It seems there is a large untapped market if airlines are willing to offer good (and profitable) fares.
I am especially shocked about CDG flights. Tickets are not particularly cheap on this route, and yet they manage to fill 14x flights in widebody. I bet AM would like to increase that route if they had the a/c.
Also, in Mexico there has been a lot of speculation about why BA only flies 3x to MEX. It seems the most underperforming of the above routes despite only flown 3x. They are not selling cheap tickets either, so if the would have better loads, they would consider flying daily... But, ¡helas! that is not the case.
What are your expectations for 2005?. I think it is just matter of time till we see Air Madrid going at least 5x, and LH increasing again to 10x.
MEX-CDG loads reinforce my belief that the new service from MTY-MAD should be instead MTY-CDG: better loads to distribute pax in two separate flights and more connection chances in SkyTeam hub.
Stirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2960 times:
The goal of NAFTA was to equalize the standard of living across the borders of North America; (In a condensed nutshell..) reducing the impetus behind illegal immigration; generating significant opportunities for Mexican citizens at home.
While we still have a long way to go, these traffic numbers are a very good sign, since with the exception of the MAD-CUN route, these all appear to be avenues of commerce, not tourism.
Since airline travel is for many businesses and individuals a disposable income, these figures are a good sign of the increase of prosperity in Mexico.
But there is a long way to go. The lawlessness on both sides of the border being one such example.
And a lot more conclusions can be taken out from this illustrative numbers.
We can see a strong AF increasing seats and demand responding as they have expected. Same thing goes for BA, last 2004 was the best since 1993 when they decided to return to MEX, I attribute the high numbers of 99/00 for the LHR-CUN 3X seasonally flights they had with B767-300/777-200, they later drop that route, perhaps good loads but crappy yields and last year, they decided and bet again on MEX increasing frequencies to 5X and ending with 4X due to redistribution of fleet in their network in order to cover other destinations in Africa, Middle East and Asia, same thing goes for KL, they have always put their money in the Mexican market and apparently they have had very successful so far, IB, is another profitable airline in MEX, wonder what will be the numbers for Brazil? Is MEX their biggest Latam market?
LH, which seems they did suffered the consequences of the 9/11th, but at the same, it has been smart and in 5 years they increased their numbers in a 50%, finally we have AeroMexico, our sole national carrier flying to Europe at the moment, would be nice to break the numbers for MAD and CDG¡K but certainly they are doing the things slow and stupid! It¡¦s common sense to see more than 777 are needed to fly to MAD and CDG. Perhaps market isn¡¦t that BIG, but they could at least fight and stole pax from IB and AF¡K. even if they codeshare and blababla with the Skyteam partnership!
*/* Last but not least, put special attention in Air Pullmantur operations! This numbers are for schedule pax service not charter flights (which they have bigger numbers)., I don't know what route in 02 gave them 2,000 pax, but I bet the 2003 numbers are for the MAD-PVR flights which were the only schedule flights from the airline, finally, here¡¦s the interesting part, last year in 2004 it says they flew 35,000 pax, which I suppose are those pax from the weekly MAD-PVR and 2X MAD-GDL which started early, around March and ended up in November. So this clearly indicates it EXIST an UNDERSERVED market for the state of Jalisco. So the new AM flights from GDL aren't that risky! 2X a week with B767-200 = to 362 seats, x 4 = 1,448 x 12 = 17, 376 seats (o/w)! So they will not suffer, I think it's a very positive movement, same for MTY!. and I think that MTY could even support a weekly MTY-CDG! So, it¡'s all there! AM only needs to bring an extra seven six and get their wings in the air!
Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
Pzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1399 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2725 times:
I really have no idea why AZ has not tried to fly to MEX in the last 20 years. Currently, their financial situation would not allow them. However, I could see this route being a very profitable one, much more than other long haul routes such as JED, BOM or PEK.
In the 90's, MEX received even OK, SU and others willing to make profit in MEX... But no AZ....