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Airbus Losing Altitude  
User currently offlineHawker From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 105 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2197 times:

Interesting summary of Airbus woes in current edition of Business Week Online. Can't post the link because of attached ads, but in summary:

Negatives
6 month delay in A380 deliveries likely to cost $150-200m.
Emerates not ready to place major order for A350 so no major orders to announce at Paris.
Marketing A350 hampered by uncertainty over, design, financing and US trade complaints.
Competition from 787 likely to kick in from 08.
Problems with CEO.

Positives
Last years operating profit was $2.3b.
Order backlog still exceeds Boeing.
Profits expected to pick up as A380 development costs wind down.

Bottom line Airbus is there for the long haul. Not bad for a new competitor in a very hi tech market.

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User currently onlineKC135R From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 725 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

Barring the emergence of a third (or more) large manufacturer, I expect the up and down will continue between Airbus and Boeing forever. The last few years have not been great for Boeing, now they are on a phenomenal rise. Airbus has been doing quite well for the last few years, now they are in a bit of a slump - they'll come back. For all we really know, the next week or so at Paris might yield many Airbus orders - or it might not, either way doesn't matter. Worst case scenario for Airbus is little traction for the A350 at the airshow, since Leahy promised orders. But, even so, in reality lack of interest in the A350 will mean that the airplane still needs work - not the company, per se, although it could potentially mean something. I agree they are in it for the long haul. I also like the heavy competition. I am glad Boeing is getting their act together after being so arrogantly complacent the last few years. I am sure they will both do fine for years to come, trading the top spot from time to time - or being very close to each other in sales without one that dominates the other (just surpassing the other). That is unless one of them really messes up, but that's not likely to happen.

All that being said, as the aritcle highlights indicate, things are not 100% sunshine in Toulouse, but it's not the beginning of the end IMO, just bumps in the road.


User currently offlineSWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2065 times:

what better can it be for the airline industry  Wink
it even rhymes!


User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

Yawn, Yawn

Have you taken a look at the "787" clients?

Primaris, a dream airline with Conway involved, we know how well he was for America West and National!  sarcastic 

First Choice, a nightmare English Charter airline!  sarcastic 

Blue Panorama, a Italian charter airline, that has obscure low yield routes!  sarcastic 

Xiaman Airlines, a Chinese airline that is MU prey!  sarcastic 

Hainan Airlines, a Chinese airline that is MU prey!  sarcastic 

Shanghai Airlines, a Chinese airline that is China Southern prey!  sarcastic 

Continental Airlnies, a airline that has attempted to cancel their order!  sarcastic 


Aloha,

Kahala777


User currently onlineKC135R From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 725 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1999 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 3):
Have you taken a look at the "787" clients?

So what?? The only "big" A350 likely customer so far is US/HP who were greased into it with a 250 million dollar loan. What is your point? What about all the other airlines that ordered the 787, are they foolish as well? I am sure all the interest is misplaced, right?  sarcastic 


User currently offlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1980 times:

Quoting Hawker (Thread starter):
Bottom line Airbus is there for the long haul. Not bad for a new competitor in a very hi tech market.

I agree 100%. I think maybe some people are making too much of the latest in-fighting at Airbus between the French and the Germans. They have always been able to pull together when the chips are down. They have come way too far together to allow it to fall apart. Plus as you said the order backlog is still good, and I believe they will sort out the A350 and compete. That wide body twin market is big and they have the know how and experience to build a competitive jet.

I believe though they must get the A380 going and maybe they should concentrate on it for now. I'm sure they will eventually overcome the natural difficulties inherent in building an airplane that big, but they need to give it close to their full attention. I'm of the opinion they have time to develop the A350, but they need to make sure the A380 succeeds now. That's the more immediate and pressing issue.  twocents 

Cheers, Ralph



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User currently offlineSWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1975 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 3):
Yawn, Yawn

Have you taken a look at the "787" clients?

Well, one thing is for sure; nothing is for sure today in the airline industry, nor for A or for B!
 Yeah sure


User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 6):
Well, one thing is for sure; nothing is for sure today in the airline industry, nor for A or for B!

Thank You!  Smile

Quoting KC135R (Reply 4):
What about all the other airlines that ordered the 787, are they foolish as well?

Lets wait until it becomes more than a model!

Quoting KC135R (Reply 4):
The only "big" A350 likely customer so far is US/HP who were greased into it with a 250 million dollar loan.

I am not holding my breath for the A350 to do anymore than be on a poster in Hamburg!


Aloha,

Kahala777


User currently onlineKC135R From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 725 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 7):
Lets wait until it becomes more than a model!

Oh Yee of little faith...do you really think for one minute it's not going to become an airplane? Come on man, wake up - this "paper airplane" argument is getting old. The order book has 260 some odd orders/commitments. I think history has shown Boeing to be a reputable company, well in building planes anyway - their ethics are another story.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 7):
I am not holding my breath for the A350 to do anymore than be on a poster in Hamburg!

On this we may agree, it's looking worse and worse for the A350 - I would have thought EK would have saved it, but alas even they don't seem to want it as it stands now.


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1590 times:

So no big A350 orders at Paris? Doesn't that mean that Leahy pulled a Boeing?

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