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JAL 763 Landing Gear Falls Off When Touching Down  
User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1792 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4788 times:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ap_on_re_as/japan_flight_trouble_2

TOKYO - Tires on the two front wheels of a Japan Airlines plane came off as the aircraft skidded to a landing at a Tokyo airport Wednesday, an airport official said.

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JAL spokesman Geoffrey Tudor said one man and a woman both suffered whiplash as the plane, carrying 222 passengers and crew on board, braked to a stop.

The JAL flight from New Chitose Airport in northern Hokkaido state was landing at Tokyo's Haneda airport when the incident occurred, Transport Ministry spokesman Kazuyoshi Furukawa said.

The Boeing 767 aircraft was at a standstill on the runway. Officials were investigating the cause of the accident, Furukawa and Tudor said.

Everyone on board had been safely evacuated from the aircraft, Tudor said.

A passenger interviewed by Nippon TV described a loud crunching sound as the plane skidded to a halt. NTV said the incident may have been caused after the tires burst.

Earlier, Furukawa had said that the two front wheels, instead of tires, had come off the plane


This sounds serious. Tires coming off a plane upon landing? Well, apparently on the 10 pm news, there was an airliner analyst saying that there is no way that a tire can come off a plane no matter how hard the landing is....... but the tires can burst.

Can't imagine what it would have been like to be on the plane when landing.

The JAL company rules demand that the tires on each aircraft be replaced within 400 takeoff/landing routines. According to what the JAL spokesmen announced, both of the tires were within the 150~200 times limit.

Does anybody know what rwy this took place in? I know that HND uses 16R, 16L a lot during the summer months (from my memory). Did this incident cause major delays?


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User currently offlineN317AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4746 times:

Two tires falling off is way different than a landing gear falling off.

User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2951 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4716 times:

It landed on Runway 34L. It closed that runway for little over 5 hours.
It was a soggy day in Tokyo yesterday.


User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4697 times:

Quoting N317AS (Reply 1):
o tires falling off is way different than a landing gear falling off

thanx

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 2):
It landed on Runway 34L. It closed that runway for little over 5 hours

Does that mean that they opened 24/06? I have never seen a take-off from 34L.



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User currently offlineAir2gxs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4500 times:

Quoting Ktachiya (Thread starter):
The JAL company rules demand that the tires on each aircraft be replaced within 400 takeoff/landing routines. According to what the JAL spokesmen announced, both of the tires were within the 150~200 times limit

I've never heard of this. Every operator I've ever worked for or with changes tires on condition. I can't even imagine tracking tire installations.

Quoting Ktachiya (Thread starter):
Well, apparently on the 10 pm news, there was an airliner analyst saying that there is no way that a tire can come off a plane no matter how hard the landing is....... but the tires can burst.

Absolute rubbish. I can think of a couple of reasons without even trying hard. The bearings may have failed or at the last replacement the wheel may not have been torqued correctly which would lead to a bearing failure.

Though it pains me to say it, it's probably a maintenance issue.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13968 posts, RR: 63
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4408 times:

What came off? Just the tyre or the whole wheel assemblies? In the later case it could have been a bearing failure, and since it happened on two wheels, probably due to bad torquing during maintenance, as AIR2GXS said. Or they have forgotten to install the safety bolts in the axle nuts, or VERY TYPICAL on 767s, forgot to install the axle spacer and washer on reinstallation of the wheels (has happened before), causing the bearings to be too loose. Some airlines make the spacer and washer installation an Required Inspection Item, this means having a second person verifying the installation and signing for it.
Tyres get normally changed on condition, except if the plane has been parked for a loooong time.

Jan


User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2224 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4109 times:
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Can anyone find out if the 2 (two) out of 222 that "suffered whiplash " were Japanese. Perhaps they did not have seatbelts on.


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User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4057 times:

Quoting Ktachiya (Thread starter):
saying that there is no way that a tire can come off a plane

Not true.An AU MD had to come back to AEP a few years ago as one of the tires got off and rolled down the RWY.

Mike



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4033 times:

Still not clear.Was it Tires or Wheels [Hub + Tires]
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3924 times:
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Quoting M404 (Reply 6):
Can anyone find out if the 2 (two) out of 222 that "suffered whiplash " were Japanese. Perhaps they did not have seatbelts on.

Whiplash is a neck injury, a passenger seatbelt won't prevent that.



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User currently offlineJe89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3884 times:
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Was posted a bit back, see this thread:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/2171050/

Aircraft in question is JA8986.


User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2951 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3831 times:

Ktachiya,
If the winds didn't change, all arrivals would be on Runway 34R and take-offs on Runway 34R or 04.


User currently offlineVirgin744 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3784 times:

Link to a picture showing the damage - those wheels look pretty bare to me;

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050615/481/tok80106150254


virgin744


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