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CO EWR-HAM Service Begins Today.  
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21515 posts, RR: 60
Posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5351 times:

CO74 will land HAM morning of 6/10 for first time. 752 with winglets, came into EWR from LAX today, departing EWR soon for HAM, if previous thread re: winglets is still accurate. Any spotters planning to take pics?


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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5321 times:

It's a winglet-equipped plane too? Dammit, and I am stuck at work when it is here  banghead . I gotta find a way to get to the airport tomorrow.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21515 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5299 times:

Not sure (as I don't have access to that information), but this thread indicated it would be.

For Those Who Must See A 757 W/Winglets.. (by IAHcsr Jun 2 2005 in Civil Aviation)

looks like it's turning right around at EWR and back to HAM tomorrow too.



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User currently offlinePITA333 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 391 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5288 times:

Thats great news! I love an ad I saw when I was in terminal C at EWR that said "Continental Airlines: Hamburg Helper", promoting the serivce.

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5268 times:

Excellent Big grin . In that cas I might try to hit the plane on Saturday. Btw, this is the first nonstop flight to the US in over 6 years, ever since DL pulled HAM-ATL in February 1999.

User currently offlineXkorpyoh From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5253 times:

I am still amazed that a 752 can fly for almost 9 hours. the return from HAM is 8:40.
I never thought that the 757s had that range.
Are those 757s using a different engine or additional fuel tanks?


All they need is to add is PTV to make this trip more bearable.

[Edited 2005-06-09 23:34:15]

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21515 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5227 times:

I'm on the return flight (CO75) on August 2. I sure hope it can go that far!  

And my guess is the flight time is 8:00, with 20 minutes on each end for taxiing, etc.

[Edited 2005-06-09 23:40:10]


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21515 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5213 times:

Quoting Xkorpyoh (Reply 5):
All they need is to add is PTV to make this trip more bearable.

CO employees on this site have indicated equipping 752BF planes with PTVs in economy is a high priority. They also need power ports! You listening CO? how can they not have powerports on such a long flight?

I'm in the BF cabin on CO75, and they do have PTVs, though with fewer channels than the 767/777 system. As long as they have one good movie and some CSI, I'll be happy enough.



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User currently offlinePaulianer From Germany, joined Jul 2002, 875 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5002 times:

Just came back from the airport...

N67134 landed 7:35 a.m. on runway 23, took off again 9:25 a.m. on runway 33... I tool a lots of pics, but I'm right now in the office, so no chance for an upload, sorry...

Strange thing, they gave the water cannon salute for the outbound flight, isn't it usually the other way around?

The weather was not that nice, but felt good to watch the inaugural flight... Hope for good weather tomorrow so that I can get her in some nicer light...

Cheers from Hamburg
Tobi



Tobias Rose - Hamburg (HAM/EDDH) & (XFW/EDHI) - Canon EOS D60 - ICQ: 235621277 - MSN: Tobias.Rose@gmx.de
User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4984 times:

Quoting Paulianer (Reply 8):
Strange thing, they gave the water cannon salute for the outbound flight, isn't it usually the other way around?

It usually is. But our airport has always been different  Wink . Looking forward to the pics.


User currently offlineTailfin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4883 times:

http://www.airliners.de/community/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23995

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4871 times:

Quoting Xkorpyoh (Reply 5):
I am still amazed that a 752 can fly for almost 9 hours. the return from HAM is 8:40.
I never thought that the 757s had that range.
Are those 757s using a different engine or additional fuel tanks?


All they need is to add is PTV to make this trip more bearable.

[Edited 2005-06-09 23:34:15]

The 752 has more range than most of us realize - LADECO used 752s on the MIA-SCL route for years which is even longer than most transatlantic services...CO does have rather advanced 757-200s, which are ETOPS and the Hamburg route is using winglet equipped aircraft, which adds a few hundred miles in range, but otherwise the CO 757s are standard build aircraft.

No PTVS in Y, PTVs are installed in the BF cabin.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
I'm on the return flight (CO75) on August 2. I sure hope it can go that far!

And my guess is the flight time is 8:00, with 20 minutes on each end for taxiing, etc.

[Edited 2005-06-09 23:40:10]

Yes, about 8 hours will be the flying time, CO pads the flight times due to congestion and ground time at EWR. I flew one BRU-EWR segment with a 757 (this was about 3 years ago during the period that CO was using the 757 on BRU-EWR) and due to winds, we were in the air 9 hours 15 minutes. A very long flight.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):

CO employees on this site have indicated equipping 752BF planes with PTVs in economy is a high priority. They also need power ports! You listening CO? how can they not have powerports on such a long flight?

I'm in the BF cabin on CO75, and they do have PTVs, though with fewer channels than the 767/777 system. As long as they have one good movie and some CSI, I'll be happy enough.

Powerports are coming. An AVOD PTV system is being studied, it costs lots of money so time will tell if it actually happens for the 752. Lets just say its a definite maybe at the time being.

Do get ready for 3 espisodes of CSI (one each of CSI, CSI-Miami,CSI-NY) plus 3 episodes of the Practice - both channels are on the 757 BF system as well as all 767/777 flights.


User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4827 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 11):
The 752 has more range than most of us realize - LADECO used 752s on the MIA-SCL

2 thoughts about it:
- Flying north-south is less prone to punishing headwinds
- It is also possible to "buy" some range by applying load-restrictions

Btw: Whats the distance MIA - SCL
-HT

EDIT EDIT: Just made a quick and rater rough calculation using the map on my office wall: MIA - SCL approx 6500 km / 4040 mi / 3510 nm ?

[Edited 2005-06-10 14:58:53]


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User currently offlineXkorpyoh From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4766 times:

Quoting HT (Reply 12):
Btw: Whats the distance MIA - SCL
-HT

EDIT EDIT: Just made a quick and rater rough calculation using the map on my office wall: MIA - SCL approx 6500 km / 4040 mi / 3510 nm

I get 4138 miles, 8:25 hrs, MIA-SCL
3806 miles, 8:40 hrs, HAM-EWR


User currently offlineXkorpyoh From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4752 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 11):
The 752 has more range than most of us realize - LADECO used 752s on the MIA-SCL route for years which is even longer than most transatlantic services...CO does have rather advanced 757-200s, which are ETOPS and the Hamburg route is using winglet equipped aircraft, which adds a few hundred miles in range, but otherwise the CO 757s are standard build aircraft

It is hard to believe that such a capable plane is no longer in production. It seems it has been resurrected now with new uses, but is impossible to get new ones. It guess the market value of the used 757s has increased.


User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4666 times:

It is shocking a major media, industrial, and port hub city has lacked NY service for so long.

What kind of facility is HAM?


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

Quoting N77014 (Reply 15):
What kind of facility is HAM?

HAM is a very modern facility and has the newest terminal in Germany. To give a short summary, we have 2 terminals (opened in 1994 and 2005, respectively), with a pier directly adjacent to them, with a total of 17 jetways. We offer 10,000 car parking positions, including 2,200 on the newly-opened rotunda. The airport is still set to receive another 2,000 by later this year, a train connection to downtown in 2007, an airside shopping mall and a new airport hotel. Airside-wise, we have two crossing runways (05/33 and 15/33) and some 40 apron parking positions, with many of them only for regional planes though. Besides CO, we only recently finally got a link to Canada again, with Air Transat operating a weekly A310 flight to YYZ, and EK is set to come to HAM in october, providing they have enough planes. More info about HAM can be found here:
http://www.ham.airport.de/index_en.phtml


User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4640 times:

With CO having the monoploy route to the USA, will HAM officials court AA/DL for ORD/JFK service? Is there a market for more north atlantic flying?

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4619 times:

Quoting N77014 (Reply 17):
With CO having the monoploy route to the USA, will HAM officials court AA/DL for ORD/JFK service? Is there a market for more north atlantic flying?

Doubt they would try to get AA/DL to restart flights to HAM, given their success in getting CO to HAM. Even if they tried to persuade those airlines, it is doubtful either one would come to Hamburg again. AA used to operate a flight to ORD over a decade ago, which I believe didn't last very well to beging with, and AA has traditionally a bit held back when it comes to flying to Germany, with service solely to FRA.
About DL, you can be assured that HAM officials tried to get the airline back that at a time provided them with service to both JFK and ATL, and later only ATL. But if Delta saw that a market was there, they would have relaunched HAM service years ago, which they haven't. Last time DL flew to HAM, loads were average in coach, but Business was empty. Especially towards the end of service, loads were deteriorating. I remember a flight back from ATL on January 4th, at the end of the christmas holiday, when flights are usually full with families returning in time to get their kids back to school. Coach only had 90 seats filled out of 147 (at most), and in the 48 seats in BusinessElite, there were maybe 10 people besides us. Not really a profitable flight. So, even if DL has reduced BusinessElite by 12 seats, it is still doubtful DL could manage to profitably operate a flight to ATL again. No JFK, as NYC is well-enough covered by the new CO flight.


User currently offlineFLAIRPORT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4549 times:

Quoting Xkorpyoh (Reply 14):
It is hard to believe that such a capable plane is no longer in production. It seems it has been resurrected now with new uses, but is impossible to get new ones. It guess the market value of the used 757s has increased.

I don't know why it stopped...it was and still is a high demand aircraft...I mean look at what CO is doing, look at US's uses for its 757s and look at song! I wish the 3 of them would all meet up with Boeing and get the program started again... The good news for CO is they can use the 787 for the same purpose...but in reality, there is no other plane like the 757 around.


User currently offlinePaulianer From Germany, joined Jul 2002, 875 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4530 times:

Hi guys,

here are two of many photos I took in the morning, 1 from inbound, 1 from the outbound flight...

Enjoy, as long as they are in the a.net queue Big grin

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../N67134_HAM_20050610_TR_3618_1.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b.../N67134_HAM_20050610_TR_3658_1.jpg

Cheers
Tobi



Tobias Rose - Hamburg (HAM/EDDH) & (XFW/EDHI) - Canon EOS D60 - ICQ: 235621277 - MSN: Tobias.Rose@gmx.de
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21515 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4437 times:

Quoting FLAIRPORT (Reply 19):
I don't know why it stopped...it was and still is a high demand aircraft...

they nearly ZERO orders, and they likely asked around and didn't see many coming.

My guess is between the 783 and the new 739x, it made little sense even if orders might trickle in.

With 1050 757s built, there are lots out there, but to really sell the idea of a 783 and a 739x, you need to create artificial scarcity of existing options.

In addition, airlines that use 752s and 73x models would easily be able to bring 739x models into the fleet for domestic duty and move their 752 to international and altitude duty where it would remain financially viable, while the new plane would be better on fuel for shorter more frequent flights.

And the 753 makes little sense in a world of the 783. It made little sense to most carriers anyway (hard to load, not great range or cargo). But the 753 is a great tourist/charter style aircraft.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21515 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4441 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 16):
HAM is a very modern facility and has the newest terminal in Germany.

Great to know!

If I need to catch that CO flight, and I am staying at the Radisson SAS hotel, how do I get there and when should I leave the hotel? I'm traveling alone, and will be flying BusinessFirst which may get me through security and check-in faster.

What should I expect in terms of wait?

And what shouldn't I miss in Hamburg (the city) when I am there?



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4412 times:

If you're staying at the Radisson, you have two option to go to the airport.
Option 1 would be a cab ride, which would cost some €25, and can take up to 40 minutes, depending on traffic on the streets
Option 2 would be going by train from Dammtor station nearby and take the S1 to Poppenbüttel. At Ohlsdorf, you'd have to take Bus line 110 to the airport. Price would be some €5-7. Time would be roughly 40 minutes as well. Subway would be a bit faster, but at that early time it is usually too packed.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 22):
What should I expect in terms of wait?

Trains run every 5-10 minutes usually. Cabs can be found a plenty in front of Dammtor station, just 3 minutes from the Radisson.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 22):
And what shouldn't I miss in Hamburg (the city) when I am there?

There's alot of thinks.
First, there is of course a visit to the port, which should include a boat tour, as well as to the "Harbor City", the newest district of Hamburg.
Then there are the old churches, especially the "Michel", as well as the city hall. The downtown area is a must visit in total, and you should also go to the "Alster".
Then there's also Airbus on the other side of the river  Wink .
Other things that would be worth a visit is the Color Line Arena and the AOL Arena, our "Stadtpark" (a scaled down version of teh Central Park Big grin ).


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21515 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4403 times:

Thanks. With luggage, sounds like a taxi will be a good idea and not very expensive as airport taxis go. Most other cities you pay twice that much to 5 times that much to get to an airport 40 min away.

If my flight is 9:15am and I am business class, I assume boarding would start around 8:30am, so what's a safe arrival time at the airport at that time of day to clear security and such? (check-in should be quick at CO for business first). Is 1/2 hour enough time to get through security? If I leave at 7:00am from the hotel, would that seem safe?

Thanks



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25 Intothinair : Great that CO is now flying to HAM as well!!! I just hope that CO will start IAH-FRA service soon, though that's a different topic. Great pics. Tobi L
26 DAL767400ER : That should be enough. The CO flight is departing at a rather quite time, after the early-morning exodus of charter carriers and Lufthansa. Plus, the
27 Post contains images BREmer : Great to see a new transatlantic connection from Northern Germany again. My best wishes to HAM and CO! Lukas
28 N1120A : Nope, they are standard, though CO has high thrust RB211s and a very healthy MTOW
29 Post contains images Ikramerica : thanks. these are the kind of things no airline will tell you.
30 Paulianer : One question for one of the US guys... Anyone know why CO74 EWR-HAM had so much time delay the last two days? Is there anything going on at EWR that t
31 DouglasDC10 : Just for info: The water cannon salute took place on the outbound flight as they didn't want a wet aircraft for press photos and all the VIPs.
32 Toxtethogrady : "I just hope that CO will start IAH-FRA service soon, though that's a different topic." It would be nice, but CO doesn't have the airplanes. LH's mono
33 RAMPRAT980 : There were heavy thunderstorms at EWR on the 11th(SATURDAY). Very few planes took off from 5:55pm until almost 6:45pm.
34 Post contains images Elagabal : Check out the Kunsthalle - fantastic modern art museum. And ask people if Rote Flora is still the place to go - haven't been in a couple of years but
35 DAL767400ER : I don't know how long you haven't been in Hamburg, but the Schanze is a district to be avoided at all costs. You have lots of Albanian people there,
36 StarFlyer : OT:How long have you not been in the Schanze? IMO it's one of the most interesting and diverse districts in Hamburg and should be on every visitors a
37 DAL767400ER : Roughly a week or so. They have great bars, so what? There other districts that also offer great bars and restaurants (City, Bahrenfeld, St. Pauli, e
38 TIALVfreak : I do not appreciate that remark, DAL767. It is very stereotypical and racist. If you have something against Albanians, keep it to yourself.
39 DAL767400ER : As long as you do not experience it yourself, don't go around calling others racist. Regardless of what you think, Albanians have a dark history when
40 UN_B732 : He said "Criminal South Europeans". He didn't imply all South Europeans were bad, merely that the ones that settled in those neighborhoods were "crimi
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