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Transcon Wide-bodies For US, Ever Again?  
User currently offlineDCAflyboy From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 143 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3428 times:

Does anyone think US Airways will ever bring back wide-bodies to the West Coast? Or maybe just to PHX or LAS after the HP merger?

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User currently offlineIADBGO From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

I doubt that they would be moving widebodies to domestic since international flights is where they are actually making money. It doesn't make sense for them to move money making planes from the international routes.

IADBGO


User currently onlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3841 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3254 times:

Wasn't LAX the only western city that got US widebodies?

DeltaRules



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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3195 times:

Quoting DCAflyboy (Thread starter):
Does anyone think US Airways will ever bring back wide-bodies to the West Coast? Or maybe just to PHX or LAS after the HP merger?

It seems likely that US will use the 767s to Hawaii and between the hubs after the A330-200s replace the 767s across the pond.

Quoting IADBGO (Reply 1):
I doubt that they would be moving widebodies to domestic since international flights is where they are actually making money. It doesn't make sense for them to move money making planes from the international routes.

They do currently use a number of 762s to Florida and the Caribbean to increase utilization. During the summer, they serve BDA, CUN. During the winter, they typically serve MCO, CUN, SJU, NAS, STT.

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 2):
Wasn't LAX the only western city that got US widebodies?

LAS has had them too, and I think SFO might have had them very early on. In fact, LAS was rumored to be getting one from CLT this summer, but it would've stretched the fleet too tight.



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6828 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3150 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 3):
It seems likely that US will use the 767s to Hawaii and between the hubs after the A330-200s replace the 767s across the pond.

Actually, it seems more likely that the 767's will be retired as the A330-200's enter service. The US fleet of 767-200ER's currently has an average age of 16 years and I'd be surprised if the A330-200's aren't pushed back or entirely converted to A350 orders. By the same token, the 757 fleets at both US Airways and America West are getting up there in age.


User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2819 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3095 times:

SFO used to get US 762's...back in the early-mid 1990's, I flew PHL-SFO aboard a US 762.

User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3074 times:

Is your info accurate A330323X? I don't remember US using the 767 to NAS, STT, or LAS. I also doubt they will use the 767s to Hawaii--HP plans on using 757s whether they merge or not. Besides--what is the capacity on those 767s? The 757 has a better seat/mile cost for the ops--remember those are 762s.


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User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3053 times:

MIA-PHL, use to operate with the A330!


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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2843 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 4):
By the same token, the 757 fleets at both US Airways and America West are getting up there in age.

The 757-2B7s are only 11 years old. The -225s, I agree, should be going soon, but they make up less than 1/3 of US's fleet.

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 6):
Is your info accurate A330323X?

No, I just make shit up, like everyone else on here.  Yeah sure

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 6):
I don't remember US using the 767 to NAS, STT, or LAS.

Well, I don't know what to tell you. Here is a widebody schedule from this March showing 767 flights to STT. The NAS flights usually run in Dec-Jan, but I don't have an older timetable on this computer. LAS has been at least 4-5 years since it ran.

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 6):
I also doubt they will use the 767s to Hawaii--HP plans on using 757s whether they merge or not. Besides--what is the capacity on those 767s? The 757 has a better seat/mile cost for the ops--remember those are 762s.

Of course, cost is only half of the equation. The 762s would have better revenue performance to Hawaii (or the Caribbean, for that matter) than the 752s due to a larger premium cabin and greatly increased cargo lift. Also, weighing heavily in the 762's favor from the cost angle, 4 of the birds (40% of the fleet) are owned outright, free-and-clear by US.



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User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2788 times:

The 767-200 is just not the best option on Transcons today. It's operating costs are 20% higher than a 757. You might be OK with an early AM or late evening departures to attact some cargo revenue, but cargo revenue is way over blown.

I was looking at these AA 767s that operate in these markets and they hold just 156 passengers. Compare that with a Song 757 with 199 seats and you get a CASM that's likely only 60% of what AA must deal with.

One could argue that the Jetblue Airbus is more the right size than the 757.


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2739 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 8):
Well, I don't know what to tell you. Here is a widebody schedule from this March showing 767 flights to STT. The NAS flights usually run in Dec-Jan, but I don't have an older timetable on this computer. LAS has been at least 4-5 years since it ran.

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 6):
I also doubt they will use the 767s to Hawaii--HP plans on using 757s whether they merge or not. Besides--what is the capacity on those 767s? The 757 has a better seat/mile cost for the ops--remember those are 762s.

Of course, cost is only half of the equation. The 762s would have better revenue performance to Hawaii (or the Caribbean, for that matter) than the 752s due to a larger premium cabin and greatly increased cargo lift. Also, weighing heavily in the 762's favor from the cost angle, 4 of the birds (40% of the fleet) are owned outright, free-and-clear by US.

I was asking because I didn't know--thanks for clarifying that about the 762 in STT. As far as 762s to Hawaii--remember there is not a big demand for a premium cabin to Hawaii. The only benefit of a 762 to Hawaii would be the added cargo.



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User currently offlineIwok From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

Quoting DCAflyboy (Thread starter):
Does anyone think US Airways will ever bring back wide-bodies to the West Coast? Or maybe just to PHX or LAS after the HP merger?

I'm flying SFO-HNL in two weeks on the triple 7. Looks like its going to be a great flight with the great IFE. Gotta love the T7.

iwok


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3474 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2671 times:

762's have been flying to CUN, STT, and NAS in the winters for a while now. The A333 only flew PHL-MIA for a short time when the 333 first entered service for pilots/fa's to get accustumed to the new aircraft.

User currently offlineLizzard71 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2616 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 8):
No, I just make shit up, like everyone else on here.

Now that's funny  laughing 
Thanks for making my day.

lizzard71.


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