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OS In Talks With UA About Possible ORD-VIE Route  
User currently offlineVORFMD From Austria, joined Feb 2005, 331 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5396 times:

"Austrian Airlines Group CEO Vagn Soerensen told ATWOnline that Austrian is evaluating adding a third destination to its long-haul network next year. Possibilities include Nagoya, Hong Kong, or even a city like Chengdu, Soerensen said. Currently, the carrier serves Beijing and Shanghai. He also said Austrian is talking with United Airlines about a possible codeshare on the Chicago-Vienna route.

source: ATWonline

hope that it will become true and UA is operating this Route

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User currently offlineHoya From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5298 times:

I doubt whether UA will fly the route. They don't have enough planes. They just recently cancelled ORD-EZE due to lack of aircraft. Seeing OS again in ORD would be nice.


Hoya Saxa!!
User currently offlineAC787 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 337 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5118 times:

I find it odd that they OS doesn't serve ORD yet they continue services to both YUL and YYZ. Would have thought that ORD could sustain a flight profitably. Either way I'm looking forward to my first time on Austrian from YYZ-VIE-CAI.

User currently offlineVORFMD From Austria, joined Feb 2005, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5027 times:

The thing is that OS has no Aircraft available to expand their longhoul network so they are looking for Partners esp. in Star who can take some
routes. UA and ORD makes some sense as there is the economic side and
a tourist and transfer aspect and therefore ORD is strongly on a "high priority List" for OS, although not necessarily operated by OS Aircraft.


User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2038 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5015 times:

It would be *excellent* to see Austrian back at O'Hare. They pulled out in 2001 - I still miss seeing their aircraft coming in over the northeast suburbs for landing on 22L. It'd be great to see their new colors here on an A330.

User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4974 times:

It would indeed be great to have OS fly back to Chicago or have UA fly to Vienna  Smile

Not quite sure what will happen though as they already serve 4 North American flights, and are short of aircraft as somebody has mentioned. Orders for A330/A350 (and maybe B787) will only be until next year so it will be quite some time before they are able to fly more aircraft on their long-haul network which is currently not exactly extensive.

UA on the other hand also seems to not have too many spare aircraft to operate this route so it'll be interesting to see if this route is operated again, and if so, by whom! My personal gut instinct though tells me that it will be an Asian destination rather than Chicago from the OS side. We'll see...



Not drinking, also isn't a solution!
User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4949 times:

If OS and UA do decide to codeshare on ORD-VIE, then I hope OS operate the flight. The difference in quality of onboard services is remarkable. I'd rather fly OS in C than UA in F.

User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4921 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 6):
If OS and UA do decide to codeshare on ORD-VIE, then I hope OS operate the flight. The difference in quality of onboard services is remarkable. I'd rather fly OS in C than UA in F.

Zvedza... and this is coming from YOU??? Big grin  innocent 



Not drinking, also isn't a solution!
User currently offlineOrdusa From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4899 times:

I've run into many passengers going to VIE that would love the non-stop again. As for now they are keeping SK, LO, LH and even AC busy with connections. I've noticed that many stick with the Star carriers although I've seen a few on BA as well as LX.
Why did OS pull out of ORD? Light pax loads?



Just watching the birds go by is good enough for me.
User currently offlineVORFMD From Austria, joined Feb 2005, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4880 times:

Well, I did some research and OS would have one B763 unemployed in their
winter timetable.If i consider that they need only 5 out of 6 B763 in winter
it could be possible that OS is operating that Route.

But then again they wouldn`t be able to expand their Asian network next year or reinstall their KIX ops as mentioned by Austrians CEO.

Weird thing, i guess. i don´t get that puzzle together.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4869 times:

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 7):

Zvedza... and this is coming from YOU???

What is that supposed to mean?  Confused


User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4847 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 10):
What is that supposed to mean?

Weren't you completely anti? Or am I mixing you up with somebody else? Sorry if I did  Wink



Not drinking, also isn't a solution!
User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4793 times:

What A/C would OS ever fly to Chengdu? Why would they want to fly there? Forgive my ignorance...

san747



Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineAC787 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 337 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4764 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 6):
If OS and UA do decide to codeshare on ORD-VIE, then I hope OS operate the flight. The difference in quality of onboard services is remarkable. I'd rather fly OS in C than UA in F.

Is Austrians service really that good? I had heard it was getting worse, I really don't know what to expect when I fly with them this summer, I'm hoping Vienna is a nice airport.


User currently offlineVORFMD From Austria, joined Feb 2005, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4760 times:

I don´t think that OS is going to Chendgu. Hong Kong or Guangzhou is
more one of the Destinations i can think of. And even then where the hell
would they take the necessary longhoul Aircaft ?


User currently offlineVORFMD From Austria, joined Feb 2005, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4731 times:

@AC787

It´s difficult to give you a neutral opinion from my side as Vienna is my Home
Aiport. Some things are good some are bad. But one thing is for sure, it´s too
small. They are working on it, but too late as it is really cramped in peak times ( and there are 4 every day, i.e. 8.00am - 10.00am, 12.00 - 1.30pm, 4pm - 6 pm., 7pm - 8pm)

VIE´s layout is calculated for 15 Mio PAX, but this year they estimate more than 16 Mio PAX, not to mention years 2006/2007 and 2008 until the new Skylink will be opened.To make a long Story short -> it will be hell until 2008 !

Regarding OS, i think everyone should have his own opinion about the Product they offer. Some like it, some don´t.


User currently offlineAlexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4620 times:

I guess my question would be.............. with WHAT A/C???


You mad Bro???
User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4572 times:

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 11):
Weren't you completely anti?

I don't think I've ever posted anything here anti-OS. I can say that I like SQ better than OS, but I like OS better than LH and LH better than UA.  Smile


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4555 times:

Quoting AC787 (Reply 13):

Is Austrians service really that good? I had heard it was getting worse, I really don't know what to expect when I fly with them this summer, I'm hoping Vienna is a nice airport.

Is OS's service really that good? Really how good? Better than UA's service? In my opinion, much better. As good as SQ, CX, NH, etc? In my opinion, not even close. It's all relative and subjective.


User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 533 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4425 times:

It's kinda sad really. ORD has lost alot of foreign airlines in recent years- Aeroflot, Singapore Airlines, Qantas, ANA, Kuwait Airways, Austrian, etc... What's the problem w/ airlines at ORD?

User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4421 times:

Who knows. I see a huge Eastern Europe > Chicago market, I think that Jat could run a 767 to ORD non-stop and fill it up (No place outside of Belgrade has more serbian people than Chicago, and yet there are ~ 200 seats to Zurich daily on Jat and Montenegro Airlines) and maybe even continue to Toronto, if they didn't want to split the flight.
AeroSvit could take the Ukrainian niche with 2 or 3 weekly ex-KBP 767s.
I could see Transaero running DME-ORD with 767s.



What now?
User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5147 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4393 times:

UA has 757's, why can't they do what CO does? Start European routes whit 757's. They will have to be re-configured, but that's still cheaper then getting additional planes. Btw, Can a winglet 757 do US-VIE?

KL911


User currently offlineAC787 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 337 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4389 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 21):
Can a winglet 757 do US-VIE?

Maybe from EWR, but itd be pushing it I think. EWR-ZRH is doable with winglets but I think VIE might be to far. One things for sure though, ORD-VIE couldnt be done with a 75 with winglets.


User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5147 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4393 times:

Quoting AC787 (Reply 22):
Maybe from EWR, but itd be pushing it I think. EWR-ZRH is doable with winglets but I think VIE might be to far. One things for sure though, ORD-VIE couldnt be done with a 75 with winglets.

Does UA operate the 767 domestic? If they do, why can't they convert more domestic planes into International config? That's where the big bucks are..

Co seem to find planes all the time for international service within their own fleet....


KL911


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32895 posts, RR: 71
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4331 times:

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 20):
Who knows. I see a huge Eastern Europe > Chicago market, I think that Jat could run a 767 to ORD non-stop and fill it up

JAT was planning to launch service to O'Hare this summer. They got DOT approval, but they were not able to find a wet-lease carrier on time that would operate the flight for them.



a.
User currently offlineBOAC911 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4161 times:
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I remember OS started flying to ORD as a codshare with SK, original routing was VIE-CPH-ORD with an A310 back in 1991. Then the airlines stopped the joint-venture and SK resumed flights to ORD with its own metal. Apart from the brief intteruption, SAS has served O'Hare since 1964.

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