14 years 3 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1475 times:

That is not a surprise but just a confirmation of what has been rumored over the last weeks.

Good to the progress on that project.

Regards


User currently offlineAvion From Bouvet Island, joined May 1999, 2205 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (14 years 3 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1440 times:

Hopefull they introduce full flat seats in economy.

Avion


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11210 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (14 years 3 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1435 times:

I just had a wild idea. Perhaps a plane the size of the 3XX could be profitable if instead of making all the money on transporting people from A to B, they have a sizeable onboard casino. Do you know how much money casinos make (at least in the US, but I figure it's the same everywhere)? An airline could really clean up. Hmm... Maybe MGM Grand airlines will be next?


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User currently offlineBacardi182 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (14 years 3 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1419 times:

i would get the copyright for that idea as fast as you can! that is one of the best ideas i have heard since the invension of ptv's in buisness class.

User currently offlineAvion From Bouvet Island, joined May 1999, 2205 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (14 years 3 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1421 times:

Casinos are not allowed on flights to/from the US. Swissair had it for a while but pax didnt want to play. The "Casino" was on the PTV. You could play with other passengers or play with the computer. I liked it very much. I tried it on a flight to bangkok.

Avion


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11210 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (14 years 3 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1418 times:

I think a Casino can be operated as soon as the plane (or ship) is in international territory.

There is a very very big difference between playing casino games on a computer (with or without a real payout) versus playing at a real table, with real cards, with a real roulette wheel, etc.

I won't play on a computer. It just ain't any fun. But, I'll go to Vegas or Atlantic City and play all day. (Unless I'm losing.)



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User currently offlineFlying-tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 12, posted (14 years 3 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1407 times:

I think Avion is right. I think Lauda has such a casino system (computer) installed in its 777 but has to shut it down on smoe routes due to restrictions. But considering the idea that countries like the US allow gambling: what about installing a casino on a A3XX flying in the USA, possibly between New York and Las Vegas??? On the other hand, Lauda has some restrictions build in this system (or was it SIA?) so that you´re only allowed to loose a bit of money.

Regards
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User currently offlineTailscraper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (14 years 3 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1403 times:

EK would also encounter restrictions in terms of Shariya law on some of the destinations it flies to in the Middle East: Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Yemen. On these flights, they'd have to close the Casino. The hint at Cargo orders by EK was also of interest. Who do EK contract Cargo to, and if they fly their own freighters, what routes do you envisage?

They'll probably take over the contract routes, and add new freigher routes, perhaps to the US.

Cheers,
Alex.


User currently offlineAvion From Bouvet Island, joined May 1999, 2205 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (14 years 3 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1392 times:

Any guesses what airlines will folluw-up? Cathay?

Avion


User currently offline747sp_rulez From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (14 years 3 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1385 times:

Yep, I would also copyright that great idea....next thing we'll be having "Caesars A3XX"  

I think they should create flying hotels....and tour operators could have world tours....around the world in a few hours in a flying hotel!!!! GREAT!  


User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (14 years 3 months 23 hours ago) and read 1362 times:

Maybe introduce it as a flying cruise ship which stops into various ports of call over a 7-11 day long "cruise".

FLY777UAL

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User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (14 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 1359 times:

Reading the press release, and several stories about Airbus orders over the past few months, is there some reason why Airbus customers always refuse to disclose what they are being charged for the aircraft? US Airways is the most glaring example. Seems to me they are selling most of their aircraft at a loss while surviving off of subsidies from the French government and low (rediculously low) interest loans from the British government. I think this project will end up bankrupting them. It is a great novelty item for some airlines to have, and a way for the Europeans to say they have a bigger plane than the Americans. But, United, an airline that would seem to benefit from such a large aircraft given their route structure and their overcrowded main hub, said there is little or no need for such an aircraft. I fully expect the 747 derivative, which is equivalent in 2 classes to the A3XX-200, to provide better economics and to become the choice for most current 747 operators.


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User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6387 posts, RR: 54
Reply 18, posted (14 years 3 months 21 hours ago) and read 1354 times:

Aw s...
We are looking forward to the world's greatest aircraft and all we can imagine is to put is to use as an airborne slot machine.
Avion is very right when asking "who is next?"
The A3XX will be made when the Airbus Consortium convinces it's money lenders that the development costs will be paid back. That may happen when it is pretty sure that a 3-digit number of A3XX's can be put to service over a ten years time frame.
Now this aircraft has been on the blackboard of dreams for ten or fifteen years. Five commitments and five options don't change anything.
If the airlines don't change their attitude to very large planes, then the A3XX may fly no sooner than 22nd century.
Boeing will not sit quietly and look at a market segment which evaporates out of their hands. They can any time combine a stretched 747 fuselage with a scaled up 777 wing with four engines at a fraction of the A3XX development cost in half the time. Everybody knows that - including the Airbus money lenders.
And eveybody knows that Boeing spent 30 years on selling only just over a thousand 747's. With two players in that small market segment one will be a loser. Airbus starts out with a huge disadvantage since they have to start from scratch.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11210 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (14 years 3 months 21 hours ago) and read 1345 times:

All we can think of is having the thing for airborne slots? Well, we all know that no airline will be able to fill the plane enough to make money off this pig. Putting a casino in it would allow it to make good profits. Although, biz travellers probably wouldn't be functional the next day after gambling all night.

This is that whole "New products create new markets" thing that Mirage always promotes. I bet Mirage didn't expect this one.  

(Whew! I get to promote my idea and slam the 3XX in the same post! Flame away!)



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User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (14 years 3 months 21 hours ago) and read 1350 times:

I don't see why Emirates would order this when they don't even have 747s!

User currently offlineUSAirways737 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (14 years 3 months 21 hours ago) and read 1346 times:

I have been having the same idea of an airborne casino too! but instead of away form their seats it would be where you slide your credit card through the PTV and play from your seat.

User currently offlineUSAirways737 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (14 years 3 months 21 hours ago) and read 1347 times:

I really hope airbus does go with the A3XX because I am a Boeing Fan. (What?!)
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Because the A3XX will surely bancrupt them!



User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11210 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (14 years 3 months 20 hours ago) and read 1334 times:

I'm going to start a new thread and continue this, since it is getting away from the Emirates news. Please join me there!


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User currently offlineTWAneedsHELP From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (14 years 3 months 18 hours ago) and read 1332 times:

NO casino on Emirates, gambling goes against everything Islamic. I mean for god-sakes, Sadi Arabian doesn't even serve alcohol.

25 Avion : Lets meet for the first revenue service. I'll bet it will be Dubai- London. Count me in! Avion
26 Hamlet69 : Actually, I'm willing to bet Emirates won't be the first operator of this plane. If you read the press release, it says deliveries are in the 2006-200
27 Tailscraper : As explained above, Emirates and the UAE do not abide by Shariya law. As such, gambling on most of Emirates' services, plus the provision of alcohol w
28 Prebennorholm : USAirways737 wrote: "I really hope airbus does go with the A3XX because I am a Boeing Fan. (What?!) Because the A3XX will surely bancrupt them!" Don't
29 FEDERICO : I also read that in the next ten years Emirates will expand it's network with direct flight to North America and Australia and later to Japan and Sout
30 Post contains images 747sp_rulez : I bet that Japanese carriers would find the A3XX very useful, if one looks at their 747 numbers! I mean, they would create all economy A3XX planes, th
31 Post contains images Tailscraper : Hi Federico, Did hear rumours about serving North America, but not South. If they did, then yes, I guess Brazil would be first choice. But I'd say EZE
32 Post contains images Federico : I know what you mean it just as bad in the US one time one guy asked me when I told him that I was from Argentina where that was...NEAR SPAIN? Ignoran
33 Avion : It seems that all get the same experience in the US! One guy asked me where i'm from. I said Switzerland and he said "You have a nice royal familiy".
34 Prebennorholm : Avion, you do have a nice royal family in Switzerland, don't you? If I remember well, then the King of Romania lives in Switzerland. Besides that ever
35 Post contains images Jubilee777 : What about the airports?? Are they capable of handling the A3XX, like Sydney or LHR ??? Interesting pic for all... Regards J777
36 Post contains links Jubilee777 : That picture was taken from Business Times Singapore and...i don't think it will last long... http://business-times.asia1.com.sg J777
37 ZRH : As you mentioned the ground facilities (airports) will be a problem. Most airports do not have enough room for aircrafts with this wing-span. Already
38 VH-BZF : The Australian financial Review stated that the A3XX that Emirates, Cathay & Singapore have launched will be able to operate form current B747-400 cap
39 747sp_rulez : I read in the magazine Airways in their feature on Inchon Airport which is to be completed soon that about 3 or so gates have been made for the A3XX's
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