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Construction At ATQ (Amritsar Airport)  
User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 524 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3793 times:

Greetings all. I was reading a few days ago that construction at Amritsar Airport recently stopped due to a change in design. I thought construction was suppose to end this November. Any news on this? Also, I heard that Malaysia Airlines, Virgin Atlantic, Kuwait Airways, and British Airways were considering starting operations there once construction completed. Is this true? It would be nice to have more options other than Singapore Airlines and Air India when traveling to ATQ. Neither airline provides a reasonable route from ORD anyway. Currently, the only feasible route is AI: ORD- YYZ-BHX-ATQ or ORD-BHX-ATQ.

Does anyone have any answers to my questions?

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User currently offlineKEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3768 times:

Quoting CHI787ORD (Thread starter):
Also, I heard that Malaysia Airlines, Virgin Atlantic, Kuwait Airways, and British Airways were considering starting operations there once construction completed. Is this true?

It's been reported over and over again in the local media that Malaysia Airlines plan to add Amritsar, Trivandrum, Trichy & Cochin all within this year, in addition to the existing 7 Indian cities they currently serve ex-KUL.


User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3768 times:

I think BA and VS would absolutely love to fly to Amritsar. Currently, Uzebekistan Airways (HY) and Turkmenistan Airlines (T5) have FULL flights to Amritsar via their respective hubs. The Punjabi community is crying out for a better alternative, that is why from BHX, AI are doing very well on the route, as confirmed by their CEO!
Does anyone know when ATQ will be completed and what facilities will the airport have? Will their be Jet Bridges or will it be like Luton?
But regardless of the airport, under the new UK-India bilateral, are UK carriers allowed to fly to ATQ, and if so, I am sure they are only allowed limited flights. I think I am right in saying, Indian carriers have a better deal under the new agreement, as they are allowed unlimited flights to airports outside London!


User currently offlineHanginOut From Austria, joined May 2005, 550 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3750 times:

Considering the large number of Punjabis in Canada, would Air Canada be interested in flying to ATQ, or would it be too low yield for them?


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User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 524 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3747 times:

Quoting HanginOut (Reply 3):
Considering the large number of Punjabis in Canada, would Air Canada be interested in flying to ATQ, or would it be too low yield for them?

I think that Air Canada could make decent profit by operating ATQ. I think they should consider it as a stop on their daily YYZ-DEL direct flight. By doing it this way, I think AC could also retain any profit it makes from business travelers.


User currently offlineACB777 From Canada, joined Sep 2003, 350 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3679 times:

Could AC make money by flying YVR-ATQ a few times a week in the winter?

User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 524 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3624 times:

Quoting ACB777 (Reply 5):
Could AC make money by flying YVR-ATQ a few times a week in the winter?

Possibly. I think there is a better market for ATQ in Vancouver though. Perhaps AC could try a YYZ-YVR-ATQ-DEL route. haha... a 4 city route sounds alot like something AI would do.  Smile


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3614 times:

The yields out of Amritsar are probably as crappy as they get.

If Air Canada et al thought Amritsar was a viable destination, they'd have started operations to Amritsar by now. With flights out of Delhi, at least they stand to benefit from higher J and F class traffic.


User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 524 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3618 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 7):
The yields out of Amritsar are probably as crappy as they get.

AI's DEL-ATQ-BHX-YVR has been overbooked since it started. They are planning to move it to a daily service. SQ flights have been successful as well from what I hear. I think there is great potential at ATQ, even though it is hard for airlines to target the business traveler.

Even if so, a stop in ATQ fron YVR-DEL is a good idea in my opinion: AC profits from average visitors going to ATQ and the business traveler going to DEL. They can even earn passengers on the ATQ-DEL leg, as this route has become an increasing popular alternative for the middle class instead of a 9 hour drive.


User currently offlineFeroze From India, joined Dec 2004, 794 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3604 times:

AI's DEL-ATQ-BHX-YVR

The flight is DEL-ATQ-BHX-YYZ

Regards,

Feroze

(my Quote button ain't working  Sad )


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3584 times:

They can even earn passengers on the ATQ-DEL leg

They don't have rights to carry pax within points in India.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 2):
I think BA and VS would absolutely love to fly to Amritsar

Amritsar barely breaks the top 10 list of Indian destinations for those carriers.

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 8):
AI's DEL-ATQ-BHX-YVR has been overbooked since it started. They are planning to move it to a daily service.

Air India doesn't fly to Vancouver.

The flights to Birmingham have not been "overbooked since it started".

There are no plans to make it a daily service in the near future.

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 8):
They can even earn passengers on the ATQ-DEL leg

Foreign carriers do not have cabotage rights. No exceptions.


User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 524 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 11):



Quoting B747-437B (Reply 11):
Air India doesn't fly to Vancouver.

The flights to Birmingham have not been "overbooked since it started".

There are no plans to make it a daily service in the near future.

Air India flies to YYZ, my mistake. I know for sure that there are plans to make DEL-ATQ-BHX-YYZ a daily route. It has been reported in the major newspapers in India. And flights have been overbooked, my Aunt has an unconfirmed reservation for June 26th BHX-ATQ.


User currently offlineBandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3492 times:

ATQ should've gone the same route as Cochin and privatised, It wouldve been 10X better IMO.

I would never doubt Sean's input on this matter, but I do hope that things get better and we get to see other carriers mentioned to ATQ.

I was at ATQ this past December just to see it with my own eyes that SIA was serving ATQ and ATQ was indeed being upgraded in terms of facilities. The construction site did look impressive.

What is totally unimpressive is the airport parking etc. If they are thinking about attracting tourists I hope once the construction is over that the parking issue is sorted out.

The airport was packed at SIA arrival/departure times so I'd find it suprising if SIA or AI werent doing well on this sector.

I sure hope construction starts again and something positive comes out of this, but for now I'll continue taking the DEL-Jallandar car commute for DEL airport facilities and my favorite airline JAL.

I do have one question though. At ATQ are they planning on using Punjab Police for their security and customs officers? If so that'd be a very good reason to avoid ATQ  Smile esp if you are a foreign tourist (not NRI)



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3466 times:

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 12):
I know for sure that there are plans to make DEL-ATQ-BHX-YYZ a daily route

For "SURE"??? Wow, that is strong words. Do you work for AI's planning department?

A "plan" is somethign that has resources to implement. Yes, AI has filed for rights and slots to operate the flights but they have also done that for a number of other places that they have no resources to operate. I wouldn't hold my breath for the next few seasons.

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 12):
And flights have been overbooked, my Aunt has an unconfirmed reservation for June 26th BHX-ATQ

You just said that flights TO Birmingham have been oversold and cite a flight FROM Birmingham as evidence.  confused   confused 


User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 524 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3450 times:

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 14):
You just said that flights TO Birmingham have been oversold and cite a flight FROM Birmingham as evidence

I meant that the the flight in general is overbooked, but i am not sure about the ATQ-BHX leg.


User currently offlineBandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3447 times:

Sean, lol I have a feeling that you are either a perfectionist or ATQ is a touchy subject for you  Wink

No one has AI insider info like you man so we are all just relying on whatever evidence we can gather. If BHX-ATQ are packed then hopefully the return sector is packed as these people are obviously coming back unless ofcourse my dream of reverse migration to India has already begun  Wink



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User currently offlineBandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3438 times:

Hmm speaking of insider info, Sean can your "sources" tell us anything about the construction halt that CHI787ORD is talking about?


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User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 524 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3436 times:

Quoting BandA (Reply 13):
I was at ATQ this past December just to see it with my own eyes that SIA was serving ATQ and ATQ was indeed being upgraded in terms of facilities. The construction site did look impressive.

I have no doubt that when the construction is complete, ATQ's terminal will be massively improved. Anything will be an improvent from the tin shack that it currently is.

BandA, what exactly did you se that impressed you? I have not seen any photos of construction and am very curious. Also does anyone know when construction will end? Is it delayed as I have heard?


User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 524 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3438 times:

Here is what I have read: any new news on this? analysis? rants?

Punjab to promote religious tourism
Praful, Amarinder flag off A-I flight to Toronto
Ashok Sethi

Rajasansi (Amritsar), May 15
The Union Minister for Civil Aviation, Mr Praful Patel, today brushed aside the resentment over the stalled construction of the terminal of Sri Guru Ramdass International Airport and assured the public that a bigger and modern complex would be built.

Addressing a gathering during the flag-off ceremony of the inaugural Air-India’s Delhi-Amritsar-Birmingham-Toronto flight here today, Mr Patel said top priority was being given to restart the construction of the ultra-modern airport. He, however, said the project could be delayed by another six months as the Ministry of Civil Aviation, in consultation with the Airport Authority of India (AAI), was preparing a blueprint for the its upgradation.

Earlier, the flight was flagged off from New Delhi by Tourism Minister Renuka Chowdhury and Mr Patel.

He said the Air-India was prepared to make this flight operational on a daily basis instead of thrice a week at present in view of its growing demand. A direct international flight of Air-India Express, an economical flight from Amritsar to Dubai, was also on the anvil. He said the Air-India had recently launched a direct flight from Kerala to Dubai and another direct flight from Kolkata to London was likely to commence shortly.

Referring to the setting up of a green field airport at Ladowal between Ludhiana and Jalandhar, Mr Patel said the project had been cleared by the government and was in the advanced stage of implementation. It would come up on the same pattern of green field airports already set up in Mumbai, Navi Mumbai, Hyderabad, Bangalore and Lucknow. He said Chandigarh Airport would also be upgraded to meet the growing need of the people of this area.

Punjab Chief Minister, Amarinder Singh, said the government was set to chalk out a roadmap to boost religious tourism in the state.

He said the government was contemplating to develop religious tourism by connecting Sri Anandpur Sahib, Chamkaur Sahib, Fatehgarh Sahib, Takht Sri Damdama Sahib and Sri Harmandir Sahib. Another circuit of Hindu shrines from Naina Devi, Maisarkhana, Durgiana Temple and Vaishno Devi would also be developed in a big way.

Later Capt Amarinder Singh along with Mr Patel flagged off the flight.

Meanwhile, the General Manager (Architect) of the AAI, Mr Harpal Singh, today made the detail presentation of the new design of the Airport Complex to the Minister of Civil Aviation and visiting dignitaries.

The Director Airport, Mr V.S. Mulekar, said the minister showed keen interest in the development of the airport and said the complex would be ready within a year.

The minister was accompanied by MPs attached to the Ministry of Civil Aviation and Mr Tarlochan Singh, Chairman, National Minorities Commission, among others.

The link is here: http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050516/main1.htm


User currently offlineBandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3427 times:

CHI787ORD,

Well maybe it wont be as impressive to you and it wasnt much other than tall concrete pillars and slabs that suggested to me if nothing else that the building was going to be multi-level (arrival/departure seperated perhaps) and the new tower was impressive, like the one at SEA.

My dad was reading in the newspaper that there were articles about elevators and escalators (obvious in a modern facility) but again suggests that it will be a multi-level arrival/departure type facility.

One of the article said that SIA had a lot of influence on the airport design process.

I was reading some online news sites that had some pics of the construction site, the theme seems to be based on the holy-city. Though in this pic the structure doesnt seem as large as it looked to me in person in this photo

I do agree with you that anything is an improvement over whats there now, which is quite craptastic.



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User currently offlineBandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3416 times:

CHI787ORD, as per that article, I hope its not just another delay that goes on forever like it has in the past 10-15-20 years!

About that airport in Ludhiana, they shouldve gone with that idea to begin with over ATQ if they wanted to do that at all, but now that ATQ construction is actually going somewhere why not just drop that whole idea and put that focus on ATQ instead?

[Edited 2005-06-14 00:36:52]


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User currently offlineBandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3413 times:

I like the idea of making this a religous tourist attraction (it is already) but promoting it + new facilities = economic boost to the region.

Again going off-topic here, but I think privatisation of ATQ was probably the best way to go like cochin.



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User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 524 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3390 times:

Quoting BandA (Reply 22):
Again going off-topic here, but I think privatisation of ATQ was probably the best way to go like cochin.

I completely agree, but things ofcourse are not run that way in Northern India. Everything has to be slowly accomplished through the government in a highly beaureacratic process. Hopefully the delay wont take much longer, im anticipating the day i will be able to fly directly to Amritsar and be at my cousin's house in 20 minutes instead of a day long journey through agrarian Haryana and dusty Punjab on GT road from DEL.


User currently offlineShawnnyc From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3402 times:

Quoting CHI787ORD (Thread starter):
Any news on this? Also, I heard that Malaysia Airlines, Virgin Atlantic, Kuwait Airways, and British Airways were considering starting operations there once construction completed. Is this true?

I thought UK carriers could only fly from LHR to BOM, DEL, CCU, MAA, BLR, HYD and Cochin. ATQ (and AMD) were not on the list. But Indian carriers can fly from ATQ to LHR. Is this correct?

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 8):
Even if so, a stop in ATQ fron YVR-DEL is a good idea in my opinion: AC profits from average visitors going to ATQ and the business traveler going to DEL

AC can't fly to ATQ, and they can only do a stop in CCU with another Indian city (with no domestic pax rights).


User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 524 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3357 times:

Quoting BandA (Reply 21):
About that airport in Ludhiana, they shouldve gone with that idea to begin with over ATQ if they wanted to do that at all, but now that ATQ construction is actually going somewhere why not just drop that whole idea and put that focus on ATQ instead?

I agree. An airport in Ludhiana or Chandigarh as some have suggested doesn't seem viable to me. Both are too close to Delhi to attract passengers and arilines. Amritsar really is the only solution for Punjabis flying directly into the Punjab.


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