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Paris: Qatar Airways Order 60 A350 And 20 B777  
User currently offlineSq212 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 272 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 16313 times:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../bs_nm/airlines_airshow_qatar_dc_1

Ryan Air has exercised an option to buy 5 more B738.

Congrats to A and B.

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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 16278 times:

The A350 part of it was not entirely unexpected. Glad to see that Boeing got a piece of that action in the form of 777s.

User currently offline'Longreach' From Australia, joined Jul 2001, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 16227 times:

Haven't most people been saying it was 787 all the way?

Lol this would be a classic if true. How wrong we can get things.


User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5141 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 16178 times:

I've always said the 787 was to small for those kind of carriers, also for EK.
The 777/350 mix makes more sence.

KL911


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 16156 times:

Quoting N79969 (Reply 1):
The A350 part of it was not entirely unexpected. Glad to see that Boeing got a piece of that action in the form of 777s.

I didn't realize the A359 was of major interest to Qatar. Their plans sounded more modest before. 80 planes sounds like too much.



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User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 16120 times:

Have they ordered 20 777-300ER? That would make sense, since it would not be logical to roder the A359 and 777-200ER.


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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5141 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 16096 times:

Quoting DeltaWings (Reply 5):
Have they ordered 20 777-300ER? That would make sense, since it would not be logical to roder the A359 and 777-200ER.

The article says at least half (10) of this order will be for the 777-300ER.

KL911


User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 16040 times:
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This is a great start to the show and the good to see QR finally announce their intentions.

Any further details on the other 10 777s from Boeing? Will they be 772LR or a mix of the 772LR and 772F.

I'm pleased to see the A350 garner a substantial Launch order and with the Dubai Airshow not too far away perhaps EK will add momentum to the program even though I'm sure Airbus will have one or two "cards up their sleeve" in relation to further A350 orders.  Wink

Regards



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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 16027 times:

Will they BUY or LEASE from say ILFC these T7s ?
As they go A350 , it will be a judicious sense to lease them and to replace them with A350-900s later for fleet communality.
Probably they buy or lease them as they can be delivered in a short time.


User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5141 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 15937 times:

Quoting PANAM_DC10 (Reply 7):
Any further details on the other 10 777s from Boeing? Will they be 772LR or a mix of the 772LR and 772F.

Good question. I didn't even think about the 777F, seems logic as well. Cargo is very important to/from the gulfregion.

KL911


User currently offlineStickShaker From Australia, joined Sep 2004, 756 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 15783 times:

" ... The Airbus planes would be delivered between 2010 and 2015, Qatar said, adding the deal would include buying both A350-800 and A350-900 variants of the plane ...."


Interesting that Qatar are ordering both the 358 and 359. Does the 60 figure include any options or are they all firm orders - what is the breakdown for 358 and 359 models ?

Must provide some relief to Airbus after watching 787 sales take off.

Good news for both A & B.


Cheers,
StickShaker


User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 15713 times:
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FCKC

ILFC have no outstanding 777 orders available for delivery. So either way they will be new orders. It is a good question too and I would almost be inclined to ask the same of their entire A350 commitment given that 80 frames is 20 more than the original 60 frame order that was expected, so perhaps we'll see some A350s via ILFC. That is just my opinion though sir.

Regards



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7152 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 15630 times:

NOTE: ORDERS NOT YET SIGNED

The 777 orders are a mix of 773, 772LR and 77F versions - Half of 777 order to be -300 - with deliveries between 2008 and 2010.



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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 15431 times:

I agree that 80 airplanes seems like too many for a Qatar based airline. Cathay Pacific has something like 90 airplanes in their fleet. But hey, it is their money and I wish them success.

I think it is fair to say that A340 is now dead or in terminal condition...the A330 is not looking too healthy either. Just my observation now that the 350 which straddles both niches is coming into existence.


User currently offlineEK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 15340 times:

Unbelievable... when everybody thought QR is going for the B787, they shocked us all and ordered 60 of the A350!!!

Wonder what EK will do next? Will do shock us even more and order the B787 instead of the A350?

Anything is possible!!!


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 15328 times:

Well that's great news for both A and B.

What about QR's A346HGW order? Does that still stand now that they have gone for 773's, or have they been converted to A350's?


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 15216 times:

That is a order I like : an airline ordering Airbus and Boeing planes at once can´t there be more of it !!!!!!!


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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 15167 times:

If I were a European airline CEO right now, I would start worrying about...now. Between Emirates, Qatar, and Etihad (sic?), there are going to be a lot of airplanes based in the middle east in very near future and they have to go somewhere. These middle eastern airlines will be competing for Europe's eastbound cargo and passenger traffic.

User currently offlineKorg747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 549 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 15116 times:

I sure was expecting QR to go all the way Airbus. I didn't expect them to go for any Boeings. Good job Boeing! this will atleast plant the seed in QR's land and then Boeing can build from there later in the future. besides, the A350 is not even lanched yet so who knows what will happen.


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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 15051 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 13):
The 777 orders are a mix of 773, 772LR and 77F versions - Half of 777 order to be -300 - with deliveries between 2008 and 2010.

A most sexy mix. Surely the 773 is the 773ER, rather than the 773A. What does this bring the 772LR total up to? Have they broken even on it yet?


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1884 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14936 times:

I saw this one coming.  Smile With EK order apparent, looks like Leahy will have his triple digit orders  Smile I'm glad A350 is shaping up to be a healthy competitor to 787... Now the question remains: who else will order it?


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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14872 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 20):
With EK order apparent, looks like Leahy will have his triple digit orders

Not sure what you mean but EK is said to not be ordering until September.

But the triple digit orders are indeed likely. With 30 from US, they are up to 90 and so only need another 10 from someone like Iberia to make it.


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14807 times:

After reading the article, one thing strikes me. QR will order "up to" 60 A350s and "at least" 20 777s. Is this a proper MOU yet or just a rumour?

User currently offlineTrident2e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14798 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 21):
But the triple digit orders are indeed likely. With 30 from US, they are up to 90 and so only need another 10 from someone like Iberia to make it.

What about the 10 from Air Europa? That makes 100 already.


User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14780 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 22):
After reading the article, one thing strikes me. QR will order "up to" 60 A350s and "at least" 20 777s. Is this a proper MOU yet or just a rumour?

Would imagine that it is a MOU.



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25 Post contains images Monteycarlos : Well I for one was 99% sure they would go for the 787... I guess it shows just how wrong some sources can be. We say the same about EK all the time. I
26 Jacobin777 : don't place me in that camp si vous plait...I stated previously (can be verified in other posts) that QR will go with the A350 (though I was hoping t
27 Post contains images A388 : If this is indeed true, congratulations to both A and B. 60 orders for the A350 and 20 for the 777 is great!!! I'm wondering who else will order the A
28 Glareskin : This is from the Airbus site: Speaking at a press conference at the air show, Sheik Akbar Al Baker, Qatar Chief Executive Officer, declared: “The or
29 Glom : I was curious though because the numbers given weren't numbers so much as ranges so I was thinking this was the precursur to the proper announcement.
30 Post contains images RayChuang : Actually, I wouldn't be surprised we see a large number of additional 777-300ER orders from both QR and EK over the next few months. The 773ER has dem
31 Keta : Finally an A350 order! Congrats to Airbus! Congrats to Boeing also for the 777 orders! (whenever all this is signed) So you can only feel happy about
32 Columba : Lufthansa´s CEA Wolfgang Maryhuber already said that they have to grow in order to compete with airlines like Emirates.
33 N79969 : Columba, Do you think growth will make them more competitive? How so exactly?
34 KL808 : Congratulations Airbus for a great start to the Paris Air show. Would have been a better bang with an extra 50 order from Airbus. Also great to see Bo
35 AirlineAddict : That struck me as odd as well... one is a maximum order and one a minimum order. Makes one wonder what the final tally will be (e.g., 30 firm + 30 op
36 N79969 : KL808, How do you mean? While competition certainly improves productive efficiency, there may be few casualties or players taken entirely out of the m
37 Glom : We're all talking about it, aren't we? Publicity is always good.
38 AirlineAddict : Glom, Great point. I was originally thinking better pricing from Airbus, but you're absolutely right about publicity.
39 BrightCedars : The Airbus website release goes for 60 frames, there is no "up to" mentioned there.
40 Post contains images FRAspotter : With another 80 planes on the way for Qatar Airways, they will almost certainly HAVE to expand the airport terminal in Doha. I was there last April an
41 Shawnnyc : I agree as well. Where are they going to fly those planes? Ek at least has Dubai O&D traffic to fall back on, but Qatar? Where does Qatar feel the pa
42 DAYflyer : My thoughts precisely. They have been all Airbus up until now. I thought all the Airbus said that this aircraft was to compete with the 777? Why orde
43 FRAspotter : Maybe they might start up service to North America....?
44 Glom : It's a bit weird, but I don't think the 772ER was included in the deal. The orders are 773ERs, 772LRs and 772LRFs. Airbus has no challenge to these a
45 The777Man : Great to see another airline that will be getting the 777! The777Man
46 Drerx7 : Good news--glad to see the A350 finally pick up some orders. Has its design been frozen yet? Cause all the artist impressions look exactly like an A33
47 Scbriml : No terminal two at the current DOH, but rather a completely new airport on reclaimed land to the East of the current airport. These plans were announ
48 QQFLYER28 : I have read in here that the A350-900 is a threat to the 777-200ER, but how does it compete against the 777-200LR? I apologize in advance if this has
49 KL808 : I think the EU carriers dont need to worry much, too much capacity in that part of the world is probably not good. There might be a casualty when you
50 Post contains links B2707SST : According to the Seattle Times article on the order: Qatar chief executive Akbar Al-Baker also said his airline intends to make the 777 "the standard
51 BestWestern : Couldn't agree more - the 772LR is perfect for Gulf -> US flights and Gulf to Australasia flights - probably only ordering five of them though Regard
52 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Doubtful, unless they want to pick up even more. The A350-900 will not replace the 777's to be ordered, as QR is ordering the -200F, -200LR and -300E
53 Ikramerica : Makes no sense. This release is full of spin. With the "up to" and "at least" it's vague enough, but to claim that the A350 gives them commonality wi
54 Wingman : So where's that nimnod who kept saying he knew for sure from his sources that QR was ordering the 787. I see he hasn't shown his face in this thread.
55 JrMafia90 : They ordered 60 A350's? That is a lot of planes. Plus 20 B777's, they must have a lot of new destinations.
56 A330323X : US is ordering 20 A350-800s, not 30.
57 Hamlet69 : Note that it was Airbus, not Qatar, who said it would give commonality with the A340's. IMHO, what you'll see Qatar do is take delivery of their A340
58 Post contains links B2707SST : Maybe you are looking at a different site, or the text has changed, but the official press release on Airbus' web site does include the "up to" langu
59 Ikramerica : I will note that. The A340 was not mentioned by Qatar. But even then, the A350 is 90% new. This means that honestly, it's only the cockpit commonalit
60 Post contains links Keta : See here, there is no "up to" http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...ressreleases/Qatar_A350_order.html
61 Post contains links YUL332LX : "For his part, Al-Baker said that his airline does its own analysis of the seat count. "We don't always go along with what the manufacturer tells us,"
62 B2707SST : " target=_blank>http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...rder. Strange, the press release linked on the front page of their web site does -- go to Airbu
63 KL808 : With due respect, I highly disagree about your statements. Because QR has been needing additional capacity all along, to meet its growth expectations
64 Yyz717 : I find the fleet expansion plans of EK and Qatar Airways to be ridiculously over-the-top in terms of growth. Such an order as this simply defies logic
65 Post contains images Lehpron : As long as you didn't realize it was of major interest, it will sound like too much. [quote=FCKC,reply=8]Will they BUY or LEASE from say ILFC these T
66 EK156 : Lol! So I guess you were one of the few who thought QR would go for A 350. Then again I might be wrong... so I guess i should have said many of us th
67 Post contains images BCAInfoSys : Boeing renditions of the 772LR and 773ER with the comments below: Qatar Airways has announced its intent to purchase the Boeing 777-200LR (top) and 77
68 NYC777 : I have to sasy that the 772LR and 773ER are the best looking planes around. Looks great in QR c/s!
69 Post contains links N60659 : International Lease Finance Corporation. http://www.ilfc.com/ -N60659
70 GQfluffy : So Qatar will operate their 777's for what? 3 years? Then dump them? I don't think so, Jim. fluffy
71 Post contains links and images ITA350 : Wow this is a surprise to me. I thought it would be EK with the larger orders. Good to see some interest in the A350. The A350 also looks good in QR c
72 Revelation : I guess the A350 did not kill the 777 after all...
73 Ricci767 : Thats the A350 design at the moment? Just quickly glancing at it I would have said it was an A330! Oh well. the A330 is an attractive plane anyway.
74 Gigneil : I don't really think anybody in the industry thought QR would order the 787. They basically are setting the design goals of the A350. The CEO did ann
75 Post contains links and images KennyK : Some more information at Airbus.com: http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...ressreleases/Qatar_A350_order.html Hard not to be the biggest customer in
76 Post contains images COEWR787 : They do have very large tracts of desert to park them on for cheap, should the need arise.
77 Jacobin777 : at first, I thought QR would go with the 787, but as time went on and the longer QR waited, the lower the probability for them to order the 787.... I
78 Post contains images ER757 : I guess maybe he choked to death when he couldn't get his foot out of his mouth Wow - that's a LOT of planes that QR is going to need to fill up. Goo
79 Wingman : Funny how many people point to the death of the 772ER without mentioning the equally imminent demise of the 332, 333, 342, and 343. All replaced by th
80 777ER : Qatar Airways is the largest all-Airbus operator in the Middle East and one of the world’s leading airlines, with a fleet that comprises aircraft fr
81 Post contains images Mariner : Why? They just sold a big bunch of aircraft. I'd be happy. cheers mariner
82 Atmx2000 : They are probably fuming more about al-Baker saying the 777 will be their "standard large widebody." Regardless, the combined order represents the co
83 777ER : Quoting 777ER (Reply 80): Bet Airbus are fuming about boeings entering QRs fleet Why? Its simple. QR is an all-airbus operator, but now B777s will be
84 Mariner : I did understand that point. They still sold 'em a big bunch of aircraft. Would they prefer it hadn't happened? Probably. Just as Boeing would prefer
85 777ER : But fuming? I hope they're a bit more adult than that. Adult, it makes you wonder after the threats to IA and the UK government
86 Mariner : I don't wonder. They - and Boeing - make aircraft which are remarkably efficient and, more importantly, remarkably safe. Thats adult enough for me. T
87 Ikramerica : That's not what I meant. Don't read more into statements than is there. That's what I meant, GQ. It's that as current models stand now, it looks like
88 AvObserver : "Qatar Airways announced today its decision to order UP TO 60 A350s" "See here, there is no "up to"." Amazing how Airbus can have two inconsistent pre
89 Post contains links Hamlet69 : You can disagree to your heart's content. It's entirely you're right to do so. However, I was going off what Qatar Airways and it's CEO, Akbar Al Bak
90 Post contains images Morvious : I am with you on this one.. Isn't the service also better then most European airliners? Also a thing to think about is tourism. It is growing and wil
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