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MX No Longer Leader In US-Mexico Market: AA Is!  
User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1393 posts, RR: 14
Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4043 times:

For the very first time, Mexicana lost its traditional position as number one in the intense US-MEXICO market. Official figures for 2004 show that AA is now leader, followed closely by CO. MX, despite opening a lot of new routes in US is lagging behind.

Here the top ten carriers in this market of over 13.5 M pax a year.

Pax carried between US-MEXICO (2004)

1. AA 2.73 M (including American Eagle)
2. CO 2.70 M (including COEx)
3. MX 2.69 M
4. AM 1.71 M
5. AS 1.23 M
6. DL 850K (including Delta Connection)
7. HP 800K (including Mesa)
8. US 684 K
9. U5 483K
10. 6A 431K

The rest of the legacy carriers have few interest in Mexico. UA carried only 351 thousand pax in 2004 (compared to its peak in 1994 when it flew 668,000 between the two countries). NW only carried 284K

A lot has been said about AA and CO intense strategy to have a stronghold in this market. Well, it has now become clear their are doing their job quite right, while MX is happy to develop ethnic routes whose freq is seldom 7x. Hope the best to MX defending its position. I hope we can see MX back to number one and AM also increasing its market share. BTW, we already have 6A among top 10!!!!!


PZ


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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5231 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4023 times:

Now that MX is partnered with AA, it looks as if they're STILL the market leader, albeit now they share that status with thier pAAl.


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User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4002 times:

Just flew in Y on the LAX-MZT-LAX sector.

And boy was I impressed.

2:30 hour sector with warm meal on both ways, plus free alcohol.

AA can you beat that?

MX surely has my business on my next trip south of the border.

Drew



AMS-LAX-MNL
User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3955 times:

I would love to see a breakdown in statistics for these airlines as to nationalities of fliers on these routes.

One must keep in mind that there are three COMPLETELY different types of travellers to/from Mexico - the tourist, heading for Cancun, Puerta Vallarta, or San José del Cabo (or other sunny destinations), the businessman, headed for Monterrey, Mexico City, or other business centers, and the Mexican citizen returning to locales in the interior, such as Morelia, Leon/Guanajuato, Zacatecas, and the like.

MX and AM will always focus on Mexican citizens - flight arrival times being the very early AM to allow time to transfer to the city center and the bus stations (there has been a thread about this before). The major business centers will have frequent flights catering to the business travellers - a buddy of mine in San Diego uses TIJ quite often and is a premiere "Frecuente" member of MX - says the schedules are very convenient for him - and finally, the American carriers are generally interested in coastal routes and getting Americans to the beach.

AA and CO have found a niche flying into smaller cities in Mexico, and I applaud them for doing so - sort of an exception to the rule. I hope the trend continues!!



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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5236 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3829 times:

Very interesting numbers! A few more info of pax flying the following carriers between Mexico and the US:

Performance of _______ in the last 4 years (2000-2004);

MX

00 – 2.88M
01 – 2.73M
02 – 2.42M
03 – 2.37M
04 – 2.69M

AM

00 – 2.14M
01 – 1.90M
02 – 1.83M
03 – 1.65M
04 – 1.71M

AA (excluding AEagle)
00 - 2.42M
01 - 2.23M
02 - 2.14M
03 - 2.32M
04 - 2.63M

CO (excluding COEx)

00 - 2.24M
01 - 2.17M
02 - 2.05M
03 - 1.69M
04 - 1.89M

AS

00 – 1.04M
01 – 1.06M
02 – 1.12M
03 - 1.20M
04 - 1.23M

DL (excluding Delta Connection)

00 – 648K
01 – 661K
02 – 695K
03 – 668K
04 – 778K

HP (excluding Mesa)

00 – 386K
01 – 424K
02 - 529
03 - 620
04 – 597

US

00 – 110K
01 – 166K
02 – 251K
03 – 439K
04 – 684K

U5

03 – 243
04 - 483

6A

00 – 70
01 - 103
02 – 179
03 – 311
04 - 431

UA

00 – 382
01 - 291
02 – 305
03 – 306
04 - 346

Many conclusions can be taken out from this numbers! As you might see, UA being two worldwide it’s the weakest from all US Airlines in Mexico!

Aviacsa’s performance it’s one of the most impressive! A shame the extra planes which were due for June have been delayed, because as soon as they increase the fleet 3 more US destinations will be added.

MX still number ONE LOL! Of course, that is, if compared to AA and CO with mainline! AA and CO + feeders overpass MX!

AM far from being our flag carrier! If it isn’t for Europe and CINTRA’S protectionism they would be anything! MX leads the Mexico-US, Mexico-Caribbean, Mexico-South America market. A shame they lost the lead in the Mexico-Canada two years ago and this last 2004 was far from being 1st, instead they are now 3rd after Air Transat and Air Canada!

Ricardo APM



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1393 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3727 times:

Ghost77,
Why do you exclude CO Ex and American Eagle from their mainline parents? I It is nonsense. YOu should include them as it is AA and CO and its subsidiaries against which CINTRA is competing, not only with CO mainline services to MEX, CUN, GDL and MTY... COEx carries almost 1 millions pax!!!!

Please, do tell me why you choose to exclude them?  Cool

PZ



Next flight: IAH-DBX-MRU-ANT
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5236 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3673 times:

Mr. Bhutan P.Z.,

I exclude them to make a more 'fare' comparizon between MX/AM mainline with AA/CO mainline. Certainly COEX/EAGLE are part of CO/American and if you join the numbers certainly they are kickiing CINTRA's ASS! You did one part I did the other part! Now we have the two sides of the coin!

Ricardo APM



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26150 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3630 times:

Interesting information. I believe it is important however to consider CO Ex and AA Eagle's numbers in the overall context of viewing the cross border traffic on their respective mainline airlines.

CO Ex and AA Eagle recently have been the marketing keys for each companies Mexico service thru adding service to tons of smaller markets which cannot yet support mainline service. AA and CO have successfully further fragmented the Mexico market by showing not that everyone travels to the tourist mecca of Cancun, nor just the capital of Mexico City.

Do you have any information on specific route numbers? For instance, the top city pairs between the countries, or top city pairs for each airline?

[Edited 2005-06-15 02:32:17]


From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1393 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

Laxint,

You asked for it, you got it.

Top city pairs 2004
(thousand pax)

1. MEX-LAX 753K
2. GDL-LAX 655K
3. MEX-IAH 588K
4. MEX-MIA 521K
5. MEX-NYC 468k

6. CUN-IAH 460K
7. CUN-DFW 441K
8. CUN-MIA 421K
9. MEX-DFW 418K
10. MEX-CHI 411K

11. SJD-LAX 375K
12. MEX-ATL 322K
13. CUN-NYC 286K
14. PVR-LAX 286K
15. CUN-PHL 280K



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3605 times:

It is only a matter of time before CO overtakes AA on the Mexican routes. I've heard that CO wants to gradually turn LAX into IAH when it comes to the Mexican market. we'll see

User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5236 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3581 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 7):
AA and CO have successfully further fragmented the Mexico market by showing not that everyone travels to the tourist mecca of Cancun, nor just the capital of Mexico City.

Well the majority of the americans when traveling by air think Mexico it's Mexico City and Cancún! When traveling by ground it's very funny to see them going to Tijuana and hear them saying they've been to ALL Mexico JAJA! I live in SAN for a year-year and a half, and that was back to the early 90s, I recently returned and mentality hasn't change that much! I know pretty well what people in the region think and talk about Mexico!


Ricardo APM



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3572 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 6):
exclude them to make a more 'fare' comparizon

no, you exclude them to distort the numbers. CO owns COex completely and often interchanges the two during peak and low traffic times on their Mexico routes. You can't just take COex out of their strategy to diminish their importance. CO will take over #1 very soon, as they continue to expand into Mexico from LAX as well as IAH with COex ERJ145XR planes.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5236 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3563 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
no, you exclude them to distort the numbers.

Whatever! READ MY POSTS! I'm not denying the fact that MX and AM are now behind when CO/COEX - AA-Eagle together!

Ricardo APM



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3557 times:

Unfortunately for MX and AM, Continental will completely dominate the market in a couple years. Just my opinion

User currently offlineJopavon From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 304 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3392 times:

One question, are AA numbers considering also codeshare flights with Mexicana? or are only on AA metal?


Come fly Mexicana, to Mexico!
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5236 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3339 times:

Quoting Jopavon (Reply 14):
One question, are AA numbers considering also codeshare flights with Mexicana? or are only on AA metal?

Numbers are for pax flying AA metal.


Ricardo APM



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2903 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3334 times:
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CO owns COex completely

Incorrect. CO formerly owned ExpressJet completely, but they were spun off and CO is the primary investor, but not sole owner.


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