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How Does World Airways Get Around Bermuda II  
User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3516 times:


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As you guys can see in the photo, this is a World Airways MD-11 landing in LHR. With the Bermuda II accord restricting only UAL and AA as the American carriers operating into LHR, how does World get around this?
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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3496 times:

I believe they are doing sub service for a carrier that has LHR routes.


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User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2194 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3447 times:

I believe Bermuda II only covers scheduled passenger services.

User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2603 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3420 times:
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It was operating a sub-charter for BWIA, so therefore World were using BWIA route licenses and runway slots.

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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

Quoting AKelley728 (Reply 2):
I believe Bermuda II only covers scheduled passenger services.

Charters have to use LGW, it applies to all carriers.



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User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3275 times:

Crosswind is correct, World was doing ACMI for BWIA.


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User currently offlineJamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3205 times:

Charter airlines that operate wet-leases (aircraft and crew) for scheduled carriers with operating slots at slot-restricted airports do so as the schedule airline's flight number. Years ago, when I worked for ATA, I worked several wet-lease trips for Ghana Airways on ATA L-1011 aircraft into LHR from Accra.

The same for World; World Airways aircraft, BWIA flight number.



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User currently offlineIslipWN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3183 times:

i never knew about that bermuda II thing. Why do they only let aa and ua into lhr?

User currently offlineJamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3106 times:

In answer to your question IslipWN, the U.S.-U.K. Bilateral Air Treaty provides for only two U.S.-based airlines and two U.K.-based airlines to operate routes between the U.S. and London Heathrow Airport.

United purchased Pan Am's LHR route authority in 1991. American, as a competitive response to the UA/Pan Am agreement, purchased TWA's LHR routes shortly thereafter (also in 1991).

Currently, only British Airways, Virgin Atlantic, American, and United are permitted to operate routes from LHR to the U.S. Over the past several years, talks between the U.S. and U.K. governments to expand access at LHR, have proved unsuccessful. Hence, today, only AA and UA are allowed to operate from the U.S. to LHR.



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