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Can Somebody Go To Paris And Buy A 787, Please?!  
User currently offlineStartknob From Germany, joined May 2004, 156 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10922 times:

We're in the mid of the Paris Air Show and still no 787 order.
The A350 sells obviously much better than many, many A.netters expected.
The Qatar orders were NOT 777s. Some airlines from India ordered enormous amounts of Airbus seat capacity (compared to their current operations); IFLC orders Boeing, as usual. NW will not turn in their DC-9s for 787s.

I'm fully aware that Boeing has another policy of announcing sales. And the 787 is in lead over the 350. But just imagine this announcement bombardment from Airbus would go on in this intensity for the next three days. So: Where the heck are orders for the Dreamliner?


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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10892 times:

No.

Signed,

Every airline in the world.





(KIDDING ! Big grin )

I'm really surprised there hasn't been a 787 order announced at the show, but perhaps it is as suspected, that Airbus has been saving up orders to announce at their "home" show, whereas Boeing announce them as and when they can.


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10892 times:

Edit: Uhm.. I believe Boeing announces the orders as they get them - this is Airbus' time. The 787 has been sold, but the star of the show is the A350


Cheers! wave 
Gastón - The MD-11 Junkie

[Edited 2005-06-16 17:44:47]


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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10822 times:

As has been said previously, Boeing tends to announce orders as they come, they dont save them for an airshow announcement.

But, this does damage Boeing in a way, as it essentially gives massive publicity to Airbus precisely when there are a lot of reporters and influential industry analysts looking without anything coming from Boeing. Im actually quite surprised that Boeing hasnt made any order announcements for the 787 at Paris jsut to take the edge off of the Airbus publicity - maybe Boeing has something large up its sleeve for the end of the show?


User currently offlineBsmalls35 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10709 times:

This spring the 787 has had a lot of high profile orders and press. I am not concerned with all of the attention airbus and the A350 have received at the Paris air show because in a few weeks time when airlines announce additional orders for the 787, who will remember or care that none were announced at the Paris airshow.

User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10075 posts, RR: 97
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10689 times:
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Boeing announced many major 787 orders the week that the A380 flew, suggesting (to me) that they decided that they wanted to "spoil" this event more than the Paris Air Show for Airbus. Just a thought...

User currently offlineLeej From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2001, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10603 times:

It still amazes me that B seem to think that these shows are not important for displaying their wares. The one time when all the worlds press, airlines etc etc are in one place and they make no effort at all. In my industry (yachting) if you are not at ExCel every January - you are nobody - even the smallest company makes the effort. This is how you get to know who and what is going on. Still, I guess they know best.....

User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10524 times:

Quoting Startknob (Thread starter):
The Qatar orders were NOT 777s.

Startknob,

The news release states clearly that Qatar ordered 777s, even Qatar airways website confirms this....where did you hear that they were 330s or some other aircraft?

http://www.qatarairways.com/6.2315.0.0.1.0.htm

[Edited 2005-06-16 18:31:58]


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User currently offlineMatt72033 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10489 times:

i would if i cud afford one!!  Wink

User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10477 times:

It has been a bit of time since we've heard a good 787 order. Not long ago, we were talking about Boeing opening a second 787 production line.

User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10446 times:

I would prefer to go to Paris and order my self a nice batch of A380.


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User currently offlineBeauing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10399 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 3):
But, this does damage Boeing in a way, as it essentially gives massive publicity to Airbus precisely when there are a lot of reporters and influential industry analysts looking without anything coming from Boeing. Im actually quite surprised that Boeing hasnt made any order announcements for the 787 at Paris jsut to take the edge off of the Airbus publicity

Boeing lets the customer decide when to announce the order. Do you really think airlines are influenced by a barrage of orders at one air show? They buy the planes based on what is best for their fleet after a thorough analysis, not by jumping on a hype bandwagon.


User currently offlineZoom1018 From Taiwan, joined May 2005, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10396 times:

Quoting Startknob (Thread starter):
I'm fully aware that Boeing has another policy of announcing sales. And the 787 is in lead over the 350. But just imagine this announcement bombardment from Airbus would go on in this intensity for the next three days. So: Where the heck are orders for the Dreamliner?

remember, 787 has been displayed for awhile and as 350 was not officially offered, people know in theory that 350 was there.... and so people have ordered 787s for awhile... and now it is just the time for 350 to show around.


User currently offlineStartknob From Germany, joined May 2004, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10384 times:

@Bmacleod: Sorry, my fault. It was up to 60 350s and 20 777s AFAIK. So the simple word "all" was missedbtw. NOT and 777s. OK?  Wink


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User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4165 posts, RR: 90
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10367 times:
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Mr Udvar-Hazy from ILFC stated at Paris that they'll order the 787 before year end. They just need to finalise pricing and he even stated that wasn't too much of an issue. Ok, so not firm but one of the 2 largest Leasing Companies in the business stated they'd buy it, at Paris, after buying 28 other Boeings.

As others have stated. Boeing let the customer announce when it suits them though I get the feeling they changed to goal posts on that one a little for this show. I would have liked to see the 6 UFO 787s announced though I guess I'll have to wait like the rest of us.

Regards



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User currently offlineBohlman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10314 times:

do you think boeing really cares about the press in this case? they've been getting better publicity than airbus all year, because the media likes to portray this as a huge turn around (which it may or may not be, not the discussion for here though). in the end run, the public doesn't know diddly squat about current airplanes, let alone ones in developement. the public knows that airbus has a new super jumbo, boeing has a new airplane that's supposed to make things much more comfortable for passengers, and they may or may not know about the technological achievements of either airplane. boeing has been holding its own in terms of total orders, they've just been centered away from the 787. i know that boeing says that passengers will know and love the 787 when it's released, and that may be true, but for now, it's just a plane in developement. the average citizen of the world couldn't tell you that Axxx means it's built by airbus. that's not a slight against airbus, that's simply the truth. i was talking to my uncle this weekend, who's actually a pilot, and he talked about how apparently there've been a lot of orders for the a 530 or something like that.

the manufacturers know the pros and cons of each airplane, i don't think they give a damn about press on an airplane in developement unless it's decisively negative (boeing's building a death trap! airbus is building a terrorist magnet!)


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10311 times:

Maybe AI could have announced theirs  Smile
regds
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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5774 posts, RR: 47
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10235 times:

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 5):
Boeing announced many major 787 orders the week that the A380 flew, suggesting (to me) that they decided that they wanted to "spoil" this event more than the Paris Air Show for Airbus. Just a thought...

It was only AC, AI only made their decision that same week...that is something that Boeing did not have any control over.

The A350 may have garnered a lot of attention during this week but the real battle (between the 787 and A350) will be in the weeks and months that follow as well as flight testing, revenue service and further orders after all of that.



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User currently offlineBeauing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10185 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 16):
The A350 may have garnered a lot of attention during this week but the real battle (between the 787 and A350) will be in the weeks and months that follow as well as flight testing, revenue service and further orders after all of that.

I predict the 787/A350 battle will go the same route as the 777/A340. Once the Airbus enters service and the airlines realize it doesn't live up to its performance goals they will begin dumping them en masse and going Boeing.

Quote:
Leahy said the A350 will better the 787 in any number of comparisons based on seat-mile costs -- lower fuel burn per seat, lower maintenance costs per seat and even less empty airplane weight per seat.

"Not a chance," countered Boeing.

The A350 will be from 20 to 30 tons heavier than the 787 and it would require a "rewrite of physics" for the Airbus plane to beat the 787 in the kinds of comparisons mentioned by Leahy.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/busine....html


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10172 times:

Yawn, the 787 orders will come throughout the year-nothing to worry about. The A-350 has it's turn right now. And yes, a previous post suggetsed that as the year goes on no one will remember who ordered what except all us anetters of course.

The real story here (at least in my mind) is the glut of unexpected 777 orders against the A-350. I thought Airbus said this airplane was directed at 777-200??



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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10122 times:

Quoting Beauing (Reply 18):
I predict the 787/A350 battle will go the same route as the 777/A340. Once the Airbus enters service and the airlines realize it doesn't live up to its performance goals they will begin dumping them en masse and going Boeing.

Them's fightin' words!

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 19):
The real story here (at least in my mind) is the glut of unexpected 777 orders against the A-350. I thought Airbus said this airplane was directed at 777-200??

Most have been for the 777NG but yes I was also surprised by the small numbers of 772ER orders.


User currently offlineNW727251ADV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10052 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 20):
Most have been for the 777NG

I'm still trying to figure out what a 777NG is...last time I checked Boeing never offered a "New Generation" 777. Why do so many A.netters keep refering to the 777 as such???? The 772LR and 773ER are not "New Generation" 777s just because they came out so late. They were planned from the beginning it just took time to materialize. So why the "NG" designation?

User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10008 times:

That may be so but 777NG does refer to 772LR and 773ER, probably because it is considered that:

1) They will completely undercut previous variants for the respective sizes.

2) They are direct competitors to the A345 and A346, which are called the A340NG.


User currently offlineAvalon From Australia, joined May 2005, 87 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9995 times:

Quoting Beauing (Reply 18):
I predict the 787/A350 battle will go the same route as the 777/A340. Once the Airbus enters service and the airlines realize it doesn't live up to its performance goals they will begin dumping them en masse and going Boeing.

Please let's keep some sort of credibility to the statements we post...baseless assertions like this are just plain stupid.


User currently offlineMark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9974 times:

Let's face it, Boeing --if it is indeed able to make the 787 as advertised -- has filled up just about all the early delivery slots for it so for any airlines not already aboard Airbus' midsize offerings (or even chimeras of offerings, since that's what the A350 still is right now) start looking like viable alternatives.
And of course politically Airbus is a more palatable supplier for a lot of folks too since it's kinda skanky ordering stuff from guys in a war-manic society instead, and so forth.


25 WINGS : Lets not carried away here. Boeing is actually putting its neck out more than Airbus. Boeing has taken a more revolutionary step into the constructio
26 WhiteHatter : The 787 is also in its 'plateau' stage for orders now. What I mean by that is that manufacturers sign up customers for prelaunch, and then orders tank
27 NYC777 : Please, if international or national politics had anything to do with the majority of order than no one would order any goos or services from other c
28 Post contains images BestWestern : They should do... thats why companies spend a fortune on marketing and PR. Really - I could have sworn that the largest media event in transport term
29 Post contains images Mark_D. : NYC777-- Please, if international or national politics had anything to do with the majority of order than no one would order any goos or services from
30 Post contains images Glideslope : There really is nothing to fight about. Airlines simply no longer trust Airbus performance claims. The A346 fiasco was the killer for Airbus. Why do
31 N270FT : Has Airbus relleased any images of the A350, or will it look like the A330? A.W.
32 BestWestern : What a stupid statement!
33 Glom : Oh please! The Middle-East is a major customer for Boeing and they're the ones who would be the most pissed off about it. Evidently, they are more ab
34 Bohlman : not in the states they haven't.
35 Post contains images Solnabo : Glideslope: Youre statement is full of BS, and U know it! The 346 fiasco as you state; CX non-stop HKG-JFK (EWR) is a "fiasco"? Puhleezee... Micke//SE
36 Mark_D. : Glom --Oh please! The Middle-East is a major customer for Boeing and they're the ones who would be the most pissed off about it. They are, and they ar
37 Avalon : Is that because all the US carriers are too broke to buy any?
38 Schipholjfk : It does no damage to Boeing. For Airbus. People in the business know what is going on at all times. This is noting but a trade show. Have you ever be
39 Aerofan : I hope we all can remember what has been said concerning the 380/787/350. Let's meet 10 years from now and revisit this topic. It would be interesting
40 Legacy135 : I am actually wondering why such sales are always announced during events like the Paris Air show. If somebody had the money in his pocket, he would p
41 Glom : You mean they were coerced into basing their fleet planning on what suits their needs best rather than biasing their decision by considering unrelate
42 Post contains images Mark_D. : Aerofan-- I hope we all can remember what has been said concerning the 380/787/350. Let's meet 10 years from now and revisit this topic. It would be i
43 BestWestern : CNN? Richard Quest....
44 Avalon : Do any of you guys who have come out with the "airshows really don't matter" believe what you are writing?
45 NYC777 : They're nice but what matters at the end of the year is how many firm orders B has and how many firm ordes A has not when they got them. B was able t
46 Daedaeg : The airshow is one week out of 52. Often times orders from airshows don't come into fruition. Let's be honest, these startup airlines are using the a
47 BestWestern : I for one believe that Boeing will have more orders than Airbus this year, because they offer excellent product. But it wont be at the 58% market shar
48 Post contains images DCrawley : Congratulations to both Airbus and Boeing on their success with orders! Always great to see another bird in the sky! On another note.. Has anyone else
49 Post contains images A388 : I think Boeing isn't worried about not announcing orders for the 787 at the Paris Air Show. With AA and DL both operating a massive fleet of 767/757s
50 Post contains links Bohlman : richard quest is predominantly part of cnn WORLD. that's a business program geared to business travelers, or just travelers in general. they DO care
51 Post contains images BMIFlyer : Id certainly buy one, and configure it in a VIP layout Now, if someone could lend me a few million £...... Lee
52 Boeing7E7 : The real show has been the orders rolling in for the past six months.
53 WAH64D : Not on this side of the pond they haven't!!!
54 Glom : Airbus's press coverage has been about the A380 rollout and first flight. In terms of orders, there's no difference.
55 MartinairYYZ : No, Signed, everyone that hates Booeing !! Haha... I'd prefer for A350 orders..... enough US Plastic for the time being, eh? I like the way PAS 3005 i
56 Post contains images BoeingFever777 : I guess the (20) 777's QR ordered and are reporting on there website was a joke? Choose your words carefully!
57 NorCal : I've got $10, anyone else want to pitch in and buy a 787 for a.net? We could even come up with a livery. Do you think we qualify for launch discounts?
58 Centrair : I have a plan to buy one but my bank is being fussy something about not enough capital.
59 N270FT : I'd pay 10 dollars A.W. :>
60 SLCSkyCaptain : I will have to admit to begin; I am a starch Boeing fan. Besides that, I think this whole argument is what I call "retarded". First of all, the bloody
61 Irishpower : Patience Patience--- My friends!!!!!! Remember this is a marathon race not a sprint. Orders will come. Round 1 went to the 787. Round 2 (Paris 2005) w
62 Bill142 : Sure, the airlines are going to order the 787 just to make Boeing look good at the air shows. I don't think so. They will do whats right for them, and
63 TPASXM787 : Fine, you all have talked me into it. I'll get out the Visa card and we'll go buy one. What is list price anyways? $200-mil USD roughly? Wow...I'd sud
64 Airbus3801 : Right, um, Boeing didn't exactly just release a completly and radically new aircraft this year, and I don't see how you can say that Airbus has someh
65 BlueSky1976 : Don't forget that this will be the second generation long range widebody made by Airbus. I'm pretty sure engineers in Toulouse have learned a thing o
66 Centrair : How many free flights is that? Could those miles be used on Star alliance? Free first class seating for life or would the miles exprire at the end of
67 Centrair : Tried to order one with my credit card. "OVER LIMIT. PLEASE CONTACT YOUR BANK OR LESSOR TO COMPLETE TRANSACTION." So I called ILFC but they were like
68 Freedom4all : Give me a break, what a surprise...the 787 goes three days with out an order and people have to start things....boeing is out selling airbus this year
69 Post contains images Monteycarlos : Make sure you get the frequent flyer miles when you try again! I wonder when I'll be able to get one on eBay?
70 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Thank you Canada. We couldn't ask for a better neighbor . Seriously, Mark, Boeing bashing is one thing, US bashing is another. We're not a war-manic
71 Co757 : Airbus seemed to be killing boeing in the last couple years. But Recent orders from many airlines.. Alaska, SWA, Lion, NWA, Continental, Vietnam, Aero
72 Post contains images Udo : In Boeing's order book... I doubt "the public" knows so much about proposed higher comfort levels of the B787. Impressive how you can predict events
73 B737700doctor : I am a jetdoctor and I have work both airbus and Boeing you all can keep your airbus Boeing is superior built aircraft. Airbus has come a long way tho
74 Avalon : which doctor are you?
75 Post contains images Udo : And the meaning of that sentence is? "tech's dream", I see. Whatever that is... Regards Udo
76 MidnightMike : Then you did not attend the Paris Air Show this year, Boeing had booths, chalets, the 777 & the KC767 on static display as well as military fighers &
77 Cornish : Always the same at Farnborough too - Boeing usually have plenty displayed there and a large stand too. They don't tend to take part in the flying dis
78 MidnightMike : Cornish Exactly! Now, if there was to be the Seattle Air Show, it would be a different story & you would see Boeing flying the aircraft to entertain t
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