Fbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3757 posts, RR: 27 Posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11117 times:
I've been reading on here and Flyertalk for some time now and a lot of people (especially on here) appear to be, or are related to, airline staff. As having no relations to airline employees myself I am interested to read some of your experiences but most of all was wondering how it all worked.
I can understand employees getting discounts on their own airline but read about Richard Branson flying Concorde on ID90s! How does this work? Super cheap fares on a rival carriers flagship???? However this correlates with other stories of people applying to go on standby for several different airlines. Do you pay a small fee to go on standby and if space opens up what fare do you pay?
I look forward to hearing your stories
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RAMPRAT980 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 600 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11091 times:
The airlines work out an agreement between each other. Fares can be based on an ID90 which means 90% off the full fare or a zone fare which varies depending on the mileage flown. One thing that you have to understand is that these fares are based on space available and paying customers go first even if you've already been assigned a seat.
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Jetblue15 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 273 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11087 times:
For my company (Jetblue) we are given buddy passes which are stand-by and can be given to anyone that we choose. There good for 1 year. As for flying other airlines. Most are ID90. From what I understand, you pay 10% of the highest fare. For some airlines that we have agreements with, we fly for free but standby. Some airlines your mom and day can fly others you can have one frined. It all depands.
Flyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1909 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11003 times:
and certain "buddy passes" etc are standby as said earlier, but at that, many have a rank on a stand by list, such as a stand by availabilty rank (SA1, SA2, SA3..etc) for instance, a dead heading crew member may be SA1, and you as a buddy pass may be SA3 or SA4, guess who gets that last seat???
GuyBetsy1 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 844 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10919 times:
When I was on the Concorde a few years back, I sat next to a woman who worked for BA and she paid for her ticket under a 'special' fare. She wouldn't tell me if it iwas an ID90 or ID75. But I suspect it was most likely the ID50. As the former two would not be guaranteed a seat.
She was a bit flabbergasted when she realised that I paid less for my revenue ticket than hers.. and I'm just a regular passenger! (Hint: do not issue ticket out of the UK).
Cornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10903 times:
When I worked at IATA, the big perk was to get staff tickets for ALL IATA member carriers - 280-odd airlines!!
Generally we got whatever was the staff rate for each carrier - but we restricted to tickets where we were flying - by that I mean we couldn't get family tickets for our parents, if we weren't going to be flying with them, as is the case with some airlines.
Best of all of course were the ID-100 tickets - free where we only paid taxes. Many a happy trip was taken to the likes of Prague with CSA for about 20 pounds.
The ID tickets were fully interline-able, which meant that should the flights be full on that which we were booked for (the cheapest tickets were usually standby) we could just go to another airline flying the route and see if they had space.
Ah those were the days.....
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JGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10865 times:
Quoting MGASJO (Reply 3): Couldn't tell you about that, but must Airlines were not allowed to fly ID90 on the Concorde
Normally not, but for the CEO, exceptions are made. PA's call to PA's across the ether, and Special Favours are done.
Quoting GuyBetsy1 (Reply 5): When I was on the Concorde a few years back, I sat next to a woman who worked for BA and she paid for her ticket under a 'special' fare. She wouldn't tell me if it iwas an ID90 or ID75. But I suspect it was most likely the ID50. As the former two would not be guaranteed a seat.
It was very likely a Hotline fare - available only to BA Staff and people who know BA staff - these are "distressed inventory" fares that the staff member must pay for, but the ticket can be for anyone. That's how I got to fly on Concorde - GBP600 for LHR-JFK in Y on a 747, JFK-LHR on Concorde. Barguine !! The person you sat next to shouldn't really have discussed the fare she paid, normally on discounted staff tickets you're not supposed to tell other passengers what you paid.
ID tickets were brilliant, if you don't mind travelling standby. Normally European carriers would always interline each others ID tickets, but US carriers were a little bit stricter (not all of them, just sometimes). In JNB, Air Zimbabwe were always very generous with their ID00 (freebie) tickets - I got tickets to Europe for myself, my parents and my sister at various times - you had to fly standby, via HRE, but there was pretty much always space on their flights (707's too, which was a bonus).
PassBureauMgr From United States of America, joined May 2005, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10731 times:
Some (most) airlines allow the employee & dependents to travel for free or minor service charge on a space available basis for pleasure travel. Priority is usally based on seniority. (depending on Seniority & other instances some issue one or several passes a year with a higher priority- employee bereavement is usually a higher priority or in some instances positive space)
As a pass department manager, I get requests from airlines all over the world for travel on our company. Depending on how that airline has responded or treated our staff in the past for pass requests is usually how I honor those. On some airlines, we have a written agreement for free, ID-ServiceCharge, or ID 90 or ID 75 for employees. Some airlines that request a pass for an employee will return an "open pass" for us to issue at any time for an employee who may request one in the future. (they usually have 12-36 month expiration dates on them) On passes issued to "OTHER" airlines, we do require ID with the airline issued ID for use of any of the passes. (Passes issued to OTHER airline employees have the lowest boarding priority)
Airlines willing to work with our company find us to be generous with our passes, however, those who do not reciprocate, find us to be just as they are.
Additionally, some stations have local pass agreements with other airlines at the stations they serve. Some airlines it is unlimited. Others we limit to 3-5-10-25-36 etc a month for what are known as OtherAirline Employee Passes. (these are based upon how the other airline works with us in that city as far as EXPEDITE bags, occasional use of ground equipment when needed, treatment of our employees requesting passes from them, and a myriad of other things.)
Mid Management & Upper management all carry a travel card that allows them to get passes almost immediately from other & competing airlines that work with our airline. These passes usually require little more than notification to a station manager, but in some instances the Pass Department must make the request. (these are used for company business only)
Comp Passes are usually positive space-VIP passes. (these are usually promos or give aways in exchange for advertising, community donations etc.)
Job Interview Passes are just that, and are most of the time space available with a fairly high priority.
A number of years ago, BA issued our company 75 Concorde Passes to be used over an 18 month period on a S/A basis. This was in exchange for our company granting a group of their employees a higher priority for a 6 month period on a route that they required quite a bit of travel for their staff.
TymnBalewne From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 976 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10697 times:
When I was my airline's manager at BWI I arranged local pass agreements with most of the carriers that served the airport. I (like PassBureauManager) worked on the basis of reciprocity. If another airline treated my team well, their staff were treated well on my flights. If another airline offered nothing, then that would be reciprocated. (WN was great to work with...to the point we'd usually u/g their staff even though they don't have a business or first class.)
When the holidays would come around, I'd make sure that each member of my team would get a domestic (USA) pass on a domestic carrier, and a pass for international travel. Since the airport only had about 5 international carriers (plus my own) and eight or so domestic carriers I'd call airlines at airports not served by my carrier. They'd usually jump at the chance to swap holiday passes.