Wimpycol From Netherlands, joined Aug 2001, 484 posts, RR: 7 Posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1728 times:
Here a (very) short Colombian aviation update
The 3rd ERJ for Satena will arrive on June 21;
Tampa is looking forward for 3 more B767's;
Avianca will bring 12 more MDs , 3 more 757 and will keep 4 F-50 in addition to the F-100's.
Iberia also offers flights between Madrid and Cali on codeshare with AV
Saludos
Willem Alberto
Colombia... can't wait to be there again!!!!!!!!!!
JUANR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1706 times:
Hi Willem, just to add a short notice to your post: National Government wants Satena to fly non-stop from BOG to Providencia. First flight was last Saturday, operated on a D328.
Also, it looks like WCA will not make it, they still are not able to get on the air again the way they did before this crisis with cash money.
Quoting Wimpycol (Thread starter): Iberia also offers flights between Madrid and Cali on codeshare with AV
I would say that it is AV who offers CLO-MAD route in codeshare with IB, since the flight will be operated by AV762. BTW, this flight starts in BOG so it is actually BOG-CLO-MAD-CLO-BOG.
Bongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1853 posts, RR: 6 Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1650 times:
Quoting Bogota (Reply 1): Do you know what kind of MD?
More MD-83 to keep the same type of MD's.
BTW, so in the near future what will be the total of AV airplanes (MD83, F50, F100, B757, B767) ? Around 50 ?
MDE: First airport in the Americas visited by the A380!
Wimpycol From Netherlands, joined Aug 2001, 484 posts, RR: 7 Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1616 times:
Quoting Bogota (Reply 1): Do you know what kind of MD? or where AV is getting them from?
Yes this will be the same MD-83's again.
About the numbers....12 this is kind of rumor but, I got it from inside AV.
But as always... first see them fly and then we can believe it !
Quoting Bongo (Reply 3): More MD-83 to keep the same type of MD's.
BTW, so in the near future what will be the total of AV airplanes (MD83, F50, F100, B757, B767) ? Around 50 ?
Yes, and if the will expand in Europe..(London I really hope) they could add some more B767's
Regards
Willem Alberto
the Flying Dutchman
Colombia... can't wait to be there again!!!!!!!!!!
Blsbls99 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 345 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1604 times:
Seems like those Jetsgo MD-83's might find a home with Avianca?
RICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2326 posts, RR: 34 Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1601 times:
Question:
What would be the purpose of more MDs? I understand why the 757s and 767s, for the international expansion, but would the MD's serve the same purpose?
RCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4006 posts, RR: 15 Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1585 times:
Quoting Blsbls99 (Reply 5): Seems like those Jetsgo MD-83's might find a home with Avianca?
No, the 2 MDs AV has taken this year are ex-Reno Air/AA.
Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 6): What would be the purpose of more MDs? I understand why the 757s and 767s, for the international expansion, but would the MD's serve the same purpose?
They are to increase frecuency on domestic and neighboring countries routes
(I.E. CCS will go to 4x daily, MDE to 13x daily and CLO also to 13x daily after one of the planes is received)
SOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2486 posts, RR: 17 Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1576 times:
Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 7): CCS will go to 4x daily, MDE to 13x daily and CLO also to 13x daily
Shuttle services BOG-MDE and BOG-CLO have been served with 12/13 daily flights many months now.
In the short-term, however, AV will increase its successful BOG-MDE shuttle to the impressive amount of 15 daily flights [a bit less on weekends]; consolidating MDE as their second most important station in the network.
The schedules, which are now opened for booking, are:
15 flights a day. It's even funny, check out the time difference between flights MM8514 and AV9318. The schedules of the return leg, MDE-BOG, are pretty similar.
Legacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 33 Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1493 times:
I am very happy to realize this evolution in Colombian air traffic, specially with Avianca. For me aviation of a country is always a direct indicator of the economics and the overall standard in a country. I could realize that most of the times it works pretty well this way.
Colombia has a very well developed domestic air transport system that does not to shy any comparison with an European country. I could meet many professionals there and was quite impressed. I am happy to see that it grows and I am sure, the whole country will feel benefits of it as well.
SOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2486 posts, RR: 17 Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1483 times:
Quoting Legacy135 (Reply 10): Colombia has a very well developed domestic air transport system that does not to shy any comparison with an European country.
I completely agree.
AV provides an impecable, efficient, affordable and easy-going domestic service with multiple daily frequencies to many destinations in the country. With its dinamic, recently-introduced fare structure, the company can now cater for all types of travellers, from business high-yielding ones down to clients who look for the cheapest fares available in the market, all in intra-Colombia flights.
E-ticket has turned out to be quite a success as well, and is thoroughly used for easy domestic travelling. Their VIP rooms in national airports, I understand, offer quite a nice environment as well, though I can only speak for MDE's domestic VIP room, which left a very nice impression on me, as well as their in-flight product on domestic Business Class.
In all, as much as I'm a critic of AV's domestic-international connection system in BOG [which has been significantly improved in timing and efficiency], I cannot say a bad word about AV's domestic service, both onboard and on the ground.
If we add to AV's domestic system, all the other regional/domestic scheduled airlines which offer their best product as well, I believe we should indeed feel extremely satisfied with our domestic trasportation system.
SOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2486 posts, RR: 17 Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1449 times:
Quoting Airplane (Reply 13): SOUTHAMERICA, with all do respect, reading you posts is like reading a magazine. I can finish two coffees and still half way through.
The critical thing for you is, they're not likely to change. Anyway, the positive comments received have been inversely proportional to lenght of your posts, so I gladly invite you to skip mine next time.
Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 12): Well, AV's VIP in BOG is very good too. On the international concourse overlooking the platform, excellent service and amenities.
Airplane From Ecuador, joined Sep 2004, 247 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1431 times:
Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 14): The critical thing for you is, they're not likely to change. Anyway, the positive comments received have been inversely proportional to lenght of your posts, so I gladly invite you to skip mine next time.
Easy there tiger,
Its a joke......you know.....ja, ja, ja
Yes, and since December 2004, there is also de Colombia VIP Room, which by purchasing a membership (annually or for 10 or 20 trips) any person from any airline can enjoy.
It is located on the El Dorado (main) terminal and it has wireless Internet WI-fi, tele-conference service, Business Center, printers, fax, Xerox copiers, scanner, flight information, cable TV, good choice of hot and cold beverages and snacks , massage chairs, shoe shine machines and bilingual representatives.
SOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2486 posts, RR: 17 Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1355 times:
Quoting Airplane (Reply 13): So what's with all those BOG MDE flights?
Seriously though, BOG-MDE-BOG has always been the leader domestic route in Colombia for years, both in terms of total number of flights offered, and in passengers transported, always well ahead of the second most active market BOG-CLO-BOG.
In 2003, BOG-MDE-BOG was the only national market which registered more than 1 million passengers trasported.
Currently, Avianca offers 15 daily flights, AeroRepublica another 8 dailies, and SATENA 3 or 4 more.
Until very recently West also flew its own 3 or 4 dailies in the MDE-BOG route, though given its current financial state, the company is no longer operating.
Pzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1379 posts, RR: 18 Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1262 times:
With those CLO-MAD flights there are 3 cities with nonstop service to Spain. BOG (AV, IB), CLO (AV) and CTG (IB). Am I missing any?
Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 18): In 2003, BOG-MDE-BOG was the only national market which registered more than 1 million passengers trasported.
Currently, Avianca offers 15 daily flights, AeroRepublica another 8 dailies, and SATENA 3 or 4 more.
BOG-MDE over 1 million pax???? With only 27 daily flights???? I guess most of them are in narrow bodies, so it means all airlines have very good loads on them.
Being MDE the second economic and trade centre of Colombia, and the first air pair in the country, how come they do not have a direct link to MAD instead of CLO or CTG (though CTG is quite obvious is responding to tourism activity)
RCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4006 posts, RR: 15 Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1258 times:
Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 21): With those CLO-MAD flights there are 3 cities with nonstop service to Spain. BOG (AV, IB), CLO (AV) and CTG (IB). Am I missing any?
BOG also has Air Madrid (2xw) and Air Plus Comet (3xw) Air Plus has the only scheduled pax 747 service to Colombia.
CTG-MAD is not operated by IB, it is operated by Air Madrid scheduled and AV charters.
Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 21): Being MDE the second economic and trade centre of Colombia, and the first air pair in the country, how come they do not have a direct link to MAD instead of CLO or CTG (though CTG is quite obvious is responding to tourism activity)
CTG, for tourism, CLO, O/D. guess theres not much demand from MDE to Europe.
CLO had 6.77% more traffic than MDE for that month, with more or less the same result for April 2004, so the BOG-MDE-BOG is not always far ahead of the BOG-CLO-BOG, a route that even has better numbers.
The BOG-CUC-BOG is the route with the best factors with 73.42% (Troncales)
Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 21): I guess most of them are in narrow bodies, so it means all airlines have very good loads on them.
Yes. As I understand, from local AV staff, early morning flights on weekdays usually go out full, as well as early afternoon services. On weekends, the evening flights are the most popular.
Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 21): Being MDE the second economic and trade centre of Colombia, and the first air pair in the country, how come they do not have a direct link to MAD instead of CLO or CTG (though CTG is quite obvious is responding to tourism activity)
MDE has nowhere near the O&D traffic to MAD that CLO has. AV publicly announced quite a while ago that the best feeders for its BOG-MAD service were Cali and Pereira [and the coffee region as a whole]. I doubt this situation has changed. MDE has been considerably stronger to MIA and JFK.
Quoting Juanr (Reply 23): CLO had 6.77% more traffic than MDE for that month, with more or less the same result for April 2004, so the BOG-MDE-BOG is not always far ahead of the BOG-CLO-BOG, a route that even has better numbers.
Those numbers are fantastic for both routes, given that April is one of the slowest travelling periods in the year, within Colombia.
Still, if you see it globally BOG-MDE-BOG has indeed been ahead of BOG-CLO-BOG always. I simply wouldn't have said it if I the numbers proved the contrary; but they don't:
BOG-MDE-BOG: 1.089.859 passengers [first route in Colombia aviation history to reach 1 million passengers, as I said previously] BOG-CLO-BOG: 930.4450 [decreased considerably compared to 2002]
Year 2004
BOG-MDE-BOG: 1.176.374 passengers BOG-CLO-BOG: 1.017.355 [not even close to what BOG-MDE-BOG made the year before]
SOUTHAMERICA
25 SoAmSky: Is west Caribbean dead already? Didn't they just recently change livery and all that? what a pity! Regards
26 SOUTHAMERICA: Indeed. They're not officially dead, but have serious financial problems. Last I heard the authorities gave them six months to voluntarily present a
27 Komododx: Hello Colombianos, I just wanted to know if anyone can tell me if I will have the honor of flying on AV's freshly painted MD on Sunday June 19th on th
28 JUANR: Yes Komododx, there is a thread about the FAC0001 on the military and space forum, it was supposed to arrive to BOG on June 5th but no news yet... Jua
29 757MDE: There is demand from MDE to Europe, but sadly not enough to warrant a service. CLO has way more demand to MAD. Just remember the complete flight (if
30 Pzurita1: SOUTHAMERICA, I think they are quite close. I mean, it is only a difference of 7%. Truth is both routes are very dense, especially for such a short h
31 SOUTHAMERICA: I completely agree with you, both are high-density routes. Those numbers I showed are basically worth nothing, it is just interesting to see that Med
32 Luisde8cd: Hey guys, How's everything in the other side of the Arauca? I wanna ask you guys if you know how's Conviasa doing in BOG... any pics? how are their co
33 SOUTHAMERICA: Why FLL and not MIA Luis? DL codeshares with AV on most of its flights from Colombia to the US. SOUTHAMERICA
34 JUANR: Colombian 10 Most Active International Routes: 1. BOG-MIA 2. BOG-CCS 3. BOG-MAD 4. BOG-UIO 5. BOG-LIM 6. BOG-NYC 7. BOG-PAR 8. MDE-MIA 9. CLO-MIA 10.
35 Luisde8cd: Price. Flying to FLL is cheaper than flying to MIA. I'm still trying to decide between AV and VH. VH offers a week long free car rental in Miami and
36 Pzurita1: Juanr, do you have figures of those routes? PZ
37 SOUTHAMERICA: Yes. I forgot to mention to the US, specifically, which is what I meant. ...seeing at those numbers, however, it's pretty strange to see BOG-CDG abov
38 SOUTHAMERICA: Most [if not all] of the numbers and data posted here are taken from http://www.aerocivil.gov.co/. The page is not the most user-friendly, but if you
39 Pzurita1: SOUTHAMERICA, Thanx! That is precisely why I asked. Because I know that in aeronautica civil have those routes listed, but there are no figures. So I
40 Legacy135: Are you sure the rental car they give to you for free does include all the insurances you should have to be covered? Those are actually most of the t
41 SOUTHAMERICA: That's new to me. As I said, all the figures I've used were taken directly from there, same for Juanr [at least that's what he's said most of the tim
42 JUANR: The figures are there at Aerocivil webpage, unfortunately it is not easy to link from there, I don't know why they have not been able to design a bett
43 Bogota: Not really if you realize that Buenos Aires has around 50 % of the Argentinian population, and I assume most of the economic concentration. In Colomb
44 RCS763AV: Yea i was saying that..........why did you quote me? AF has reported to have VERY good loads on BOG-CDG, i think it was something around 84%. Maybe t
45 SOUTHAMERICA: It still doesn't make much sense. Offer in BOG-CDG is around 1890 weekly seats. Offer in CLO/MDE-MIA has been around 2380 seats, and will be of 3740/
46 JUANR: Best Load Factors for the month of April 2005 (International Routes) 1. BAQ-MIA-BAQ 82,69% 2. BOG-NYC-BOG 76,83% 3. MDE-PTY-MDE 76,82% 4. BOG-LIM-BOG
47 SOUTHAMERICA: And fortunately these airlines are not managed by you. It is well-known that MDE/CLO-MIA are slow performers off-season, they have always been, and,
48 JUANR: Yes fortunately because I'm not an airline manager and will never pretend to be one, however it is clear that at least AA, whose load factor is only 5
49 SOUTHAMERICA: One thing is true, loads never equal profits, much less on high-yielding routes such as Colombia-Miami. You have absolutely no data to state that AA
50 SOUTHAMERICA: You meant CTG-MAD. The explanation remains the same. Very little amount of flights compared to reasonable demand. SOUTHAMERICA
51 JUANR: I expected so more from you this time Southamerica, still you are not able to answer the main question here, why routes like BOG-NYC, BOG-LIM, BOG-HOU
52 SOUTHAMERICA: I believe that throughout the thread I've been clear enough in my points. You know, that apart from having 4 times the population of MDE and CLO, BOG
54 Komododx: SRZ is Santa Cruz, Bolivia. But I think he meant VVI. Stefano
55 JUANR: Completely wrong, statistics show that CLO-MIA has a lower load factor because in this route airlines offer more seats than they offer on the MDE-MIA
56 SOUTHAMERICA: What a vulgar lie. MDE-MIA: AV 757-200 daily. AA 757-200 daily. CLO-MIA: AV 757-200 daily. AA 757-200 daily. The additional AA frequencies have been
57 JUANR: Another update, CO is now flying the BOG-EWR route with their B737-700 with winglets plane, no more B757 and no more BOG-UIO-BOG legs. Juan SKBO
58 Bogota: Yes I was expecting somebody from EWR and saw the 737 with winglets. I was also so surprised by the many planes that have to spend the night now in BO
59 SOUTHAMERICA: You are definitely hopeless. You said: ...The month of April statistics showed that more pax used the CLO-MIA than MDE-MIA... Number of passengers in
60 Horus: Not really related but a Colombian woman became the first female pilot to join the UAE's Air Arabia... http://www.zawya.com/Story.cfm?story...5DC642A-
61 SOUTHAMERICA: Old news. Schedules were changed since the beginning of this year, and the 73G has been operating since June 09. Has been discussed many times. SOUTH
62 JUANR: Yes, you are right, I'm sorry, the route in which CLO has better results than MDE is to BOG, not to MIA, being BOG-CLO-BOG above BOG-MDE-BOG by more
63 RICARIZA: Pretty cool news Horus.. Thanks!! If she was an Aces pilot, she must be good.
64 SOUTHAMERICA: You also lied, and were factually wrong when you said:
65 JUANR: First of all, I didn't lie, I was mistaken and I recognized my mistake, something that you will never learn to do. Second, just check out chart 2.3B w
66 SOUTHAMERICA: Indeed, the thing you are missing is that from the beginning, I was discussing MDE as the second best station for AV. And look at the same chart, the
67 757MDE: So cool! specially being a woman in an Islamic country. Basically because I wanted to, I was supporting your point, what's the problem with that? are
68 Horus: I thought it was interesting too. Sorry I'm not sure who Aces are, are they a good airline? You seem to be quite uninformed on 'Islamic countries'. M
69 RICARIZA: Yes, ACES Airlines was a small airline who grew to be the second of Colombia after AV, because of its magnificent service and became the favorite by
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