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Any Pan Am Remnants At T3 At JFK?  
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6446 times:

Last summer I walked around T3 and found an old bathroom that still had Pan Am colors....Does anybody know of other areas of T3 that still have Pan Am artifacts?

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User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2728 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6347 times:

Are any domestic flights scheduled out of T3, or is it an exclusive international operation?

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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4914 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6342 times:
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Yes, there is no distinction..you get domestics out of T3 and internationals out of T2 as well. Song however is exclusively out of T2. Some mainline DL flights even use the Song gates in T2 during peak periods.

User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6305 times:

Last fall I was at JFK, and called the hotel to tell them I needed a pick-up at the Pan Am Worldport. She had no idea what I was talking about. VERY sad.


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User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6212 times:

Quoting FI642 (Reply 3):
Last fall I was at JFK, and called the hotel to tell them I needed a pick-up at the Pan Am Worldport. She had no idea what I was talking about. VERY sad.

That was 14 years ago. I doubt a front desk clerk has been working at the hotel you stayed at beyond 14 years. It still is the Worldport just without the Pan Am distinction. Despite the loss of Pan Am it is still fun to be in the terminal and see flights to TXL, CDG, FRA, VCE all side by side.

Quoting Panamair (Reply 2):
Song however is exclusively out of T2. Some mainline DL flights even use the Song gates in T2 during peak periods.

Song has outgrown their gates at JFK during the 5pm push. They do a good job of keeping the Song birds between gates 20-26 though. I don't ever expect to see Song over at T3 on a scheduled basis.

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
Last summer I walked around T3 and found an old bathroom that still had Pan Am colors....Does anybody know of other areas of T3 that still have Pan Am artifacts?

Nothing beyond the design of T3. DL is doing a good job renovating the lobby/rotunda area.

Quoting Panamair (Reply 2):
Some mainline DL flights even use the Song gates in T2 during peak periods.

Just yesterday we had VCE at 24 and today MAD will be there. The only difference is the color of the podium. You will also see DCI at 19 now using the COEx gate.



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6121 times:

So some Delta international flights leave from T2?

User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6093 times:

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 4):
Despite the loss of Pan Am it is still fun to be in the terminal and see flights to TXL, CDG, FRA, VCE all side by side.

Oh yes... it's a blast. With the low ceilings leaking, old Delta signage, the air conditioning not working.... gates 1-9 really bring back memories of the good old days...

 Yeah sure



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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6074 times:

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 4):
DL is doing a good job renovating the lobby/rotunda area.

Yes.. they're doing such a good job, that it's now only for BusinessElite/First Class customers. It's a good strategy/stop-gap measure... spend a few bucks, make everyone else figure out how to dodge the cars and walk to the hideous economy check in, and inconvenience the high-fare paying folks the least.



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User currently offlineSspontak From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 476 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6049 times:

It is nice to see some people that still like Delta's T2 & T3. I admit that it certainly needs a good cleaning. The carpets are such a mess. Stains all over the place and an overall dingy feel. Hopefully does the much needed maintenance soon. But overall, both terminals still have that nostalgic feel to them.

For me, my very first flight was from Delta's T2 from the now gate # 24 way back in February 1977 during Spring Break with my family. My flight was from JFK to Miami aboard a DL 727-200. I still remember the steak and eggs and free champagne. I wasn't old enough for the champagne. Those sure were the days.

I was on a Song flight last Friday night from T2 going from JFK to TPA. Walking around T2 sure brought back memories. The terminal acutally has not changed much. The same pale blue exterior and open terminal inside. I hope it stays around a while. But DL sure needs to do something with the after 5:00pm crowds. It is way too crowded.

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User currently offlineDallas74 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6007 times:

What I miss about the Worldport was the roof top parking lot. You could sit there on a summer evening feeling the cool breeze off Jamaica Bay while watching planes take off without anyone bothering you! There was no fence to block your view (put up 10 years ago) or security guard chasing you away (as they do now).

As for the general condition of the terminals someone should tell Delta the place is not a museum and in need of an upgrade. It is entertaining seeing how the terminal was built to handle Multiple door usage of a 747.

It was a special place in its day!

T2 is in real need of an overhaul. That is one old building and its facilities leave a lot to be desired.


User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5945 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 5):
So some Delta international flights leave from T2?

Yes it is probably 50/50 on International departures from T2 and T3.



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4914 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5849 times:
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Quoting TWFirst (Reply 7):
that it's now only for BusinessElite/First Class customers

Actually, that's no longer the case. The front lobby/rotunda area which was previously used only for premium pax. check in now has a separate section for the "hoi polloi". This started with the advent of the AirTrain because that level is where the passengers coming off the AirTrain first enter the building. So they had to create a check-in area for those passengers instead of making them go down to arrivals and dodge traffic, etc.
The DL self-check-in kiosks are also available in that lobby area.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5839 times:

What I miss about the Worldport was the roof top parking lot. You could sit there on a summer evening feeling the cool breeze off Jamaica Bay while watching planes take off without anyone bothering you! There was no fence to block your view (put up 10 years ago) or security guard chasing you away (as they do now).

Indeed, it used to be a joy. They should reopen it...I don't see how that is a major security risk, other than being on top of the terminal???

Yes it is probably 50/50 on International departures from T2 and T3.

But all international checkin is in T3 right?

Any idea when TSA might allow non-pax back into the general terminal area?


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4914 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5828 times:
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Quoting RJpieces (Reply 12):
But all international checkin is in T3 right?

Actually, all Delta mainline and DCI (domestic and international) checkin is in T3. Song is in T2.


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5797 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 11):
Actually, that's no longer the case. The front lobby/rotunda area which was previously used only for premium pax. check in now has a separate section for the "hoi polloi". This started with the advent of the AirTrain because that level is where the passengers coming off the AirTrain first enter the building. So they had to create a check-in area for those passengers instead of making them go down to arrivals and dodge traffic, etc.
The DL self-check-in kiosks are also available in that lobby area.

Then that JUST started... like last week... because I was there two weeks ago and that was NOT the case.



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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6455 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5762 times:

Quoting Dallas74 (Reply 9):
What I miss about the Worldport was the roof top parking lot. You could sit there on a summer evening feeling the cool breeze off Jamaica Bay while watching planes take off without anyone bothering you! There was no fence to block your view (put up 10 years ago) or security guard chasing you away (as they do now).

Agreed, that was a blast!!!! October 17, 1992, my first visit to JFK. I spent a good 5 hours on that rooftop.

Quoting Dallas74 (Reply 9):
As for the general condition of the terminals someone should tell Delta the place is not a museum and in need of an upgrade. It is entertaining seeing how the terminal was built to handle Multiple door usage of a 747.

I'm glad you brought this up. Recently there was a SAA A340-300 I believe that had a stow away crushed in the whhel well. Well they showed an overview of the plane at the gate...and I saw the dual jetways, immediately indicating to me that they were at T3. That is certainly a remnant of Pan Am! I wonder why DL never removed the extra jetway. Do any 747 use T3 nowadays?



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5716 times:

How many gates at T3 have dual jetways?

User currently offlineJFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3508 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5680 times:

Love T3!!!

May they never tear it down!!

PJ


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6572 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5665 times:

Quoting DeltaMIA (Reply 4):
Despite the loss of Pan Am it is still fun to be in the terminal and see flights to TXL, CDG, FRA, VCE all side by side.

Come on, no matter how great it might be seeing DL birds lined up at T3, it will NEVER, EVER come close to seeing PA jumbos lined up there.


User currently offlineFLAIRPORT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5651 times:

I walked through T3 once...never flew out of it...
I remember it was the start of biz elite and there were flights to LAX, SFO, and PDX departing from the "new business elite area"...also remember seeing Aeroflot amoung other airlines and the AF concorde!


User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5558 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 15):
Do any 747 use T3 nowadays?

Yes. China Airlines, Royal Jordanian, Saudi Arabian, South African Airways. While most of these have gone to B777 or A340 the 747 still finds it way to JFK.



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User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5208 times:

I have to sadly agree. The Terminal 3 terminal is shameful compared to Terminal 4 or Terminal 6. Sadly, all non-stop flights from JFK-SVO leave T3 (Delta and Aeroflot)
-Mr. X



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User currently offlineWDBRR From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 611 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5188 times:

I was in T2 a few months ago, the place is a time warp and
a little tacky (quarter arcade games in the gate area?), I am
sure AA does not have arcade games in the gate area in DFW.
What airline built T2? was it always Delta? the design is just
one big room with partitions sectioning off the gates from
ticket counters....it must have been cheap to build.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5155 times:

I am
sure AA does not have arcade games in the gate area in DFW.


Nope....But they do at T9 at JFK.


User currently offlineClipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 679 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5099 times:

T2 was originally used by NW, DL and NE. When DL took over NE it dropped to just 2 carriers. I started my career in 1964 at was is now T-3. At that time it was called the UTB for Unit Terminal Building. All of our international flights arriived at the IAB and were towed over to the UTB for their departures. The lone exception was flight 119 from THR/BEY/IST/FCO and ORY which continued onto BWI. That flight received progressive clearance and departed from the IAB. The chief engineer for the contracting firm that built the Worldport was my next door neighbor so I had some really good insites as to how it was constructed. The day I will never forget was when EA 66 MSY/JFK crashed on approach to 22L. I had just pulled into my rooftop parking place facing directly East and saw the entire crash from first contact with ILS tower to sliding down the runway and bursting into flames as it went along. The CFR trucks were spraying foam as the went past the IAB even though there was no chance of getting close enough to the aircraft.

Speaking of the airbridges at T-3, the first 3 gates on the East side of the terminal actually had 3 airbrdges, not just 2. There were bridges for L1 and L2 and another for R2. I don't ever remember using the lounge for the right side and eventually the bridges were removed as they intefered with the catering trucks.

I did 21 years at that terminal before transferring to MIA in 1985. Even now I still have quite a few close friends still working there, only it's for DL instead of PA. In fact one of my last bosses at PA is now the Deputy Director for PONYA at JFK. One of these days my wife and I will get a chance to revisit our old haunts although we'll probably get lost trying to find our way around. There's a lot of history in that old terminal and I was proud to be a part of it.

Rgds,
Ed



Ed
25 Post contains links and images 727LOVER : Whoaa!!! You saw that?????!!!! That's the first crash that I can remember. When they released the CVR tapes, it was eery. The news reporter would say
26 Post contains links and images AlitaliaMD11 : Well if you count the building! View Large View MediumPhoto © Matthew Lee - Contrails Aviation Photography
27 Clipper002 : The original UTB had I believe 8 gates. There were 3 on each side and 2 at the rear of the terminal. The runway for EA 66 was 22R, not 22L as I errono
28 727LOVER : Hmm...next time I'm on Rockaway Blvd, I want to be sure. I've read 22L. Isn't that the LANDING runway? Also, I've read that looters got to the plane
29 JFKviaPHX : Back to the topic...There are a few Pan Am remnants throughout the employee sections of the terminal. The old lockers with Pan Am on them still linger
30 Mats : There used to be a public bathroom in the rotunda with rather elaborate furnishings. I think it was part of the Clipper Club at one time, but it's now
31 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : I was there 1 months ago and I noticed they weren't letting cars up there (I haven't been there since like '95 and I never really read up about it. T
32 Clipper002 : 727LOVER, You are correct in that 22L is usually used for landings only, however during the mid-afternoon at JFK there are so few departures, it is no
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