Pzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1385 posts, RR: 15 Posted (8 years 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2589 times:
For the very first time, Mexicana lost its traditional position as number one in the intense US-MEXICO market. Official figures for 2004 show that AA is now leader, followed closely by CO. MX, despite opening a lot of new routes in US is lagging behind.
Here the top ten carriers in this market of over 13.5 M pax a year.
Pax carried between US-MEXICO (2004)
1. AA 2.73 M (including American Eagle)
2. CO 2.70 M (including COEx)
3. MX 2.69 M
4. AM 1.71 M
5. AS 1.23 M
6. DL 850K (including Delta Connection)
7. HP 800K (including Mesa)
8. US 684 K
9. U5 483K
10. 6A 431K
The rest of the legacy carriers have few interest in Mexico. UA carried only 351 thousand pax in 2004 (compared to its peak in 1994 when it flew 668,000 between the two countries). NW only carried 284K
A lot has been said about AA and CO intense strategy to have a stronghold in this market. Well, it has now become clear their are doing their job quite right, while MX is happy to develop ethnic routes whose freq is seldom 7x. Hope the best to MX defending its position. I hope we can see MX back to number one and AM also increasing its market share. BTW, we already have 6A among top 10!!!!!
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9 Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2501 times:
I would love to see a breakdown in statistics for these airlines as to nationalities of fliers on these routes.
One must keep in mind that there are three COMPLETELY different types of travellers to/from Mexico - the tourist, heading for Cancun, Puerta Vallarta, or San José del Cabo (or other sunny destinations), the businessman, headed for Monterrey, Mexico City, or other business centers, and the Mexican citizen returning to locales in the interior, such as Morelia, Leon/Guanajuato, Zacatecas, and the like.
MX and AM will always focus on Mexican citizens - flight arrival times being the very early AM to allow time to transfer to the city center and the bus stations (there has been a thread about this before). The major business centers will have frequent flights catering to the business travellers - a buddy of mine in San Diego uses TIJ quite often and is a premiere "Frecuente" member of MX - says the schedules are very convenient for him - and finally, the American carriers are generally interested in coastal routes and getting Americans to the beach.
AA and CO have found a niche flying into smaller cities in Mexico, and I applaud them for doing so - sort of an exception to the rule. I hope the trend continues!!
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Many conclusions can be taken out from this numbers! As you might see, UA being two worldwide it’s the weakest from all US Airlines in Mexico!
Aviacsa’s performance it’s one of the most impressive! A shame the extra planes which were due for June have been delayed, because as soon as they increase the fleet 3 more US destinations will be added.
MX still number ONE LOL! Of course, that is, if compared to AA and CO with mainline! AA and CO + feeders overpass MX!
AM far from being our flag carrier! If it isn’t for Europe and CINTRA’S protectionism they would be anything! MX leads the Mexico-US, Mexico-Caribbean, Mexico-South America market. A shame they lost the lead in the Mexico-Canada two years ago and this last 2004 was far from being 1st, instead they are now 3rd after Air Transat and Air Canada!
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Pzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1385 posts, RR: 15 Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2273 times:
Ghost77,
Why do you exclude CO Ex and American Eagle from their mainline parents? I It is nonsense. YOu should include them as it is AA and CO and its subsidiaries against which CINTRA is competing, not only with CO mainline services to MEX, CUN, GDL and MTY... COEx carries almost 1 millions pax!!!!
Please, do tell me why you choose to exclude them?
Ghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5130 posts, RR: 53 Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2219 times:
Mr. Bhutan P.Z.,
I exclude them to make a more 'fare' comparizon between MX/AM mainline with AA/CO mainline. Certainly COEX/EAGLE are part of CO/American and if you join the numbers certainly they are kickiing CINTRA's ASS! You did one part I did the other part! Now we have the two sides of the coin!
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Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22247 posts, RR: 51 Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2176 times:
Interesting information. I believe it is important however to consider CO Ex and AA Eagle's numbers in the overall context of viewing the cross border traffic on their respective mainline airlines.
CO Ex and AA Eagle recently have been the marketing keys for each companies Mexico service thru adding service to tons of smaller markets which cannot yet support mainline service. AA and CO have successfully further fragmented the Mexico market by showing not that everyone travels to the tourist mecca of Cancun, nor just the capital of Mexico City.
Do you have any information on specific route numbers? For instance, the top city pairs between the countries, or top city pairs for each airline?
[Edited 2005-06-15 02:32:17]
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Juventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2151 times:
It is only a matter of time before CO overtakes AA on the Mexican routes. I've heard that CO wants to gradually turn LAX into IAH when it comes to the Mexican market. we'll see
Ghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5130 posts, RR: 53 Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2127 times:
Quoting Laxintl (Reply 7): AA and CO have successfully further fragmented the Mexico market by showing not that everyone travels to the tourist mecca of Cancun, nor just the capital of Mexico City.
Well the majority of the americans when traveling by air think Mexico it's Mexico City and Cancún! When traveling by ground it's very funny to see them going to Tijuana and hear them saying they've been to ALL Mexico JAJA! I live in SAN for a year-year and a half, and that was back to the early 90s, I recently returned and mentality hasn't change that much! I know pretty well what people in the region think and talk about Mexico!
Ricardo APM
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Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21043 posts, RR: 60 Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2118 times:
Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 6): exclude them to make a more 'fare' comparizon
no, you exclude them to distort the numbers. CO owns COex completely and often interchanges the two during peak and low traffic times on their Mexico routes. You can't just take COex out of their strategy to diminish their importance. CO will take over #1 very soon, as they continue to expand into Mexico from LAX as well as IAH with COex ERJ145XR planes.
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