Monteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7483 times:
Quoting Keesje (Thread starter): 'I am confident of achieving 200 purchase agreements by the end of the year.'
Before anyone gets too wound up with this thread and starts Leahy bashing I would like to point out that:
A) He stated he is "confident" and that is by no means fact that this will occur
B) Boeing said the same about 787 orders - it didn't eventuate yet no more than 6 months later their target has easily been achieved and then some.
However given its turbulent reception thus far the A350 is certainly starting to gain momentum and I am pleased that finally the 787 has some competition. (And secretly I think most of us are happy no matter which side of the pond we live on)
Nudelhirsch From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7461 times:
Once again Keesje posts that PR crap from Leahy...
Last time somebody announced that number of orders, it was torn apart and it did not come true. Let's watch Leahy's humble servant Keesje when the reality about those orders strikes in...
Well with comments like yours do you blame him? Keep in mind that you are flaming a fellow a.net user without any merit.
He posted a topic of interest, if you are not interested the why post? IMO he is doing no different than any member wanting to start a reasonable discussion.
Quoting Keesje (Thread starter): Airbus has already obtained 90 orders for the planned competitor to Boeing Co's 787 'Dreamliner' and Forgeard said that by the end of the Air Show that could have risen to 110-120.
Keesje, any news on where they expect those other 20-30 orders from? I see that EK's order may be back on the table but is there news of any other upcoming orders?
Watch Leahy's right hand, aka Keesje, 6 months from now...
Defending delays, defending unmet goals, defending anyhing coming from Toulouse, even if Airbus would decide to cease operations, Keesje would find a way to defend that...
That is exactly the point.
There is no need for that kind of talk. Keesje ought to be able to voice his opinions without being attacked like that. There are a lot of us on A.net who would agree with him and enjoy his insightful posts!
Well when I try to log on to the relevant web page, it says there has been a 404 error and that the page cannot be found. Ironically at the top it says "Mommy talk". That this signify such A350 orders are indeed Mommy talk?
I would suggest you back your statements with quotes derived from professional aviation/ finance related publications. Otherwise one questions your statements.
Keep up the good work Keesje. I do not agree with your staunch support for all things Airbus but you sure make things exciting.
Sjoerd From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6344 times:
Keep up the good work Keesje !
IMO it is clear that Boeing wasn't able to undercut the A350 (and prevent it from being built), appealing to the WTO and low prices for the B787 didn't work, the A350 seems to be a go.
Keep in mind that before the A350 comes along Airbus still has about 250 A330s (and a few A300s) to deliver, while Boeing isn't really delivering anything in that seat market before the B787 comes on line late 2008, more than 3 years from now.
On the other hand the B772LR and B773ER seem to really surge ahead of the A345 and A346.
With the A380 to remain competitorless (a B744Adv is no match for it) the future for Airbus looks bright.
Flanders + Wallonnia + Brussels = the UNITED STATES of BELGIUM
DAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6340 times:
To clarify order to date, this is what I have seen:
PARIS AIR SHOW: Digest Of Top Stories At 1500 GMT
Tuesday June 14, 11:15 AM EDT
*** Airbus CEO Sees 110-120 A350 Orders By End Of Week Airbus CEO says that the order book for the planned A350 commercial jet is likely to reach between 110 and 120 units by the end of this week. Adds never wanted dual role at EADS, Airbus . *** Airbus Gets Order For A350 Planes From Alafco Airbus says it has received an order for 12 A350 planes from Aviation Lease And Finance, or Alafco, a Kuwaiti aviation leasing company. *** GE Commercial Aviation Orders 20 Boeing (BA) 737s GE Commercial Aviation Services orders 20 Boeing (BA) Next-Generation 737s worth $ 1.1 billion at list prices. *** India's Jet Airways Orders 20 Boeing (BA) Airplanes India's Jet Airways orders 20 Boeing (BA) airplanes and placed options for 10 additional aircraft. *** ILFC Orders Boeing (BA) 777s And Next-Generation 737s AIG's International Lease Finance confirms that it will order 20 next- generation 737-700s/-800s, six 777-300ERs and two 777-200ERs, together valued at nearly $2.9 billion at list prices. *** Rolls-Royce Gets Air France-KLM Unit Maintenance Pact Rolls-Royce says it has finalized service agreements with Regional, a wholly- owned subsidiary of Air France-KLM . *** India's Paramount Airways Orders 5 Embraer Jets Indian startup airline Paramount Airways signs preliminary agreements to lease five jets from Brazilian manufacturer Embraer.
Compiled by Dow Jones Newsplus editors.
Hope this helps out with the confusion.
Although I am a Boeing fan, and I do not like some of the crap Airbus does with the AI situation or subsidies for example, I would hate to see them or any other major manufacturer fail in a major project launch. I just prefer to see Boeing "slightly ahead" of them
It is no fun to see Boeing 787 walk all over Airbus A-350, so I am glad they are getting some competition with these orders. Congratulations to Airbus on getting it together, albeit a bit late....I was worried for a while that the A-350 had missed the mark.
KL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1586 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6147 times:
Dude ya'll gots to take a chill pill.
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1): But most everyone was expecting the 100+ to be right, and the 150 and higher to be wishful thinking. And that seems to be what is the final result, though there's still some time to go...
So far Airbus has booked 102 orders, as follows:
Qatar = 60
ALAFCO = 12
Air Europa = 10
American West/USair = 20
thats a total of 102 orders.
That is of course if they all get firmed up.
Emirates wants 50 airframes, therefore that would boost it up to 152. And with 6 month remaining I think another 48 frames is attainable.