AirbusDriver From United States, joined Feb 2001, 255 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6318 times:
See what order A will get tommorow.
I still think that B will win the most order this year.
But if B get 500+ order this year and A 400+, what a year!!!
They already have over 600 and Airbus is only 5 from reaching the 400 mark. The total sales between the two already top 1000. What a six months is the exasperation you're looking for.
BMIFlyer From United Kingdom (England), joined Feb 2004, 8170 posts, RR: 71 Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6254 times:
Congrats to Airbus
I fully support both carriers, they both make great aircraft
Ikramerica From United States, joined May 2005, 18463 posts, RR: 60 Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6229 times:
I think if Airbus DIDN'T outsell Boeing at this show, it would have been a surprise, considering the official unofficial launch of the A350 and the location of the show.
I am surprised at the dearth of A380 and A340 orders. Maybe tomorrow (or last order day, if not tomorrow) is the A380 big Hollywood ending day? A few A380 orders from viable airlines?
Not surprised by no A300, A310, 767, 747 or 787 orders (though the 787 is probably the one I might have thought could pick up at least a few).
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5434 posts, RR: 54 Reply 7, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6230 times:
Quoting Glom (Reply 3): They already have over 600 and Airbus is only 5 from reaching the 400 mark. The total sales between the two already top 1000.
Not all of those are orders. Alot of them are just commitments and have to be firmed up, though that can be considered only a question of time. As of June 15th, Boeing has received 385 firm orders this year, as well as 22 cancellations, for a net total of 363, and they have another 260 commitments as well, and the year is not even half over. Definitely a very good year for Boeing, and certainly not a bad one for Airbus either.
BoeingBus From United States, joined May 2004, 1565 posts, RR: 18 Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6232 times:
But you have to look at the quality of sales too... there is more than just a numbers... again Qatar said up to 60 A350 - so don't count those ponies up as of yet... also 100 A320's, and 15 widebodies to a Indian start ups - risky... The biggest risk, is that not one airline purchased a A340!!! why is that???
Again, just playing devils advocate... only one week out of 52...
The true winner of this show is "twins for longhaul" and not the "4 engines for longhaul"! not Boeing nor Airbus!!!!
AirbusDriver From United States, joined Feb 2001, 255 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6170 times:
But on the other side the B787 orders to Primaris (20), NW, CO.
B737 (60) orders to Lion Air ( I sorry who? )
B737 to AS
B777 to QR since you mentioned it are all very safe.
If they pay the deposit ( even new Indian LCC ) why refuse the order, worst case Keep the money!!!
Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 8): But you have to look at the quality of sales too... there is more than just a numbers... again Qatar said up to 60 A350 - so don't count those ponies up as of yet... also 100 A320's, and 15 widebodies to a Indian start ups - risky... The biggest risk, is that not one airline purchased a A340!!! why is that???
727EMflyer From United States, joined Mar 2005, 547 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6141 times:
How many of these airbus orders have been waiting for the airshow, though? Over the past couple of months everyone has been preaching the end for them based on boeing's mad sales dash! Paris seems like a marketing event for A to me. Of course they want to look like a huge success at the show in their home turf! In the end, A and B are neck and neck, and that is good news for everyone.
Ha763 From United States, joined Jan 2003, 2801 posts, RR: 8 Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6114 times:
Airbus announcing more orders than Boeing at Paris or Farnbourgh isn't exactly surprising, nor unexpected. Ever since Boeing stopped hording order announcements for Paris/Farnbourgh and changed to allow customers to determine when to announce orders, Airbus has always announced more orders at the air shows. Now, if Boeing ended up announcing more orders than Airbus at the air shows, that would be a big surprise.
Glom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2257 posts, RR: 11 Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6071 times:
Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 8): The true winner of this show is "twins for longhaul" and not the "4 engines for longhaul"! not Boeing nor Airbus!!!!
In that way, it is a moral victory for Boeing since they are the ones who have been pushing the big twins, while Airbus has previously been sticking to that mantra.
AirbusDriver From United States, joined Feb 2001, 255 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6045 times:
Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 11): Hey AirbusDriver, talking about the orders announced at the show...
I thought this thread was for orders announced at the show????
Don't you have anything else to say? Like the Lion Air Order?
Wingman From United States, joined May 1999, 1400 posts, RR: 7 Reply 17, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5964 times:
These show numbers are a joke. News agencies like Reuters are reporting Airbus outsold Boeing by $29B to $15B at the show but in all these Airbus orders no one has the breakdown of firm vs. options. Anyway, it's all bullshit till the planes actually roll out the door and the invoices get paid. I'm more and more intrigued every day by these mind-roasting orders Airbus has from EK, QR and these unknown Indian carriers. These four airlines are now sitting on commitments and firm orders for up to 150-160 widebodies and over 100 narrowbodies. Sounds like a crack high to me but again, if they all roll out the door and bills get paid then that's all that counts. We shall see.
AirbusDriver From United States, joined Feb 2001, 255 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5920 times:
Quoting Wingman (Reply 17): 'm more and more intrigued every day by these mind-roasting orders Airbus has from EK, QR and these unknown Indian carriers.
But some industry watchers were skeptical. Richard Aboulafia of U.S. aerospace consultancy Teal Group said commitments from ambitious startups like IndiGo and Kingfisher Airlines -- another Indian no-frills carrier which became the 16th customer for the 555-seater Airbus A380 "superjumbo" -- were less likely to lead to final deliveries than those from established carriers.
"It's very unlikely those five A380s will ever see the light of day," said Aboulafia -- although he said Airbus scored hits with blue-chip orders for its A350, the planned rival to Boeing's 787 Dreamliner, from aircraft leasing company GECAS and Qatar Airways.
AirbusDriver From United States, joined Feb 2001, 255 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5814 times:
Beauing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5721 times:
Quote: "IndiGo is the result of extensive analysis and planning by very experienced airline executives and we're convinced it will be a successful new player," Airbus CEO Noel Forgeard said.
But some industry watchers were skeptical. Richard Aboulafia of U.S. aerospace consultancy Teal Group said commitments from ambitious startups like IndiGo and Kingfisher Airlines - another Indian no-frills carrier which became the 16th customer for the 555-seater Airbus A380 "superjumbo" - were less likely to lead to final deliveries than those from established carriers.
"It's very unlikely those five A380s will ever see the light of day," said Aboulafia - although he said Airbus scored hits with blue-chip orders for its A350, the planned rival to Boeing's 787 Dreamliner, from aircraft leasing company GECAS and Qatar Airways.
GECAS has yet to order the Dreamliner even though it is scheduled to enter service two years before the A350.
Nevertheless, Aboulafia said, "Boeing's still ahead on quality and behind on numbers.
MidnightMike From United States, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 37 Reply 22, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5713 times:
Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 16): Am I the only one who is thinking about how Airbus and Boeing will be really busy building all these aircraft? LOL
I mean almost 1000... my god, that's a lot!
But good news for both of them of course
Some of the aircraft will not be delivered till 2010, 2012. Anything that has A350 on it, will not be till 2010, anything with 787, after 2008.
Aircraft orders are one thing, the next thing that happens is that Boeing/Airbus makes a delivery schedule with the airline & crew training has to take place...
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 27815 posts, RR: 61 Reply 23, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5425 times:
Currently stands at
Airbus:- 261
Boeing:- 148
ATR:- 20
Embraer:- 25
Bombardier- 4 Source
Seems like the Indigo Air Order tipped the scales totally.
regds
MEL
SEAPlane10 From United States, joined Jun 2005, 86 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (4 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5381 times:
Quoting BoeingBus (Reply 8): The true winner of this show is "twins for longhaul" and not the "4 engines for longhaul"! not Boeing nor Airbus!!!!
Good point!! It's amazing how quickly the focus of the A v. B threads seems to be shifting away from the 787 (point-to-point) vs. A380 (hub-to-hub) contention to solely a debate about the economics, efficiencies, and performance of the 787 and A350!
You just forget the fact that Qatar only ordered 20 777's for now and the 777 is already a succesful plane that doesnt NEED the Qatar order... it represents a very small fraction of 777s alrdy delivered and on order. EK has already taken delivery of many of its 777's and is PAYING FOR THEM with not to many left on order I believe. So to compare those orders with EK's order for 45 380s and potentially 50 350's as well as Qatars 60 A350's is laughable. Your looking at EK holding orders for 95 widebodies that havent entered commercial service or proven themselves and Qatar holding 60% of the 350's orders, as it stands now. The 350 having come off a slow start is just now starting to get momentum but still needs to win an order from either EK or SIA to rlly be set in its ground. With Qatar and EK holding two of airbuses most important programs in there hands, can u honestly name me an airline where the same can be said in relation to Boeing? Perhaps if CX makes a big order for 747ADVS or something it might be valid but until then try to think through your comparisions.
Either way, its looking to be a great year for Airbus, Boeing, Embraer, and hopefully Bombardier soon Order the C-Series someone pls
26 Udo: Death of A380 orders? They have 159 firm orders, including two new customers in 2005. Their goal has been to find one new customer each year and they
27 SEAPlane10: Guten Morgen! Death or Dearth?....big difference Mit freundlichen Gruessen
28 Ikramerica: So I am to understand that CO and AS are not worth the paper they are printed on? Right. As for the others, I agree. You've found a few stinkers or r
29 Udo: Which doesn't change the message of my reply. Viele Grüße Udo
30 Avalon: I am very impressed at the turnaround in the fortunes of the A350, partially because so many persons on these postings had been dumping on the plane s
31 GQfluffy: These two took the words out of my mouth. Glad to see both companies selling well. But like they said above, Boeing doesn't save orders for the shows
32 Scbriml: Avalon, you need to get you some better sex!
33 Glideslope: Why? The 340 is dead, and most airlines are waiting to see real world performance numbers from the 380. It's quite simple. The strong 777 sales at Pa
34 Sudden: As always it turns out to be a A v B thread. But what you should not forget is the agreement Boeing made with Airbus regarding sale factors a couple o
35 727LOVER: From the article: Boeing's still ahead on quality and behind on numbers. Anybody wanna dispute that quality remark/
36 Joni: I was wondering about the same issue, but from a different angle. Mr. Aboulafia was again at it rubbishing Airbus and what was today's headline? The
37 MIASkies: I don't know why this post was even allowed... it has been stated over and over again, that airbus will always outshine Boeing at the Paris Air Show.
38 DJ738: Which manufacturer sells the most product at Paris, or any given airshow for that matter is of zero consequence in the grand scheme of things. No airl
39 Astuteman: Disputing is irrelevant - Time will tell. I don't suppose Easyjet or Ryanair were quality customers a few years back...........
40 Kalakaua: I applaud and respect Airbus... But I don't want to kiss their a$$. Give it all you got Boeing and beat Airbus this year and reclaim your title as #1!
41 RedAirForce: This is a really silly post, kind of like saying "Yankees win 5th inning against Red Sox"; its who wins the game that matters ( if any of this really
42 Jacobin777: after all, this is an aviation forum and there will be allegiances towards certain aircraft manufacturers and air carriers...not to mention certain a
43 JeffDCA: No big news there, we all know that Airbus like to show their new orders at airshows where as Boeing don't particularly. Just the dang old press tryin
44 Neverest: Quoting Kalakaua (reply 40) And don't mind me folks. I really want a big dividend check at the end of each month this year. How do you manage this, I
45 DarthRandall: I know, right? Even European A.neters were starting to give up on it. You know, it really says something for Airbus' reputation that so many airlines
46 Keesje: I stopped quoting Aboulafia as independant after I found out he was co-editor on a study dimissing the A380, paid by Boeing. For those not having bee
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