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India - Star Of The Paris Air Show..!  
User currently offlineJoyA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 553 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7484 times:

I think my topic has already been discussed, but just today I saw the fresh Indian airline orders' summary on many daily Newspapers.
Have a look at this : http://www.telegraphindia.com/section/frontpage/index.asp

Any Views,Remarks??!

Regds
JOY  Smile


If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
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User currently offlineVivek0072 From India, joined Jun 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7465 times:

why is Mallya buying the A380 ? where will he keep it ? or will he build a separate airport all for his A380 ? or does he plan to fly with all models from India to S Africa for a photo session for his calender ?


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7308 times:

A380 at Mumbai,currently seems very very distant dream  Smile
Maybe the next 5 yrs Things would have changed by then.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4211 posts, RR: 89
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7120 times:
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Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 2):
A380 at Mumbai,currently seems very very distant dream

The dream becomes reality as Kingfisher confirm the following;

5 x A330
5 x A350
5 x A380

One thing for sure. After the past years orders and current orders at Paris I'll be heading to India to photograph plenty of airplanes in splendid liveries. It's great to witness the changes and expansion taking place.

Regards



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User currently offlineBandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6904 times:

Quoting PANAM_DC10 (Reply 3):
The dream becomes reality as Kingfisher confirm the following;

5 x A330
5 x A350
5 x A380

IMPRESSIVE, any speculations as to the routes that will be served by the awesome A380?



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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6811 times:

Quoting BandA (Reply 4):
any speculations as to the routes that will be served by the awesome A380?

Without a doubt LHR


User currently offlineJoyA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 553 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6794 times:

Rumours have been that it may also be used in the Domestic Indian sector by some ?? airline with 800 or so seats, is it True?


If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6749 times:

Quoting JoyA380B747 (Reply 6):
Rumours have been that it may also be used in the Domestic Indian sector by some ?? airline with 800 or so seats, is it True?

That desire has been expressed by KF and earlier it was made by DN MD Gopinath... There is talk of the concept of 'Rajdhani' in the air. It would probably be refering to

either

Getting the Rajdhani travellers to convert to flying

OR

just naming it after the premium Indian Train which also carries about 750-800 pax in luxury...


User currently offlineJohnStevens From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 43 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6741 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 5):
Quoting BandA (Reply 4):
any speculations as to the routes that will be served by the awesome A380?

Without a doubt LHR

At the press conference Mumbai to JFK was the route Noel Foregard said will be used by Kingfisher's A380s.


User currently offlineBandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6569 times:

cool, thanks for the answer guys.

man these sure are exciting times!



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6452 times:

Quoting JohnStevens (Reply 8):
At the press conference Mumbai to JFK was the route Noel Foregard said will be used by Kingfisher's A380s.

Mumbai has a lot of work to be done to get near.  Smile
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineCOKLHR From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6377 times:

It will be interesting to see how many of the new low-cost airlines in India actually survive after 5 years. With so many starting up the competition is going to be fierce. There's going to be shake-out at some point. This has already happened in Europe.

User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3269 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6310 times:

OK - here's another one - Indigo air - announced deal for 100 A320 aircraft!


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User currently offlinePRGLY From Czech Republic, joined Dec 2004, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6277 times:

Simply unbelievable 150 orders only from India within 4 days. Just hope they will utilize it all.
Cheers and good luck to all involved including Boeing, Airbus and Embraer.



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User currently offlineFlyingDoctorWu From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6238 times:

Quote:
Simply unbelievable 150 orders only from India within 4 days

I wonder how bad delays are going to be in India in the next decade. The infrastructure just isn't there. I've only been to Calcutta and Dehli but neither of those airports could support a significant large number of movements at this time. How many billons of dollars is going to be needed to spent over the next ten to twenty years.

How many runways do the major aiports in India have?
How many jetways do most airports have?
How many parking spots on the tarmac?
How many buses?
How many entrances?

Its going to get crowded.

See Palam Airport http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=134802


User currently offlineKeta From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6204 times:

Quoting FlyingDoctorWu (Reply 14):
I wonder how bad delays are going to be in India in the next decade. The infrastructure just isn't there. I've only been to Calcutta and Dehli but neither of those airports could support a significant large number of movements at this time. How many billons of dollars is going to be needed to spent over the next ten to twenty years.

Of course the infrastructure needs growing, but there is time for it. The A380 and A350 won't be able until at least 2010, it won't be until at least 10 years that all the airplanes will be delivered and used. Lots of money will be invested, that's natural. What did you think, that Indian airports would stay as they are today for ever? Air traffic is growing, particularly in India and China (that's what economists say), so they will definitely have to upgrade their airports. There's no problem with that, it's not wasted money, they will make profits with it.



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User currently offlineFlyingDoctorWu From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6170 times:

Quoting Keta (Reply 15):
Of course the infrastructure needs growing, but there is time for it. The A380 and A350 won't be able until at least 2010, it won't be until at least 10 years that all the airplanes will be delivered and used

Forget the A380/350- that represents about 1-2 max flights a day per airplane (unless they stick the A380 into high density domestic config)-> what's concerning is the number of single aisle jets that'll be hitting the runways within the next couple of years- 737/A320 series planes. Building runways and new airports or terminals- now that takes time and India isn't famous for moving fast. India doesnt have the benefit of having as many secondary airports as europe or the USA-> ramping up service could run into some serious traffic snarls.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6121 times:

Quoting COKLHR (Reply 11):
It will be interesting to see how many of the new low-cost airlines in India actually survive after 5 years

I give it Two Years.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6070 times:

so what is the final tally?

9W
6 B772LR
4 B773ER
10 B738
10 A330

KF
5 A330
5 A350
5 A380

IndiGo
100!! A320

phew!!!
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineSchipholjfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5996 times:

Quoting Keta (Reply 15):
Of course the infrastructure needs growing, but there is time for it. The A380 and A350 won't be able until at least 2010, it won't be until at least 10 years that all the airplanes will be delivered and used. Lots of money will be invested, that's natural. What did you think, that Indian airports would stay as they are today for ever?

Well... not much as changed in the last 25-30 years in Indian airports. It's still the same chaos I have experienced over the last 20 years traveling to India. So what makes you think it will change anytime soon. Especially the attitude of people who work there (paid miniscule salaries and could care less about passenger comfort or efficiency - talk to all the "security gaurds" who check you and STAMP your boarding passes 10 times on the way to the aircraft). As things work in India with govt. apporvals, local BS, etc it seems it takes forever to get anything done. And then there is corruption. In addition, where will all this money come from? India has a tremendous problem with poverty and illiteracy to name a few and will the govt. simply cut money from improving these situations to just build airports especially when the govt. still won't allow majority ownership by foreign companies of infra-structures like airports. How about building some power plants or a network of modern highway system within India first? It is amazing in 2005 cities like Delhi, Kolkata and Mumbai experience regular power cuts. The roads are in such horrible condition all over India while only few hundred miles away in Malaysia, Thailand and Singapore you can see modern, efficient road systems. So to tell us the Indian airports will change in time... think again! Hardly anything ever changes in India! By the way, as of today India has approx. 140 billion dollars in foreign reserves and most of that will be needed to finance oil imports and paying back foreign debt.



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3269 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5955 times:

Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 19):
So to tell us the Indian airports will change in time... think again! Hardly anything ever changes in India!

I don't think any one in their right minds is going to refute your statements. However - there's a lot of optimism in the air - and we're hopeful (of course not 100% confident) that things will improve. It's a chicken and egg thing - surely the investors have done some research before putting their money on the table?



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5948 times:

Quoting Aseem (Reply 18):
so what is the final tally?

9W
6 B772LR
4 B773ER
10 B738
10 A330

KF
5 A330
5 A350
5 A380

IndiGo
100!! A320

phew!!!
VT-ASJ

Dont forget the Paramount order.  Smile
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineKeta From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5924 times:

Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 19):
So to tell us the Indian airports will change in time... think again! Hardly anything ever changes in India!

Yup, things in India may have not been changed in a lot of time and are hard to change, but India is one of the economically fastest growing countries on Earth (isn't it?). If infrastructures don't improve, they'll have a hard time. I'd say that investors really want things to develop, and I'd assume that many dollars are going to be invested. They better, because otherwise they'll have problems for sure. No that I'm arguing with you, I just see all that necessary.



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User currently offlineShawnnyc From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5869 times:

Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 19):
ell... not much as changed in the last 25-30 years in Indian airports. It's still the same chaos I have experienced over the last 20 years traveling to India.

Well some things do change. I remember when it took 3 hours to clear customs because they checked each and ever thing. Then you went and paid the duty or the bribe (my family never paid the bribe). Now leaving the airport is very quick. Oh and let's give credit to BOM for finally building an overhand so that you could get into a car without getting soaked! As someone who went back every other summer during monsoons, I truly thank the management for that after SO many years of being drenched. I thought once the airport was renamed after Shivaji the local government would want ot improve the airport, I was wrong.


User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5838 times:

had IC's order for 43 A319/20/21 been finalized, it'd been wonderful. Would have been real show!
rgds
VT-ASJ



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25 NA : Seems like the Indian airlines have ordered more aircraft in 2005 than they did in the last 10 years together. Wow, that what I call a boom!
26 Thunderbird1 : That's it, I'm starting my own airline. Mayur Airways.
27 Sammyk : I wouldn't be surprised if they've ordered more planes this year than they have in their entire history, nevermind just the last ten years.
28 Post contains images Sammyk : At some point they will be forced. There will be tremendous pressure from the airlines and passengers to improve the airports. It will then be in the
29 Post contains images HAWK21M : Sure looks like the Biggest Fleet Acquisation by Indian Operators ever regds MEL
30 Jacobin777 : and what I call an eventual bust....just IMHO.....parabolic rises always come back "down to earth"....no pun intended..[Edited 2005-06-16 18:57:41]
31 HAWK21M : This Indigo order of 100 A320s,must be the Biggest Order by an Indian Operator Ever. regds MEL
32 Post contains images Monteycarlos : Yeah but linear ones don't Indeed. Between India and China I think these are the highest areas of growth at the moment so absolutely no surprise to s
33 Post contains images JoyA380B747 : I wonder what Indigo Air Chief is planning to do with the 100 320's he ordered. Count....lets say after it has all the aircrafts in service... maybe a
34 HAWK21M : Personally Im a bit confused with the Orders.41% seem to be Indian Operators. Too Many Aircraft Too soon. regds MEL
35 Jaysit : Also remember when politicians are forced to wait in traffic, or sit on a taxiway they'll start making changes. Those politicians never have to wait i
36 Post contains links Abrelosojos : = Check out http://www.nhai.org/ (I believe)
37 Ikramerica : India - Inside Joke Of The Paris Airshow...
38 Vivek0072 : It could be and may be a major contributor for Airbus loosing its money on betting on many start up airlines.
39 HAWK21M : At Work the Talk is all "Paris Airshow" The Indigo order has Eclipsed the Kingfisher A380 Announcement totally in discussions. regds MEL
40 Post contains links Vivek0072 : Indian airports all set for a makeover... Rediff Article
41 Alessandro : Surely, beer money goes a long way, in many places on the globe, Kingfisher the beer airline. Frankly I think India and it´s airports changed a lot s
42 CHI787ORD : I wish. As you know, everything in India is done slowly. ATQ has been under upgrade for the past 7 years and only 1 terminal is being built.
43 JoyA380B747 : Sorry, But My Topic Link to the Subject is no longer there....
44 Post contains images JoyA380B747 : I saw on the News, that a French co. is being considered for the upgradation of CCU. Regds JOY
45 HAWK21M : The Question is Time Frame.Just Time Frame. BTW What news on GO [Wadia group]. regds MEL
46 Vimanav : Ikramerica.. maybe you'd like to elaborate... rgds//Vimanav
47 Post contains images HAWK21M : Lets hope so In a Time Frame regds MEL
48 B747-437B : I'm not Ikramerica but having spent a fair amount of time at the manufacturers chalets in Paris last week, I can vouch for the fact that India was qu
49 Post contains images DIJKKIJK : Good, so now go and order a 100 A380s
50 Post contains images Ourboeing : If he does what Southwest Airlines does in the US, low fare A380s flying domestic routes (provided there are plenty of airports to accomodate it) wit
51 Post contains images HAWK21M : That would happen when the Crows turn White The number of Pax travelling by Rail/day out here is equal to the number of Pax travelling by Air/year. r
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