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Mesaba Incident  
User currently offlineNwaca From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 22 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2661 times:

Has anyone heard anything regarding an accident with Mesaba earlier today?

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User currently offlinePremobrimo From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2558 times:

Yes, it was a Mesaba Avro that was spraying hydrolic fluid on passengers in the cabin. It was on a flight from MEM to OKC.


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User currently offlineKDTWFlyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 830 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2401 times:

Quoting Premobrimo (Reply 1):
Yes, it was a Mesaba Avro that was spraying hydrolic fluid on passengers in the cabin.

Interesting, now was this flluid at full opearting pressure? Did it happen in flight or on the ground?



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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

Quoting Premobrimo (Reply 1):
Yes, it was a Mesaba Avro that was spraying hydrolic fluid on passengers in the cabin. It was on a flight from MEM to OKC.

Were there injuries IE burns assosciated with the spraying of hot fluid on people?


User currently offlineBeefer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

Here's a story from the Minneapolis StarTribune on the incident.

http://www.startribune.com/stories/670/5451139.html

Doesn't really sound too bad. Only two people taken to the hospital as a precaution. Sixteen people were taken to the Airport's Fire Station to have the fluid washed off of them.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2280 times:
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I wonder if this will cause passengers to sue Mesaba due to health issues, burns etc. Sounds like some serious checks need to be done on the fleet since this is the second time its happened

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2123 times:

I wonder if this will cause passengers to sue Mesaba due to health issues, burns etc

By hot Skydrol...?? I think law suits are a given. That stuff is bad enough just dripping on you..!!



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7553 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2060 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Sounds like some serious checks need to be done on the fleet since this is the second time its happened

When did the second one happen then?



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User currently offlineT prop From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1029 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2012 times:

I don't think the stuff spraying on the pax was hot enough to cause burns. If the fluid (skydrol) was misting, hope no one got the pleasure of inhaling it.

As far as sueing Mesaba for health issues, Skydrol isn't that bad, just wash it off and the burning sensation goes away in a little while.


T prop.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2004 times:

Where would the line have to blow to actually cause it to also penetrate into the cabin?? I would have thought that due to the pressure differences the hydraulic lines would not be running through the pressurized area of the cabin.

User currently offlineT prop From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1029 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1968 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 9):
Where would the line have to blow to actually cause it to also penetrate into the cabin?? I would have thought that due to the pressure differences the hydraulic lines would not be running through the pressurized area of the cabin.

On a high wing aircraft like the Avro, I would say that the hydraulic lines for the gear come through the cabin under the wing and head down to the gear. Most likely they are located just behind the interior paneling. If a line or fitting ruptured near the top, the only barrier would be the paneling. Of course the paneling is not fluid tight so some of will find its way out.

Hydraulic lines running inside the pressurized fuselage are normal, cabin pressure has no affect on them at all.

T prop.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1895 times:

On a high wing aircraft like the Avro, I would say that the hydraulic lines for the gear come through the cabin under the wing and head down to the gear.

It's been 10 years since I've worked an Avro, but I don't think that is right. If I remember right the Hyd pumps are located under the floor in the center fuselage...the hydraulics for the gear stay under the floor. The flaps where electrically driven...keep in mind it's been 10 years.

Hydraulic lines running inside the pressurized fuselage are normal

Not on the Saab 340... NO Hyd lines run the the pressure vessel.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1874 times:
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Burnsie28

Did you had read the link in reply 4?

A similar incident involving an Avro RJ85 operated by Mesaba and made by British Aerospace happened Sept. 1 at the Minneapolis-St. Paul Airport. Hydraulic fluid sprayed into the cabin, and a passenger was cut on the arm during the evacuation.


User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1799 times:

My father is flying GSO-MEM-OKC tomorrow during the morning flight bank. His MEM-OKC leg will be on an Avro.

Hopefully lighting doesn't strike twice.



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1767 times:

"The 56 passengers and four crew members aboard the four-engine Avro RJ85 were evacuated by slides."

Slides on an RJ85?


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1750 times:

Quoting Premobrimo (Reply 1):
Yes, it was a Mesaba Avro that was spraying hydrolic fluid on passengers in the cabin. It was on a flight from MEM to OKC.

Was the Fluid "Skydrol"[phosphate Ester based] or Mineral based.
Which system was the Routed line for.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1724 times:

The front doors are over 6 feet off the ground and the rear doors higher than that. That's the reasoning behind the slides... I've jumped from the front doors before during a mx repo... it's not that bad, but we can't have passengers doing that kind of stuff.

Flaps are not electrically driven... but HYDRAULIC. The resevoirs are underneath about mid cabin in the hydraulic bay. I'm not sure of the exact placement of the lines, but I would imagine they come near the cabin somewhere. The flaps, rudder, lift spoilers, airbrake, gear, roll spoilers and some other things are hydraulically driven.



AZJ


User currently offlineNorthwestair From Poland, joined Jul 2001, 648 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1574 times:

It wasn't all that bad. Actually everyone had to go to the firehouse. We had the RedCross come out with food and drinks for everyone. The Fire Department did a great job in working us. A lot of the passengers told me that they were pleased the way Northwest handled the situation. I had the day off, but I was called in to help with the passengers. Even though I work for NW we still handle all XJ flights and emergencies.


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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1438 times:

What was the ship number involved?

User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1226 times:

Quoting Northwestair (Reply 17):
It wasn't all that bad.

Not all that bad... If you had Skydrol burning all over you, would you just pick up the magazine and read Doug Steenland's message of the month? I have heard from many mechanics alike that Skydrol is the most hated fluid in aviation. It burns, stings, and if you aren't careful, CAN leave scars


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