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747-A A Go In June?  
User currently offlineIwok From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1108 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2749 times:

747-ADV possible approval in June

I just read on yahoo finance a new article quoting Alan Mulally as saying that the first 747-A deliveries could commence in 2008, and that the launch could be approved during the June Board meeting.

Lets hope this happens soon!

He said it is gated by the 787 engine development, and that there would be some work done on the wing.

No big orders from Boeing for next week however.

-iwok

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User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

 bigthumbsup  Check the link, I get "We're sorry...this story is not available. "


Yay Pudding!
User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2924 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2637 times:

Try this link:

http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuot...05-06-12_18-55-14_n12655926_newsml


User currently offlineBoogyJay From France, joined May 2005, 490 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2591 times:

2008 seems a very good timing for Boeing. It's better than the first announced 2010 EIS.

If this finally holds true, they will probably succeed to sell enough B744 to maintain the line opened.

That sounds very good for the B747A Big grin


User currently offlineVivek0072 From India, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2531 times:

Any idea who will be the launch customer, and does any one forsee any customer jumping the line by cancelling the A380 and ordering the 74A ?


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User currently offlineBoogyJay From France, joined May 2005, 490 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

Quoting Vivek0072 (Reply 4):
Any idea who will be the launch customer,

I'd like to know who the launch customer(s) will be. They all seem to be very interested but don't want to take the risk of being the launch customer.

Quoting Vivek0072 (Reply 4):
does any one forsee any customer jumping the line by cancelling the A380 and ordering the 74A ?

I doubt it would happen.


User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4106 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

Maybe they want to take the risk but can't since Boeing can't sell it yet?

User currently offlineIwok From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2189 times:

Quoting Vivek0072 (Reply 4):
Any idea who will be the launch customer, and does any one forsee any customer jumping the line by cancelling the A380 and ordering the 74A ?

I can't imagine anyone cancelling their 380 orders, but it soes seem plausible that QF and SQ would go for a couple. Maybe even United once they get things squared away. I wonder if the Boeing board meeting will take place during the Air Show. That would really be sweet if they could announce it next week.  Smile

iwok


User currently offlineAirFrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2826 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2153 times:

Quoting Iwok (Reply 7):
I can't imagine anyone cancelling their 380 orders, but it soes seem plausible that QF and SQ would go for a couple. Maybe even United once they get things squared away. I wonder if the Boeing board meeting will take place during the Air Show. That would really be sweet if they could announce it next week. Smile

It's possible. If anyone would do it, SQ might.


User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4106 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

Don't forget BA publically announced they are interested in it. (there's a thread around here somewhere about it...).

Cargolux is also highly interested in the freigher version, which would probably be launched first.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8278 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2095 times:

I have a feeling that a lot of airlines flying 744s would be interested in the plane, but not all in the short term. It's going to continue to be an important plane for a lot of routes as well as a good freighter.

The article in another thread where Qf said there were 468,000 empty seats on the LAX to Australia routes up to April is a pretty good indication that the 380 is not always the best plane on any given day.

My guess is that someone like JAL will be the first launch customer.


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2029 times:

I just had a thought about Boeing's strategy if this is a bluff. In the I Love Lucy episode 'The Diner', when the Ricardos and the Mertzes fell out and set up their own halves of a diner, that drunk guy came in and was offered a hamburger by the Mertzes. The Ricardos responded by reducing the price on theirs and the result was a price war, which led the Mertzes to offer their hamburgers at 1 cent. Lucy then promptly removed a dollar from the till, gave it the drunk and the drunk ordered a hundred hamburgers much to the Ricardos amusement.

If the 747ADV if a bluff, the idea could be to make customers think twice about ordering the A380 for a bit, resulting in Airbus making cut price offers, which hampers their attempt to get a good ROI on the aircraft.


User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

The 747-adv put into the fleet of other 747 operaters makes economic sense than bringing in a 380, but this will lay on the commonalty of this acft with the 747-400 or will be a total different animal like the difference between the -100 and -400


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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1996 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 11):
If the 747ADV if a bluff, the idea could be to make customers think twice about ordering the A380 for a bit, resulting in Airbus making cut price offers, which hampers their attempt to get a good ROI on the aircraft.

While that is a side benefit, Boeing and Airbus are not offering equivalent products with equivalent upfront costs or operational costs. The A388 and 747Adv are very different aircraft and would appeal to different airlines depending on their circumstances. The 747Adv is a less risky project for Boeing, and it is a less risky product for airlines because its operational costs are much lower and it can be applied to a wider variety of routes.



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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7107 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

BA made it public, I heard that CX and JL would look into it. And there was a post here a few days ago saying NZ was interested in a few for its 'larger markets' (probably Japan, LAX,LHR)

User currently offlinePlaneSmart From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 938 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 11):
If the 747ADV if a bluff, the idea could be to make customers think twice about ordering the A380 for a bit, resulting in Airbus making cut price offers, which hampers their attempt to get a good ROI on the aircraft.

The bluff is working, as neither BA or CX have ordered the A38 yet.

Isn't this to a certain extent what A has been doing with the A35? Make the preliminary specs & target pricing tempting / interesting enough for airlines to defer placing 787 orders.


User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10031 posts, RR: 96
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1722 times:
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Flight Magazine this week quotes Baseler as saying that 747ADV launch will now not be until the end of the year, citing decision timing by airlines as the primary reason.....

User currently offlineJAM747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 550 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1658 times:

Moving possible launch date to 2008 rather than 2010 I think will greatly influence if the 747 Adv is launched or not. There has been concern that existing orders might not keep the line open long enough but an earlier date will lessen the gap

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